micke@slaka.sirius.se (Mikael Karlsson) (02/05/90)
What are the differences between an american and a european Amiga?
If I buy an Amiga in the US, what changes do I have to make to get
it to work in Europe? The power supply, ok. Anything else? The new
Agnus handles PAL as well as NTSC. Great, but how does it know the
difference? Automagically? A jumper?
Ok, is that it?
Thanks in advance
--
Mikael Karlsson, Lovsattersvagen 10, S-585 98 LINKOPING, SWEDEN
micke@slaka.UUCP, micke@slaka.sirius.se
{mcvax,munnari,seismo}!sunic!liuida!slaka!mickedaveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) (02/14/90)
In article <15465.AA15465@slaka.sirius.se> micke@slaka.sirius.se (Mikael Karlsson) writes: >What are the differences between an american and a european Amiga? >If I buy an Amiga in the US, what changes do I have to make to get >it to work in Europe? The power supply, ok. At least some of the A2000 power supplies can be internally jumpered for 110/120 vs. 220/240. >Anything else? The new Agnus handles PAL as well as NTSC. Great, but >how does it know the difference? Automagically? A jumper? Other than the power supply, you need to take care of Agnus, like you surmised. For any ECS Agnus, you need only worry about its startup configuration, which is set via jumper. On the A2000, this jumper is a solder-short jumper called J102; closed for NTSC, open for PAL. Once 1.4 comes along, you could actually change in software for all intents and most purposes. If you're involved in video work, you'll need to change the system crystal as well. In PAL machines the main crystal is 28.357MHz crystal, on NTSC machine this is a 28.636MHz crystal. These work into the color clocks, so a crystal change is required for video work, but nothing else. >Mikael Karlsson, Lovsattersvagen 10, S-585 98 LINKOPING, SWEDEN -- Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Systems Engineering) "The Crew That Never Rests" {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy Too much of everything is just enough
phupp@warwick.ac.uk (S Millington) (02/19/90)
>In article <15465.AA15465@slaka.sirius.se> micke@slaka.sirius.se (Mikael Karlsson) writes: >>What are the differences between an american and a european Amiga? >>If I buy an Amiga in the US, what changes do I have to make to get >>it to work in Europe? The power supply, ok. Also, I am told, some software from the US refuses to work on european amigas and visa-versa. What do these packages detect? Stuart Millington. phupp@poppy.
lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (02/20/90)
In <5160@wehi.dn.mu.oz>, BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz writes: > I must say it is quite irritating not to be able to use the bottom quarter of > the screen. Must be terrible. Almost as terrible as having gadgets or text or parts of a picture somewhere in video limbo, just below the bottom of a screen. It isn't just programmers from the US who ignore the rest of the world. -larry -- Gallium Arsenide is the technology of the future; always has been, always will be. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | // Larry Phillips | | \X/ lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca -or- uunet!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | | COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 -or- 76703.4322@compuserve.com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
sparks@corpane.UUCP (John Sparks) (02/21/90)
phupp@warwick.ac.uk (S Millington) writes: >>In article <15465.AA15465@slaka.sirius.se> micke@slaka.sirius.se (Mikael Karlsson) writes: >>>What are the differences between an american and a european Amiga? >>>If I buy an Amiga in the US, what changes do I have to make to get >>>it to work in Europe? The power supply, ok. That should be about it. Make sure you change the power supply on the monitor also. And any other peripherals you will be using, printers, modems. > Also, I am told, some software from the US refuses to work on european >amigas and visa-versa. What do these packages detect? Not so. The only real difference besides the voltage is the TV standard over in Europe. Here we have NTSC, they have PAL. PAL has a few more rows of graphics then the NTSC version does. So some Europeon software may extend below the bottom of your NTSC screen and be chopped off. NTSC software on a Europeon machine just looks a bit scrunched horizontally. But with the new Agnus chip, switching between NTSC and PAL is just a jumper away. Or maybe even in the software? Didn't Dave Haynie say something about switching PAL/NTSC in software when the new chipset and 1.4 comes out? -- John Sparks | D.I.S.K. 24hrs 1200bps. Accessable via Starlink (Louisville KY) sparks@corpane.UUCP <><><><><><><><><><><> D.I.S.K. ph:502/968-5401 thru -5406 Cheerio-Magnetics: The tendency of the last few cheerios in a bowl of milk to cling together for survival.
BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz (02/21/90)
In article <381@poppy.warwick.ac.uk>, phupp@warwick.ac.uk (S Millington) writes: >>In article <15465.AA15465@slaka.sirius.se> micke@slaka.sirius.se (Mikael Karlsson) writes: >>>What are the differences between an american and a european Amiga? >>>If I buy an Amiga in the US, what changes do I have to make to get >>>it to work in Europe? The power supply, ok. > > Also, I am told, some software from the US refuses to work on european > amigas and visa-versa. What do these packages detect? > The only software from US which doesn't "work" here is rthe software written by lazy narrow minded shits who open every screen with a height of 200 scan lines. It is exceptionally easy to check for PAL/NTSC type of machine, or even, as is becoming more common, to open a screen the same size as workbench. If noone objects, I will post example code on how to do this sort of stuff. I must say it is quite irritating not to be able to use the bottom quarter of the screen. Regards Alan > Stuart Millington. > phupp@poppy.
davewt@NCoast.ORG (David Wright) (02/21/90)
It's not OUR fault you can't use the bottom of the screen. And I would hardly call the opening of a screen to only 200 lines lazy. You have to consider, that at least for custom bit-mapped displays, there is NO WAY to make the screen any bigger than the artwork you want to put on it. If I opened a screen any larger, and just left it as useless space, what good would it do you? And in your own words, it's just annoying. It's a lot better than what the "lazy, narrow-minded" programmers do from EUROPE. They assume you have a PAL machine, and there software USES the bottom of the display. There is no way to use any of the programs on a NTSC machine, period. That's a lot worse than just "annoying". And what's a lot worse than that, european programmers seem to have some strange love for logo's. And waste the top half of the screen, which is usable by both NTSC and PAL with the name of the program, (usually game), and put the important info, status displays, etc. on the very bottom of the display, where only PAL machines can see them. Take the beam out of your own eye man, before you start telling us about the dust speck in our eyes... Dave
BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz (02/22/90)
In article <1990Feb21.115439.6769@NCoast.ORG>, davewt@NCoast.ORG (David Wright) writes: > It's not OUR fault you can't use the bottom of the screen. And I > would hardly call the opening of a screen to only 200 lines lazy. You have > to consider, that at least for custom bit-mapped displays, there is NO WAY > to make the screen any bigger than the artwork you want to put on it. If > I opened a screen any larger, and just left it as useless space, what > good would it do you? And in your own words, it's just annoying. It's > a lot better than what the "lazy, narrow-minded" programmers do from > EUROPE. They assume you have a PAL machine, and there software USES the > bottom of the display. There is no way to use any of the programs on a > NTSC machine, period. That's a lot worse than just "annoying". And what's a > lot worse than that, european programmers seem to have some strange love for > logo's. And waste the top half of the screen, which is usable by both NTSC > and PAL with the name of the program, (usually game), and put the important > info, status displays, etc. on the very bottom of the display, where only > PAL machines can see them. > Take the beam out of your own eye man, before you start telling > us about the dust speck in our eyes... > This is great!! I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that :-) You see, had you checked my address, you might have noticed I'm AUSTRALIAN. Australian programmers always check for machine type and open a screen of the rigt size! Regards Alan > Dave
alex@bilver.UUCP (Alex Matulich) (02/23/90)
In article <381@poppy.warwick.ac.uk> phupp@warwick.ac.uk (S Millington) writes: >>>What are the differences between an american and a european Amiga? >>>If I buy an Amiga in the US, what changes do I have to make to get >>>it to work in Europe? The power supply, ok. > > Also, I am told, some software from the US refuses to work on european >amigas and visa-versa. What do these packages detect? Intercomputing (you sometimes see their ads in AmigaWorld) sells European Amigas modified for the US. The differences are that those Amigas can display both PAL and NTSC, and a jumper on the power supply needs to be moved to be compatible with 60 Hz 120 VAC. Maybe a swap of a chip or two also, but the changes that are needed are quite minimal. And before anybody asks, the FCC has granted Intercomputing approval to sell European Amigas in the US. No, I am not associated with them at all. -- /// Alex Matulich /// Unicorn Research Corp, 4621 N Landmark Dr, Orlando, FL 32817 \\\/// alex@bilver.UUCP ...uunet!tarpit!bilver!alex \XX/ From BitNet use: bilver!alex@uunet.uu.net
aiajms@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bellerophon) (02/26/90)
>> good would it do you? And in your own words, it's just annoying. It's >> a lot better than what the "lazy, narrow-minded" programmers do from >> EUROPE. They assume you have a PAL machine, and there software USES the >> bottom of the display. There is no way to use any of the programs on a >> NTSC machine, period. That's a lot worse than just "annoying". And what's a >> lot worse than that, european programmers seem to have some strange love for >> logo's. And waste the top half of the screen, which is usable by both NTSC >> and PAL with the name of the program, (usually game), and put the important >> info, status displays, etc. on the very bottom of the display, where only >> PAL machines can see them. Well first of all might I say, sit on your NTSC and twist sideways. The answer is obvious, ditch NTSC and go for PAL like normal people in the World and especially us Europeans. All you yanks out there write to your senator, congressman, ABC, NBC, Oprah Winfrey, Donahue, Roseanne, Bill Cosby, President Bush, tweetie pie and sylvester, bugs bunny, JR Ewing, Sylvester Stallone, the purple heart, ma's apple pie, Ollie North, Manuel Noriega (your ex-Drugs Enforcement Official), ex-President "look no hands but watch the string " Reagan, Macdonalds, Wall Street and that last bastion of Americanism - the CIA (Criminally Inept Americans). Besides we are the 1st world you're only the second and when we eventually get EC integration we'll be much bigger than you. >This is great!! I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that :-) You see, had you >checked my address, you might have noticed I'm AUSTRALIAN. Australian >programmers always check for machine type and open a screen of the rigt size! > >Regards Alan > OH YES!, I nearly forgot, Australians. The people who gave us "Home And Away", "Neighbours", "Richie Benout (Cricket Commentator), "Sons And Daughters", "The Flying Doctors" and "A Country Practice". Well just remember you used to be part of our empire and I think, judging by the crap you view on your television, moving to a 256 line PAL wouldnt make any difference to viewing even if they still broadcasted using NTSC. So standardise to PAL or we'll just have to send a task force down to correct your wrongs. Yours Flamingly -=Andy=-
JKT100@psuvm.psu.edu (JKT) (02/27/90)
In article <2472@castle.ed.ac.uk>, aiajms@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bellerophon) says: >Well first of all might I say, sit on your NTSC and twist sideways. The >answer is obvious, ditch NTSC and go for PAL like normal people in the >World and especially us Europeans. All you yanks out there write to your >senator, congressman, ABC, NBC, Oprah Winfrey, Donahue, Roseanne, Bill >Cosby, President Bush, tweetie pie and sylvester, bugs bunny, JR Ewing, >Sylvester Stallone, the purple heart, ma's apple pie, Ollie North, >Manuel Noriega (your ex-Drugs Enforcement Official), ex-President "look no >hands but watch the string " Reagan, Macdonalds, Wall Street and that >last bastion of Americanism - the CIA (Criminally Inept Americans). >Besides we are the 1st world you're only the second and when we >eventually get EC integration we'll be much bigger than you. Yes, yes, cut down the stupid Americans... WHO CREATED THE COMPUTER YOU ARE TYPING THE FLAME ON. If you really mean all of the above, feel free to prove it by tossing your Amiga out the window. Eagerly awaiting the crash on the sidewalk and the ensuing silence from your terminal, Kurt -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- || Kurt Tappe (814) 862-8630 || "This town needs an enema." || || 600 E. Pollock Rd., #5705 || - Joker, "Batman" || || State College, PA 16801 --------------------------------------|| || jkt100@psuvm.bitnet or jkt100@psuvm.psu.edu || || or jkt100%psuvm.bitnet@psuvax1 QLink: KurtTappe || ----------------------------------------------------------------------
rchampe@hubcap.clemson.edu (Richard Champeaux) (02/27/90)
>Well first of all might I say, sit on your NTSC and twist sideways. The >answer is obvious, ditch NTSC and go for PAL like normal people in the >World and especially us Europeans. All you yanks out there write to your >senator, congressman, ABC, NBC, Oprah Winfrey, Donahue, Roseanne, Bill >Cosby, President Bush, tweetie pie and sylvester, bugs bunny, JR Ewing, >Sylvester Stallone, the purple heart, ma's apple pie, Ollie North, >Manuel Noriega (your ex-Drugs Enforcement Official), ex-President "look no >hands but watch the string " Reagan, Macdonalds, Wall Street and that >last bastion of Americanism - the CIA (Criminally Inept Americans). >Besides we are the 1st world you're only the second and when we >eventually get EC integration we'll be much bigger than you. >OH YES!, I nearly forgot, Australians. The people who gave us "Home And >Away", "Neighbours", "Richie Benout (Cricket Commentator), "Sons And >Daughters", "The Flying Doctors" and "A Country Practice". Well just >remember you used to be part of our empire and I think, judging by the >crap you view on your television, moving to a 256 line PAL wouldnt make any >difference to viewing even if they still broadcasted using NTSC. So >standardise to PAL or we'll just have to send a task force down to >correct your wrongs. >Yours Flamingly >-=Andy=- That, folks, was a fine example of either that wonderfully droll, but usually bizarre English wit, or a pompous ass. By the way, I remember seeing one of those wonderfull shows that are the product of England, and I was very amused to notice that it was a rather laughable clone of "Three's Company". I would say that's a fine indication of what the English people look for in entertainment. Oh, and if you remember, the United States also used to be part of your empire. Isn't it nice that you are now part of ours? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rich Champeaux PLT: The plotter device for the Amiga! rchampe@hubcap.clemson.edu Ask for it at your neighborhood FTP site! "It's never too late to do nothing at all." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
xanthian@saturn.ADS.COM (Metafont Consultant Account) (02/27/90)
I have a great idea. Rather than merely toasting each other for not adopting the design of the AC power system from where it was invented, but instead choosing an incompatible standard, so that we can fight 120 volt versus 220 volt, and 60 Hertz versus 50 Hertz wars forever; rather than just flaming each other for not adopting TV standards from where the technology was invented, but instead choosing an incompatible standard, so that we can fight PAL versus NTSC wars until hell freezes over; let's all play Not Invented Here, and drag our feet all the way to the standards meetings a while longer, so we can adopt different and incompatible HDTV standards, upward compatible only with our own jingoistic existing TV broadcast industries, in formats completely worthless for assisting digital display and computing (no Powers of Two _here_, no sir, we don't believe in them), so that we can go on raving about how this stuff written by the other guy/gal that works for every Amiga computer available for testing within a thousand miles of the author won't work on _my_ Amiga computer, well into the twenty second century and beyond. Isn't this _fun_? Sheesh! Quit bellyaching and get involved. And if anyone wants to mention the only country in the world that has been officially metric for over a century and never implemented the standard, I have a flag here I want to wave a while to change the subject. ;-) -- xanthian@ads.com xanthian@well.sf.ca.us (Kent Paul Dolan) Again, my opinions, not the account furnishers'.
BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz (02/27/90)
In article <2472@castle.ed.ac.uk>, aiajms@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bellerophon) writes: >>> good would it do you? And in your own words, it's just annoying. It's >>> a lot better than what the "lazy, narrow-minded" programmers do from >>> EUROPE. They assume you have a PAL machine, and there software USES the >>> bottom of the display. There is no way to use any of the programs on a >>> NTSC machine, period. That's a lot worse than just "annoying". And what's a >>> lot worse than that, european programmers seem to have some strange love for >>> logo's. And waste the top half of the screen, which is usable by both NTSC >>> and PAL with the name of the program, (usually game), and put the important >>> info, status displays, etc. on the very bottom of the display, where only >>> PAL machines can see them. > > Well first of all might I say, sit on your NTSC and twist sideways. The > answer is obvious, ditch NTSC and go for PAL like normal people in the > World and especially us Europeans. All you yanks out there write to your > senator, congressman, ABC, NBC, Oprah Winfrey, Donahue, Roseanne, Bill > Cosby, President Bush, tweetie pie and sylvester, bugs bunny, JR Ewing, > Sylvester Stallone, the purple heart, ma's apple pie, Ollie North, > Manuel Noriega (your ex-Drugs Enforcement Official), ex-President "look no > hands but watch the string " Reagan, Macdonalds, Wall Street and that > last bastion of Americanism - the CIA (Criminally Inept Americans). > Besides we are the 1st world you're only the second and when we > eventually get EC integration we'll be much bigger than you. > >>This is great!! I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that :-) You see, had you >>checked my address, you might have noticed I'm AUSTRALIAN. Australian >>programmers always check for machine type and open a screen of the rigt size! >> >>Regards Alan >> > OH YES!, I nearly forgot, Australians. The people who gave us "Home And > Away", "Neighbours", "Richie Benout (Cricket Commentator), "Sons And > Daughters", "The Flying Doctors" and "A Country Practice". Well just > remember you used to be part of our empire and I think, judging by the > crap you view on your television, moving to a 256 line PAL wouldnt make any > difference to viewing even if they still broadcasted using NTSC. So > standardise to PAL or we'll just have to send a task force down to > correct your wrongs. > > > Yours Flamingly > > -=Andy=- Oh dear Andy, Andy, Andy. You don't think we WATCH that stuff, do you. I bet you even think we drink XXXX and Fosters. No No No. We wouldn't touch it. We EXPORT crap TV and shithouse beer to third world countries that just love to lap it all up. ps. We just sent the next Oxfam parcel. Hope the delay didn't cause too much suffering. Regards Alan. All further replies by email please, I'm just warming up!
peter@cbmvax.commodore.com (Peter Cherna) (02/28/90)
In article <8170@hubcap.clemson.edu> rchampe@hubcap.UUCP (Richard Champeaux) writes: > >> [flame deleted] > > >>Yours Flamingly > >>-=Andy=- > >That, folks, was a fine example of either that wonderfully droll, but usually >bizarre English wit, or a pompous ass. > >By the way, I remember seeing one of those wonderfull shows that are the >product of England, and I was very amused to notice that it was a rather >laughable clone of "Three's Company". I would say that's a fine indication >of what the English people look for in entertainment. Forgive me, but "Three's Company" was based on a British television show called "Man About the House", and that fact is noted in the credits of "Three's Company". So in fact you've got it the wrong way around. >Oh, and if you remember, the United States also used to be part of your empire. >Isn't it nice that you are now part of ours? > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Rich Champeaux PLT: The plotter device for the Amiga! >rchampe@hubcap.clemson.edu Ask for it at your neighborhood FTP site! > >"It's never too late to do nothing at all." >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Glad to be Canadian :-) Peter -- Peter Cherna, Software Engineer, Commodore-Amiga, Inc. {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!peter peter@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com My opinions do not necessarily represent the opinions of my employer.
Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu (02/28/90)
This newsgroup is world wide. It is for technical discussion, not ignorant xenophobic drivel. That applies to Americans, Australians, Europeans (both collectively and severally) and those of us who are none of the above. Aroha, michael
BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz (03/01/90)
In article <8170@hubcap.clemson.edu>, rchampe@hubcap.clemson.edu (Richard Champeaux) writes: >>Well first of all might I say, sit on your NTSC and twist sideways. The >>answer is obvious, ditch NTSC and go for PAL like normal people in the >>World and especially us Europeans. All you yanks out there write to your >>senator, congressman, ABC, NBC, Oprah Winfrey, Donahue, Roseanne, Bill >>Cosby, President Bush, tweetie pie and sylvester, bugs bunny, JR Ewing, >>Sylvester Stallone, the purple heart, ma's apple pie, Ollie North, >>Manuel Noriega (your ex-Drugs Enforcement Official), ex-President "look no >>hands but watch the string " Reagan, Macdonalds, Wall Street and that >>last bastion of Americanism - the CIA (Criminally Inept Americans). >>Besides we are the 1st world you're only the second and when we >>eventually get EC integration we'll be much bigger than you. > >>OH YES!, I nearly forgot, Australians. The people who gave us "Home And >>Away", "Neighbours", "Richie Benout (Cricket Commentator), "Sons And >>Daughters", "The Flying Doctors" and "A Country Practice". Well just >>remember you used to be part of our empire and I think, judging by the >>crap you view on your television, moving to a 256 line PAL wouldnt make any >>difference to viewing even if they still broadcasted using NTSC. So >>standardise to PAL or we'll just have to send a task force down to >>correct your wrongs. > > >>Yours Flamingly > >>-=Andy=- > > That, folks, was a fine example of either that wonderfully droll, but usually > bizarre English wit, or a pompous ass. > > By the way, I remember seeing one of those wonderfull shows that are the > product of England, and I was very amused to notice that it was a rather > laughable clone of "Three's Company". I would say that's a fine indication > of what the English people look for in entertainment. Oh NO! You blew it!! (Just shows how arrogant you Yanks are). That "clone" of three's company has been running since 1972. Indeed the whole series of man-living-with-2-birds-with-silly-landlord-and-nagging-wife serials was based on man about the house. The Brit version not only has the benefit of orriginality, it also had good scriptwriters and passable acting. The yank version was written by a quadraplegic parrot and the cast was dredged from a bulk auction of store dummies. Remember: America doesn't do it first, it just does it over and over... > > Oh, and if you remember, the United States also used to be part of your empire. > Isn't it nice that you are now part of ours? If you really think the world is controlled by governments, you better take a quick look at the greenback! Regards Alan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Rich Champeaux PLT: The plotter device for the Amiga! > rchampe@hubcap.clemson.edu Ask for it at your neighborhood FTP site! > > "It's never too late to do nothing at all." > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
poynton@vector.Sun.COM (Charles A. Poynton) (03/06/90)
Holy smokes, I posted "U.S. SCUTTLES 1920x1080" moments before reading Kent Paul Dolan's piece that exhorts "Sheesh! Quit bellyaching and get involved!" I posted to Comp.std.internat almost as an afterthought, since the HDTV standards issue is primarily concerned with television (Sci.electronics, Rec.video) and computer graphics (Comp.graphics) but of course it's prime international standards material. What is happening in HDTV is that the U.S. broadcasters want twice 525 at their frame rate (1050/59.94/2:1) with twice their current picture lines (966), the European broadcasters want twice 625 at their frame rate (1250/50/2:1) with twice their line count (1152), and the Japanese thought they could craft a political solution (total lines almost the geometric mean of 1050 and 1250, frame rate of 60.00 an equal nuisance to N.A. and Europe, and a picture line count with good numerology 483/525 = 575/625 = 1035/1125 but non-square pixels). To those that feel it's futile, the broadcasters have been educated to the extent that the Europeans have had to abandon their favourite 1920x1152 proposal because square pixels have become a reality there; this is the origination of the 2048x1152 number (2 1/4 megapixels). Both Zenith and NBC have published square pixel proposals, the last holdouts. So to those inspired by Dolan's invitation, here's a real issue for those idealists that believe in one world. C. ----- Charles A. Poynton Sun Microsystems Inc. vox 415-336-7846 2550 Garcia Avenue, MS 21-10 fax 415-969-9131 Mountain View, CA 94043 <poynton@sun.com> U.S.A. "Buddy, you just don't understand economics at all, do you?" ----- Article 599 (1 more) in comp.std.internat: From: xanthian@saturn.ADS.COM (Metafont Consultant Account) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.std.internat Subject: Re: Difference American vs. European Amiga Keywords: I will fight no more this day forever. Message-ID: <11031@saturn.ADS.COM> Date: 27 Feb 90 12:32:57 GMT References: <15465.AA15465@slaka.sirius.se> <381@poppy.warwick.ac.uk> <5160@wehi .dn.mu.oz> <1990Feb21.115439.6769@NCoast.ORG> <5202@wehi.dn.mu.oz> <2472@castle. ed.ac.uk> Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mt. View, CA (415) 960-7300 Lines: 28 I have a great idea. Rather than merely toasting each other for not adopting the design of the AC power system from where it was invented, but instead choosing an incompatible standard, so that we can fight 120 volt versus 220 volt, and 60 Hertz versus 50 Hertz wars forever; rather than just flaming each other for not adopting TV standards from where the technology was invented, but instead choosing an incompatible standard, so that we can fight PAL versus NTSC wars until hell freezes over; let's all play Not Invented Here, and drag our feet all the way to the standards meetings a while longer, so we can adopt different and incompatible HDTV standards, upward compatible only with our own jingoistic existing TV broadcast industries, in formats completely worthless for assisting digital display and computing (no Powers of Two _here_, no sir, we don't believe in them), so that we can go on raving about how this stuff written by the other guy/gal that works for every Amiga computer available for testing within a thousand miles of the author won't work on _my_ Amiga computer, well into the twenty second century and beyond. Isn't this _fun_? Sheesh! Quit bellyaching and get involved. And if anyone wants to mention the only country in the world that has been officially metric for over a century and never implemented the standard, I have a flag here I want to wave a while to change the subject. ;-) -- xanthian@ads.com xanthian@well.sf.ca.us (Kent Paul Dolan) Again, my opinions, not the account furnishers'.