[comp.sys.amiga.hardware] Help with Super Agnus

jwb@ksuvax1.cis.ksu.edu (Jeff W. Brogden) (03/18/90)

I just had the new super agnus chip installed in my A2000.  Since then I have
been experiencing numerous problems.  The most severe is that my floppy disk
drives are almost unusable.  I am now plagued with read/write errors, bad
disk validations, bad check sums, etc...  I can format a disk fine.  But if 
I use copy, or diskcopy, the disks go crazy.

Second, my screens, requesters, menues, etc. are full of garbage.  Moving
windows around, or moving CLI's around, trashes up the screen to an unreadable
state.  Text gadgets are filled with garbage when they are first displayed.
And there are numerous other oddities, to many to mention.

Does anyone have any idea what is going on, and more importantly, how to
fix the problem?  Send me e-mail with suggestions and fixes.

Thanks in advance,


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jwb@ksuvax1.cis.ksu.edu (Jeff W. Brogden) (03/19/90)

I write:
=
=I just had the new super agnus chip installed in my A2000.  Since then I have
=been experiencing numerous problems.  The most severe is that my floppy disk
=drives are almost unusable.  I am now plagued with read/write errors, bad
=disk validations, bad check sums, etc...  I can format a disk fine.  But if 
=I use copy, or diskcopy, the disks go crazy.
=
=Second, my screens, requesters, menues, etc. are full of garbage.  Moving
=windows around, or moving CLI's around, trashes up the screen to an unreadable
=state.  Text gadgets are filled with garbage when they are first displayed.
=And there are numerous other oddities, too many to mention.
=
=Does anyone have any idea what is going on, and more importantly, how to
=fix the problem?  Send me e-mail with suggestions and fixes.
=
=Thanks in advance,


I did some further investigation, and here is what I found:

Typing "version" in a CLI produced:

Kickstart Version 34.5. Workbench Version 34.28.


Typing "avail" in a CLI produced:

Type  Available    In-Use   Maximum   Largest
chip     953784     86368   1040152    953472
fast    1975088    122032   2097120   1970432
total   2928872    208400   3137272   1970432


Running a program called "ecs" which askes the agnus which type it is produced:

Enhanced Chipset (ECS) Detector Program, June '89
Full Public Domain - Do What You Will

Hardware Present:
  Super Agnus Chip (NTCS)
  Normal Denise Chip

Operating System is -Unaware- of the Presence of the Super Agnus Chip


Question is, how can "avail" show there is more than 512K chip RAM but the 
OS not know that the Super Agnus exists?  Is this why I am getting all the
garbage on the screen, etc.?

Again, please e-mail me with any suggestions on fixing the problem.  So far
I have had four people asking for copies of the responses I get, but no one
has offered any solutions.  Help!

Thanks in advance,


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Jeff Brogden					| Kansas State University
Internet: jwb@ksuvax1.cis.ksu.edu          	| Manhattan, KS.  66506
BITNET: jwb@ksuvm                           	| Office phone: (913)532-6350
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jbaker@gmu90x.gmu.edu (jbaker) (03/20/90)

In article <260471CC.505F@deimos.cis.ksu.edu> jwb@ksuvax1.cis.ksu.edu (Jeff W. Brogden) writes:
>=I just had the new super agnus chip installed in my A2000.  Since then I have
>=been experiencing numerous problems.  The most severe is that my floppy disk
>=drives are almost unusable.  I am now plagued with read/write errors, bad
...
>Question is, how can "avail" show there is more than 512K chip RAM but the 
>OS not know that the Super Agnus exists?  Is this why I am getting all the
>garbage on the screen, etc.?

It sounds like they did a poor installation job.  If you paid to have it done,
you should bring it back and make them fix it.  However, if you want to risk
playing around yourself, I have some suggestions.  (For 2000s only!)

First, open up the Amiga and remove the power supply/drives assembly.
Disconnect cables as necessary and note their orientation.  Now examine
the super agnus (the square chip).  If you see no bent pins, try pushing
it in firmly.  Hopefully it will be loose and this will correct the problem.
While you are in there, push in all the socketed chips.  I usually "ground"
myself before touching electronic parts by touching a large metal object.

Now check the two jumper modifications necessary when installing a "fatter
agnus."  From what you said, it sounds quite possible one was not done
properly.  First, look at jumper J101.  This jumper consists of three pins
and a jumper, which must be on the left two pins for the fatter agnus:
        Old agnus (512K):  o  o--o   Fatter agnus (1M):  o--o  o
(This is looking from the front of the Amiga.)

Now look for jumper J500.  This is simply two pads, no wires.  In Amiga 2000s
with a 512K agnus, there is a trace connecting the two pads.  This is cut
when installing a fatter agnus.  Use a blade to be sure that the trace has
indeed been completely cut, but DO NOT slip and cut any other traces.  I
usually overdo such things, but it is quite possible to not cut it well
enough.

Now carefully put everything back together, double checking all connections,
and be sure that nothing is backwards or forgotten.  It is easy to put the
disk drive connector back onto the motherboard offset by a pin.  Check this.
Be sure to push the connectors onto any internal drives.  These usually get
loose when working inside the computer.

Now cross your fingers, and turn on the power.

By the way, if anyone is putting in their own fatter agnus, a common trick
to get the old agnus out is to super glue a large nut to the top of the chip,
wait a few secs, then screw in a bolt just until it makes contact with the
chip, and pull the chip out.  Try not to rock it (too much).  Mine came
straight out with steady but firm pressure, while holding the socket down
with the other hand.

It also doesn't hurt to carefully remove some of that dust.  You never know
if a little bit of metal might be there somewhere.  I use a small plastic
vaccum cleaner.

WARNING!  WARNING!  WARNING!
If you do anything wrong, make a mistake, or just have bad luck, you could
RUIN your amiga.  In fact, what I have said above might be all wrong and
blow everything up, so don't blame me if anything goes wrong.  I suggest
that if you do anything I say, double check it with other sources.

By the way, if you are looking for a fatter agnus, I got mine from
MEMORY WORLD at (215) 741-6225 at AmiExpo in Washington for $89.00;
the mail-order price may be different.  They also have 1.3 ROMs.

 
John Baker
jbaker@gmuvax.gmu.edu
(703) 941-6840

cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) (03/27/90)

Since I'm sure everyone else on this thread knows what an Agnes chip is 
and the associated difference between models, could some kind soul(s)
email me the scoop on this issue?  I haven't purchase my Amy yet so
I have no idea what you guys are talking about.  It is some sort of
graphics chip, no?

Chris

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