mjl@ut-emx.UUCP (Maurice LeBrun) (08/24/90)
Hello all, With my collection of net.wisdom and 'Introducing the Amiga 3000' in hand, I boldly set out to install my new 8 1Mx4 70ns ZIP SCRAMS. But all I get now when attempting to boot is the dreaded yellow screen (after getting to the kickstart screen). I took care to: - be properly grounded - install ZIPs in proper bank (bank 0), and correct orientation - move 1MB DIPS to Chip ram section - change jumper - reassemble machine So what could be wrong? I'm a little concerned about the jumper -- the manual says number J852 and gives a picture of a jumper with 3 pins, but the one on the motherboard with this number has five pins. As in the docs, for 1Mx4 SCRAMS I changed it: / \ / \ | . | | x | (x == jumper location, from | x | to | x | . == bare pin ) | x | | . | | . | | . | | . | | . | ----- ----- (J852) (J852) Is this correct? Any other suggestions would be welcome. Maurice LeBrun Internet: mjl@fusion.ph.utexas.edu Institute for Fusion Studies 14547%NERSC@CCC.NERSC.GOV University of Texas at Austin Phonet: 512-471-6149
skank@du248-09.cc.iastate.edu (Skank George L) (08/25/90)
In article <36667@ut-emx.UUCP> mjl@ut-emx.UUCP (Maurice LeBrun) writes: >Hello all, > >With my collection of net.wisdom and 'Introducing the Amiga 3000' in >hand, I boldly set out to install my new 8 1Mx4 70ns ZIP SCRAMS. But >all I get now when attempting to boot is the dreaded yellow screen IMPORTANT NEWSFLASH!!! My dealer informed me Tuesday that Commodore has adopted a TOUGH new policy with respect to the new one year warrenty. All new Amigas are shipped with a SEALED case,if this seal is broken the warrenty is automatically voided. Commodore is being VERY tough about inforcing this new policy. This policy extends to installation of memory AND INTERNAL CARDS on all Amiga models. During the warrenty period all work must be done at a qualified Amiga service center or dealer for the warrenty to remain valid. After the service is performed the dealer will affix a sticker to the machine to mark it as having been serviced. Thought you'd like to know, George
mjl@ut-emx.UUCP (mjl) (08/25/90)
It works, yippee! Nearly infinite ram now, well for a while at least :-). In article <36667@ut-emx.UUCP> I wrote: >With my collection of net.wisdom and 'Introducing the Amiga 3000' in >hand, I boldly set out to install my new 8 1Mx4 70ns ZIP SCRAMS. But >all I get now when attempting to boot is the dreaded yellow screen >(after getting to the kickstart screen). > >I took care to: >- be properly grounded >- install ZIPs in proper bank (bank 0), and correct orientation >- move 1MB DIPS to Chip ram section >- change jumper >- reassemble machine Unfortunately I did NOT: - make sure backplane (daughterboard) was inserted correctly (it requires a fairly good shove) Reinserting it corrected the problem. An old message posted by Ross Cunniff clued me in on this. Regarding the jumper for switching between 1Mx4 and 256Kx4 chips, I wrote: >I'm a little concerned about the jumper -- the manual says number J852 >and gives a picture of a jumper with 3 pins, but the one on the >motherboard with this number has five pins. [...deleted] One person wrote me saying that his indeed had only 3 pins. I assume mine was an older motherboard revision (6.3). Mayhaps this was support for other memory chips? Enough banter, time to go play with my new toy :-). Maurice LeBrun Internet: mjl@fusion.ph.utexas.edu Institute for Fusion Studies 14547%NERSC@CCC.NERSC.GOV University of Texas at Austin Phonet: 512-471-6149
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (08/26/90)
In article <1990Aug25.070613.25278@fs-1.iastate.edu> skank@iastate.edu (Skank George L) writes: > > IMPORTANT NEWSFLASH!!! > > My dealer informed me Tuesday that Commodore has adopted a TOUGH new >policy with respect to the new one year warrenty. All new Amigas are shipped >with a SEALED case,if this seal is broken the warrenty is automatically voided. >Commodore is being VERY tough about inforcing this new policy. This policy >extends to installation of memory AND INTERNAL CARDS on all Amiga models. >During the warrenty period all work must be done at a qualified Amiga service >center or dealer for the warrenty to remain valid. After the service is >performed the dealer will affix a sticker to the machine to mark it as having >been serviced. > > Thought you'd like to know, > George I'll give Commodorians here a chance to deny this before I lose it, but if this is true: WHAT IDI*T MADE THIS POLICY! All Commodore is doing is making life for their customers more difficult. Service centers in general charge high prices for labor time. They will also want you to buy from them rather than from some other cheaper place. Maybe I'm misunderstanding things but wasn't the Amiga (2000-3000) meant to be easily expanded??? -- Ethan Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu *Iraq += *Kuwait NumCountries--
swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) (08/27/90)
In article <1990Aug25.171112.21172@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: >In article <1990Aug25.070613.25278@fs-1.iastate.edu> skank@iastate.edu (Skank George L) writes: [...] >> IMPORTANT NEWSFLASH!!! >> >> My dealer informed me Tuesday that Commodore has adopted a TOUGH >>new policy with respect to the new one year warrenty. All new Amigas >>are shipped with a SEALED case,if this seal is broken the warrenty is >>automatically voided. [...] > I'll give Commodorians here a chance to deny this before >I lose it, but if this is true: WHAT IDI*T MADE THIS POLICY! All [...] If I was responsible for backing up the warranty on a machine like the 3000 full of static sensitive surface-mount components, I would not want consumers poking around in it. Even qualified technicians sometimes destroy parts as a result of static discharge. What % of average consumers would understand and take proper precautions, even if instructions were included detailing the procedure? Your ill-conceived flaming is unreasonable and irrational. Allowing consumers to poke around in warranteed equipment like this could bankrupt a company. Give CBM a break. You can't poke around in your Amiga and expect Commodore to pay for what will probably prove to be your own mistakes. If you're good enough to be in there then you're good enough to fix it if it breaks. -- _. --Steve ._||__ DISCLAIMER: All opinions are my own. Warren v\ *| ---------------------------------------------- V {uunet,sun}!convex!swarren; swarren@convex.COM
sparks@corpane.UUCP (John Sparks) (08/29/90)
skank@du248-09.cc.iastate.edu (Skank George L) writes: > IMPORTANT NEWSFLASH!!! > My dealer informed me Tuesday that Commodore has adopted a TOUGH new >policy with respect to the new one year warrenty. All new Amigas are shipped >with a SEALED case,if this seal is broken the warrenty is automatically voided. >Commodore is being VERY tough about inforcing this new policy. This policy >extends to installation of memory AND INTERNAL CARDS on all Amiga models. >During the warrenty period all work must be done at a qualified Amiga service >center or dealer for the warrenty to remain valid. After the service is >performed the dealer will affix a sticker to the machine to mark it as having >been serviced. Hmm., this doesn't sound right to me. After all, I thought the whole point of having slots and the mem sockets was so it would be easy for the owner to upgrade and customize his machine himself. Having to take it into the dealer for every little thing would be a real hassle. Will someone from CBM comment on this? BTW: how can they tell if you have messed with the case once you have taken it in to the dealer and he has broken the seal? -- John Sparks |D.I.S.K. Public Access Unix System| Multi-User Games, Email sparks@corpane.UUCP |PH: (502) 968-DISK 24Hrs/2400BPS | Usenet, Chatting, =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|7 line Multi-User system. | Downloads & more. A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of----Ogden Nash
davids@cup.portal.com (David Kenneth Schreiber) (08/30/90)
[First: line eater fodder] Second, I just wanted to mention that I'm surprised that this hasn't generated more discussion. Perhaps cross-posting to c.s.amiga would be in order. But anyway: In some article swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) writes: .In article <1990Aug25.171112.21172@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.colu m bia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: .>In article <1990Aug25.070613.25278@fs-1.iastate.edu> skank@iastate.edu (Skan k George L) writes: [...] .>> IMPORTANT NEWSFLASH!!! .>> .>> My dealer informed me Tuesday that Commodore has adopted a TOUGH .>>new policy with respect to the new one year warrenty. All new Amigas .>>are shipped with a SEALED case,if this seal is broken the warrenty is .>>automatically voided. . [...] What sort of seal is this? I found no seal on my 3000 (unless it refers to the way the screws are screwed in or something). .> I'll give Commodorians here a chance to deny this before .>I lose it, but if this is true: WHAT IDI*T MADE THIS POLICY! All . [...] .If I was responsible for backing up the warranty on a machine like .the 3000 full of static sensitive surface-mount components, I would .not want consumers poking around in it. Even qualified technicians .sometimes destroy parts as a result of static discharge. What % of .average consumers would understand and take proper precautions, even .if instructions were included detailing the procedure? Instructions _are_ included detailing memory expansion and hard drive installation on the 3000. There is nothing saying "Do this and you will void your warranty." If Commodore doesn't want consumers poking around inside its machinery, it should say so. Personally, I see the lack of such warning, along with the detailed installation directions, as granting permission to do the installations without risk of voiding the warranty (at least as long as no damage is done by the installation). .Your ill-conceived flaming is unreasonable and irrational. Allowing .consumers to poke around in warranteed equipment like this could .bankrupt a company. How many other personal computer companies have this sort of warranty policy, anyway? Are the ones that don't near the edge of bankrupcy? .Give CBM a break. You can't poke around in your Amiga and expect .Commodore to pay for what will probably prove to be your own mistakes. .If you're good enough to be in there then you're good enough to fix it .if it breaks. 1: I've spent $3000+ of my own money on Commodore this summer for my 3000 & 1950; they're not the ones deserving the break :-). 2: Is this policy binding on people who bought 3000s before the policy change was enacted. If so, this prompts a comment and a question: a) "Probably" just doesn't cut it, at least according to the warranty agreement that _I_ entered into when buying this machine. That agreement says that damaged is not covered if it is _caused_ by unauthorized "repairs or modifications". Nowhere does it say that damage is not covered if the machine has simply been _opened_ by the consumer. b) Does anyone know if it is actually LEGAL for Commodore to change a warranty agreement (contract?) midstream. I'm no lawyer, but it strikes me the answer would be no, in which case I should still be able to have my machine serviced even though I've installed extra RAM and a hard drive, and even though all the machine being sold now would have much more easily voided warranties. Of course, I know nothing of contract law, so I could very well be totally wrong. Would any net.lawyers like to give the definitive word? Finally, what I'd _really_ like is someone from Commodore to confirm or deny this whole warranty thing. .--Steve ._||__ DISCLAIMER: All opinions are my own. . Warren v\ *| ---------------------------------------------- . V {uunet,sun}!convex!swarren; swarren@convex.COM I wish Portal would let me do real .sigs :-(, but for now, this'll have to do: -Dave Schreiber at davids@cup.portal.com "Coffee, Darling?"
dfisk@level10.UUCP (David Fisk) (08/30/90)
>In article <1990Aug25.070613.25278@fs-1.iastate.edu> skank@du248-09.cc.iastate.edu (Skank George L) writes: > IMPORTANT NEWSFLASH!!! > > My dealer informed me Tuesday that Commodore has adopted a TOUGH new >policy with respect to the new one year warrenty. All new Amigas are shipped >with a SEALED case,if this seal is broken the warrenty is automatically voided. >Commodore is being VERY tough about inforcing this new policy. This policy >extends to installation of memory AND INTERNAL CARDS on all Amiga models. >During the warrenty period all work must be done at a qualified Amiga service >center or dealer for the warrenty to remain valid. After the service is >performed the dealer will affix a sticker to the machine to mark it as having >been serviced. > Well, I have recieved similar news at the dealership I work part time for, but slightly different. I heard that this new program was to cover the lower-end consumer products, meaning the C64, 1541/1581 Disk Drives, the Amiga 500 and A1011 Disk. This was NOT goint to cover the 2000-3000 range of machines as they are designed for user installation of cards. (Even the new 3000 manual goes through extra hard disk/ram installation procedures). Perhaps someone official can clear this up once and for-all before the &*#*$& starts flying. I'll try and get the official notification that was sent in the meantime. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Fisk - level10!dfisk@ssi3b1.zone1.com dfisk@level10.UUCP ...{mit-eddie,pyramid,datacube}!mirror!ssi3b1!level10!dfisk Anyone looking for a AmigaDOS or Unix C Programmer
6600dan@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Dan Zerkle) (08/31/90)
In article <33396@cup.portal.com> davids@cup.portal.com (David Kenneth Schreiber) writes:
Instructions _are_ included detailing memory expansion and hard drive
installation on the 3000. There is nothing saying "Do this and you
will void your warranty." If Commodore doesn't want consumers poking
around inside its machinery, it should say so. Personally, I see the
lack of such warning, along with the detailed installation directions,
as granting permission to do the installations without risk of voiding
the warranty (at least as long as no damage is done by the installation).
The manual sez:
WARNING: Installation of RAM chips should be performed by an
authorized Commodore-Amiga Service Center, or by your Commodore-Amiga
dealer. Commodore-Amiga will not be responsible or liable for any
damages caused by improper installation of RAM chips.
There are no seals on the 3000. At least, not on mine. I should
know--I took the whole thing apart to admire it, then had a hell of a
time getting it back together (NOT a simple project). The 500,
however, does have a seal. It covers one of the bolts that holds the
case together, and says "warrantee seal".
-Dan
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Dan Zerkle 6600dan@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu 6600dan@ucsbuxa.bitnet (805) 968-4683
Amiga.... Because life is too short for boring computers.amhartma@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Andy Hartman - AmigaMan) (09/01/90)
The poster included a statement that this didn't involve adding cards to the 2000 & 3000. I think if I'm stupid enough to remove my drives and screw something up, I should have to pay for it. I don't trust myself when I jump start a car much less poking in my 2000. You should've seen me hooking up my 2nd floppy and putting in my memory board! I could've made James Bond a martini! AMH * Andy Hartman | I'd deny half of this crap anyway!| "Somedays, you just * Indiana University |-----------------------------------| can't get rid of a * // Amiga Man | amhartma@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | bomb!" * \X/ At Large! | AMHARTMA@rose.ucs.indiana.edu | - Batman (original)