demarsee@icarus.cns.syr.edu (Darryl E. Marsee) (02/02/90)
>My point of view is that not everyone wants/can afford these >commercial systems. It would be nice if /usr/ucb/mail was rehosted >to the Macintosh (with a mac like interface) and sendmail so that >real RULES could be used. I know this may be easier said than done, >but I thought I would bring it up. I'd like to put my vote in for Stanford's MacMH program, which uses a Unix system as a revised POP server. We use it campus-wide here, and it works great. Advantages: Matching client software also available for PC-type machines Mail connectivity is the same as that of the Unix host Mail can be read on the Unix host if the Mac is unavailable Mail arrives at POP server whether your Mac is up or not Doesn't require modifications to existing mail systems One multi-launchable copy on a server handles entire site Each user stores and creates his/her mail on own local disk Users can retrieve/read/create/reply to their mail from any public Mac throughout the campus Great price (around $100 site license for universities) Disadvantages: Requires Unix host, user account on same, and IP network Depends upon Unix host for mail delivery/retrieval Mac-to-Mac mail isn't direct; goes through Unix host Requires Macs to connect to IP network (either directly or through a Kinetics/Gatorbox gateway) We have found the disadvantages to be a minimal problem, since we already had an IP network, Unix hosts, and K-box-equipped LocalTalk networks in place. Users like MacMH, since is doesn't require them to learn a "mainframeish" mail system to use "mainframeish" mail; even through a Unix account is required to access the POP server, the users never need sign on to it. Disclaimer: I have no connections with Stanford University, other than being a very satisfied customer. Regards, Darryl E. Marsee <demarsee@icarus.cns.syr.edu> Postmaster/Network Systems Programmer Syracuse University
urlichs@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (02/07/90)
comp.protocols.appletalk; demarsee@GAMERA.CNS.SYR.EDU (Darryl E. Marsee): < Matthias Urlichs: < >Major disadvantage: < >MacIP and MacMH don't yet work with Apple's MacTCP. < < Not true. I've been using version 4.0, which works with MacTCP, < since last September. You might want to contact them again. < Their address is macip@jessica.stanford.edu. < Grumble... (Yes I do have a mail here stating "as soon as it's ready, we'll tell you all about it". :-( ) < As far as the version of MacMH, see above. While there is no date < header created by MacMH, it IS added by sendmail, so it's no problem < if you use sendmail instead of MMDF. Also, since (1) MacMH supplies < the headers needed to get the mail through, and (2) I have yet to < have a user complain to me that he/she can't add headers, not having < the ability to add them hasn't been much of a problem here. As for < "a bunch of other problems", haven't seen them myself, nor heard of < them from our users. < Well, around here nobody is going to use sendmail if it can possibly be avoided. And sometimes one really needs stuff like Reply-To: or Sender:. Having a Date: header is somewhat essential -- I guess we'll have to convince MMDF to add it, in case it's missing. I really hoped the MacIP people would use that suggestion I mailed them half a year ago. :-( < < As far as I'm concerned, there is no "best" or "worst"; < use whatever meets the needs for your particular situation; < I just wanted to point out another available option. Couldn't agree more. -- Matthias Urlichs
Randy Moore <randy@trident.arc.nasa.gov> (02/07/90)
SUBJECT: The MacPOP and PC POP Electronic Mail Packages
The MacPOP Electronic Mail Package.
===================================
The MacPOP Electronic Mail Package allows a user to read and send mail
from the Unix account without ever leaving the comfort of their
Macintosh environment. The package consists of the MacPOP application,
PopAlert (an INIT/CDEV that throws up a notification anytime you receive
new mail), and Launch MacPOP DA (this lets you place MacPOP anywhere on
your hard drive and launch it from the apple menu).
In addition to the abilities to send and receive mail messages, the
application provides:
- a user configurable address book
- the ability to send and receive text, BinHex, and UUEncode
enclosures along with your message
- the ability to save messages so that your favorite word
processor will be opened when you launch the message from the
Finder
The MacPOP Mail Package was developed at NASA Ames Research Center and
is available free of charge to all individuals/ organizations desiring
to use it. However, It may not be sold or bundled with any commercial
product.
Please Note: MacPOP also uses MacTCP, a commercial product distributed
by Apple Computer. This must be acquired separately from Apple.
The PC POP Electronic Mail Package.
===================================
PC POP is an IBM (or compatible) personal computer electronic mail
client program that allows its users to send and receive electronic mail
to and from their UNIX account(s) without leaving the MS-DOS
environment.
Currently version 2.1 of PC POP operates using the Excelan ethernet
board. A version 2.1 NCSA supporting 3Com, Western Digital, Slip8250,
MICOM-Interln, IBMToken and NOVELLE boards will be released in a month
or two. Earlier versions exist for the 3Com board (3C501) and the TOPS
flashcards.
The features and functionality of PC POP came from the Berkeley Mailer,
version 5.2. Some PC POP features are:
- user interface modeled after the DECSYSTEM-2060's TOPS-20
- Mail address aliasing.
- Inclusion of ASCII files.
- Inclusion and Extraction of UUENCODE/UUDECODE, BINHEX/HEXBIN,
TEXT enclosures.
- Invoking a PC editor/word processor on the body of a new
message.
- Message Alert to inform the user when new mail has arrived.
- The ability to finger (look up) other users.
- The ability to fork (sort of) other MS-DOS programs in PC POP.
AVAILABILITY
==============
The MacPOP and PC POP client program and the POP server are available
free of change from NASA. However, you may *NOT* sell or reuse any part
of the package for commercial purposes. To acquire the POP Electronic
Mail Package, you must submit a written request to:
Dr. Dale R Lumb
Division Chief Code ED
NASA Ames Research Center
Mail Stop 233-17
Moffett Field, CA 94035
with a carbon copy to:
John Yin
Group Leader
NASA Ames Research Center
Mail Stop 233-18
Moffett Field, CA 94035
Technical Information:
=============================
MacPOP and PC POP are implemented using an enhanced POP2 (Post Office)
Protocol (RFC 937) and the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (RFC 922). The
POP server can be compiled and installed on Ultrix, 4.3BSD, SunOS 4.0.3
and Apple's A/UX. The client/server command protocol is carried out
using TCP/IP.
Sources for the enhanced server are also available upon request.
========================================================================
Randy Moore & Bill Schweickert
Internet: binky@trident.arc.nasa.gov
Sterling Federal Systems
Data Systems Development Group
NASA Ames Research Center
Mail Stop 233-18
Moffett Field, CA 94035
========================================================================Jack Seinfeld <jack%tp6@rand.org> (02/07/90)
please send more info. thanks. jack@rand.org -- Your message was: (from "trident.arc.nasa.gov!randy@ames.arc.nasa.gov") We have just finished a package that talks to Unix machines using the POP protocol for sending/receiving E-mail. The Package was developed for NASA and is free to anyone, providing no portion of the package is resold. If you would like more information send me E-Mail. R- ===================================================================== Randy Moore Sterling Software Internet: randy@trident.arc.nasa.gov ------------------
Randy Moore <randy@trident.arc.nasa.gov> (02/08/90)
SUBJECT: The MacPOP and PC POP Electronic Mail Packages The MacPOP Electronic Mail Package. =================================== The MacPOP Electronic Mail Package allows a user to read and send mail from the Unix account without ever leaving the comfort of their Macintosh environment. The package consists of the MacPOP application, PopAlert (an INIT/CDEV that throws up a notification anytime you receive new mail), and Launch MacPOP DA (this lets you place MacPOP anywhere on your hard drive and launch it from the apple menu). In addition to the abilities to send and receive mail messages, the application provides: - a user configurable address book - the ability to send and receive text, BinHex, and UUEncode enclosures along with your message - the ability to save messages so that your favorite word processor will be opened when you launch the message from the Finder The MacPOP Mail Package was developed at NASA Ames Research Center and is available free of charge to all individuals/ organizations desiring to use it. However, It may not be sold or bundled with any commercial product. Please Note: MacPOP also uses MacTCP, a commercial product distributed by Apple Computer. This must be acquired separately from Apple. The PC POP Electronic Mail Package. =================================== PC POP is an IBM (or compatible) personal computer electronic mail client program that allows its users to send and receive electronic mail to and from their UNIX account(s) without leaving the MS-DOS environment. Currently version 2.1 of PC POP operates using the Excelan ethernet board. A version 2.1 NCSA supporting 3Com, Western Digital, Slip8250, MICOM-Interln, IBMToken and NOVELLE boards will be released in a month or two. Earlier versions exist for the 3Com board (3C501) and the TOPS flashcards. The features and functionality of PC POP came from the Berkeley Mailer, version 5.2. Some PC POP features are: - user interface modeled after the DECSYSTEM-2060's TOPS-20 - Mail address aliasing. - Inclusion of ASCII files. - Inclusion and Extraction of UUENCODE/UUDECODE, BINHEX/HEXBIN, TEXT enclosures. - Invoking a PC editor/word processor on the body of a new message. - Message Alert to inform the user when new mail has arrived. - The ability to finger (look up) other users. - The ability to fork (sort of) other MS-DOS programs in PC POP. AVAILABILITY ============== The MacPOP and PC POP client program and the POP server are available free of change from NASA. However, you may *NOT* sell or reuse any part of the package for commercial purposes. To acquire the POP Electronic Mail Package, you must submit a written request to: Dr. Dale R Lumb Division Chief Code ED NASA Ames Research Center Mail Stop 233-17 Moffett Field, CA 94035 with a carbon copy to: John Yin Group Leader NASA Ames Research Center Mail Stop 233-18 Moffett Field, CA 94035 Technical Information: ============================= MacPOP and PC POP are implemented using an enhanced POP2 (Post Office) Protocol (RFC 937) and the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (RFC 922). The POP server can be compiled and installed on Ultrix, 4.3BSD, SunOS 4.0.3 and Apple's A/UX. The client/server command protocol is carried out using TCP/IP. Sources for the enhanced server are also available upon request. ======================================================================== Randy Moore & Bill Schweickert Internet: binky@trident.arc.nasa.gov Sterling Federal Systems Data Systems Development Group NASA Ames Research Center Mail Stop 233-18 Moffett Field, CA 94035 ========================================================================
maas@jessica.stanford.edu (02/08/90)
>comp.protocols.appletalk; demarsee@GAMERA.CNS.SYR.EDU (Darryl E. Marsee): >< Matthias Urlichs: >< >Major disadvantage: >< >MacIP and MacMH don't yet work with Apple's MacTCP. >< >< Not true. I've been using version 4.0, which works with MacTCP, >< since last September. You might want to contact them again. >< Their address is macip@jessica.stanford.edu. >< >Grumble... >(Yes I do have a mail here stating "as soon as it's ready, we'll tell you >all about it". :-( ) It is still MacMH4.0b3. Expected to release it in March. Andy
kovar%popvax@harvard.harvard.edu (02/08/90)
> I'd like to put my vote in for Stanford's MacMH program, which > uses a Unix system as a revised POP server. We use it campus-wide > here, and it works great. > Advantages: .... > Disadvantages: .... One major disadvantage with any of Stanfords Macintosh software is that they will license it only to degree granting institutions. I'm not quite sure what the rational is behind this, but it certainly is a pain. ( Despite my email address, I'm not with Harvard. ) -David Kovar