orb@pnet01.cts.com (Randolph Turner) (11/30/90)
I hope someone can enlighten me on this, as I have already ordered a
TrumpCard 500 package w/ the Meta4 ram card for use on my 1000. I talked to
Louise (the tech rep at IVS) about this, and she seemed confident that it
would work just fine, but I want to know if anyone out here in "net-land" has
attempted to use this setup on the 1000. I can't help but worry that I'll end
up having problems, and I was hoping one of you out there could help quell my
fear a bit. Also, since I don't have a SCSI drive lying around, it might be a
while before I am able to put it through any tests other than the RAM
expansion, the info would help there as well.
BTW, my PAL chips are grounded, in case that would be a problem.
Thank you much,
Randolph Turner
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INET: orb@pnet01.cts.comjeremym@chopin.udel.edu (Jeremy A Moskowitz) (12/01/90)
In article <5985@crash.cts.com> orb@pnet01.cts.com (Randolph Turner) writes: > > I hope someone can enlighten me on this, as I have already ordered a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ok.. that's yer first mistake... >TrumpCard 500 package w/ the Meta4 ram card for use on my 1000. I talked to ^^^^ Whoops! Mistake number two. >Louise (the tech rep at IVS) about this, and she seemed confident that it ^^^^^^ Mistake number three. Adam Feurer is the *BEST* techie at IVS. This guy knows *EVERYTHING!* >would work just fine, but I want to know if anyone out here in "net-land" has ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It'll wok just fine in a 500, and a 2000.. if that's what you mean... but... let's take a look at the TC enclosure archatecture. If the 500 has the bus port on it's leftside, and the trumpcard has female fingers on it's left side... it'll go right into the 500,right? Right. That's what it was designed for. If the 1000 has the bus port on it's RIGHTSIDE, the and the TC has the same setup, then how the hell are ya gonna get it in there? Flip it and turn it around? WRONG! Even if you could do that, It'll 1) be awkward 2) not work anyway because WE'RE TALKING ZORRO here... does anyone follow my logic! Bottom line dude: 1) Should asked before ya ordered 2) the product is named Trumpcard 500 *NOT* Trumpcard 1000, so, take a guess on the compatibility there, pal. 3) Run to your phone, call the dealer you bought this thing from and go buy yourself a nice, slow, A1000 Supra-Board. It'll work and it'll be just what a 1000 user needs. >attempted to use this setup on the 1000. I can't help but worry that I'll end >up having problems, and I was hoping one of you out there could help quell my >fear a bit. Also, since I don't have a SCSI drive lying around, it might be a >while before I am able to put it through any tests other than the RAM >expansion, the info would help there as well. > >BTW, my PAL chips are grounded, in case that would be a problem. > >Thank you much, >Randolph Turner > >UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!orb >ARPA: crash!pnet01!orb@nosc.mil >INET: orb@pnet01.cts.com -- E Pluribus // Contacts: jeremym@brahms.udel.edu or jeremym@chopin.udel.edu or Unix // jeremy@freezer.it.udel.edu or jeremy@vax1.udel.edu \\ // (line 1 = jeremym) (line 2 = jeremy) \X/ 2001 Dalmations - My stars, its full of dogs...
lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (12/01/90)
In <16008@chopin.udel.edu>, jeremym@chopin.udel.edu (Jeremy A Moskowitz) writes: > >If the 500 has the bus port on it's leftside, and the trumpcard >has female fingers on it's left side... it'll go right into the 500,right? >Right. That's what it was designed for. > >If the 1000 has the bus port on it's RIGHTSIDE, the and the TC >has the same setup, then how the hell are ya gonna get it in there? >Flip it and turn it around? WRONG! Even if you could do that, >It'll 1) be awkward > 2) not work anyway because WE'RE TALKING ZORRO here... Funny, not only can you flip the A590 around and plug it into the A1000, but when you do it, it works just fine. >does anyone follow my logic! What logic? "It'll be awkward" does not answer the question "WE'RE TALKING ZORRO here...' is a non-sequiter that provides no information content at all. >Bottom line dude: 1) Should asked before ya ordered > 2) the product is named Trumpcard 500 > *NOT* Trumpcard 1000, so, take > a guess on the compatibility there, pal. If I were to take a guess, I would say that it should work, based on what I know about the expansion schemes of the 500 and the 1000, and on the proven workability of the A590, Dude. > 3) Run to your phone, call the dealer you > bought this thing from and go buy yourself > a nice, slow, A1000 Supra-Board. It'll > work and it'll be just what a 1000 > user needs. While this may be a solution to his problem, pal, it may not be the only one. -larry -- The only things to survive a nuclear war will be cockroaches and IBM PCs. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | // Larry Phillips | | \X/ lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca -or- uunet!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | | COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 -or- 76703.4322@compuserve.com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
orb@pnet01.cts.com (Randolph Turner) (12/01/90)
jeremym@chopin.udel.edu (Jeremy A Moskowitz) writes: >In article <5985@crash.cts.com> orb@pnet01.cts.com (Randolph Turner) writes: >> >> I hope someone can enlighten me on this, as I have already ordered a > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Ok.. that's yer first mistake... > >>TrumpCard 500 package w/ the Meta4 ram card for use on my 1000. I talked to > ^^^^ > Whoops! Mistake number two. > >>Louise (the tech rep at IVS) about this, and she seemed confident that it > ^^^^^^ > > Mistake number three. Adam Feurer is the *BEST* techie at > IVS. This guy knows *EVERYTHING!* > > >>would work just fine, but I want to know if anyone out here in "net-land" has > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > It'll wok just fine in a 500, and a 2000.. if that's what you > mean... but... let's take a look at the TC enclosure archatecture. > >If the 500 has the bus port on it's leftside, and the trumpcard >has female fingers on it's left side... it'll go right into the 500,right? >Right. That's what it was designed for. > >If the 1000 has the bus port on it's RIGHTSIDE, the and the TC >has the same setup, then how the hell are ya gonna get it in there? >Flip it and turn it around? WRONG! Even if you could do that, >It'll 1) be awkward > 2) not work anyway because WE'RE TALKING ZORRO here... > >does anyone follow my logic! > >Bottom line dude: 1) Should asked before ya ordered > 2) the product is named Trumpcard 500 > *NOT* Trumpcard 1000, so, take > a guess on the compatibility there, pal. > 3) Run to your phone, call the dealer you > bought this thing from and go buy yourself > a nice, slow, A1000 Supra-Board. It'll > work and it'll be just what a 1000 > user needs. > > >>attempted to use this setup on the 1000. I can't help but worry that I'll end >>up having problems, and I was hoping one of you out there could help quell my >>fear a bit. Also, since I don't have a SCSI drive lying around, it might be a >>while before I am able to put it through any tests other than the RAM >>expansion, the info would help there as well. >> >>BTW, my PAL chips are grounded, in case that would be a problem. >> >>Thank you much, >>Randolph Turner >> >>UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!orb >>ARPA: crash!pnet01!orb@nosc.mil >>INET: orb@pnet01.cts.com > > >-- >E Pluribus // Contacts: jeremym@brahms.udel.edu or jeremym@chopin.udel.edu or > Unix // jeremy@freezer.it.udel.edu or jeremy@vax1.udel.edu > \\ // (line 1 = jeremym) (line 2 = jeremy) > \X/ 2001 Dalmations - My stars, its full of dogs... I entered the the above post hoping to get a reply from someone that is currently using, or has tried hooking the Trumpcard 500 to a 1000. I am pleased to say that a kind-hearted person has replied via E-mail that he had tried it, and it worked fine. What I didn't expect was someone basically calling me stupid for my actions, and looking down upon me because I use a 1000. Not exactly what I thought the nets were all about. And to clear up a few things with Mr. Moskowitz, I am not concerned with appearance, but rather functionality and the ability for my investment to move with me if and when I get a 500. I *did* check before I ordered, thus the two calls to IVS directly. BTW, both times I was connected with Louise for technical information. If Mr. Feurer is the "guru" at IVS, they sure don't put him on the phone much. I was merely looking for some re-enforcement, or a "second opinion" if you will, and that I have received (from someone that actually knew what they were talking about, I might add). Thanks for listening, Randolph Turner UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!orb ARPA: crash!pnet01!orb@nosc.mil INET: orb@pnet01.cts.com
xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Nigel Tzeng) (12/03/90)
In article <6012@crash.cts.com>, orb@pnet01.cts.com (Randolph Turner) writes... ^ ^ I entered the the above post hoping to get a reply from someone that is ^currently using, or has tried hooking the Trumpcard 500 to a 1000. I am ^pleased to say that a kind-hearted person has replied via E-mail that he had ^tried it, and it worked fine. ^ ^ What I didn't expect was someone basically calling me stupid for my actions, ^and looking down upon me because I use a 1000. Not exactly what I thought the ^nets were all about. ^ ^ And to clear up a few things with Mr. Moskowitz, I am not concerned with ^appearance, but rather functionality and the ability for my investment to move ^with me if and when I get a 500. I *did* check before I ordered, thus the two Or for that matter a 2000. It's good to know that the Trumpcard works with the 1000. Kinda makes me wish I hadn't sold it when I picked up my 2000 (I picked up a 1000 somewhere along the line...so pfffft on the naysayers ;-). ^calls to IVS directly. BTW, both times I was connected with Louise for ^technical information. If Mr. Feurer is the "guru" at IVS, they sure don't ^put him on the phone much. I was merely looking for some re-enforcement, or a ^"second opinion" if you will, and that I have received (from someone that ^actually knew what they were talking about, I might add). IVS Tech is IMHO very good. I got accurate info and a call back later to see if the fix worked (mountlist mess up on my part ;-). Not too shabby for such an inexpensive board. Much better experience than my friend had with Supra although they did work things out to everyone's satisfaction. Here's a techinical question you might be able to answer for me: Did they suggest the optional power supply? I heard that this may be a good idea. They said it'd be close on my system (at the time an A500 w/two floppies) but that things should be okay. Later on I heard that the A500 power supply quit after a while. ^ ^Thanks for listening, ^Randolph Turner ^ ^UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!orb ^ARPA: crash!pnet01!orb@nosc.mil ^INET: orb@pnet01.cts.com NT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- // | Nigel Tzeng - STX Inc - NASA/GSFC COBE Project \X/ | xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov | Amiga | Standard Disclaimer Applies: The opinions expressed are my own.
amiga@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Paul) (12/03/90)
I have used the TrumpCard on my 1000 and it works fine. The main problems you will have to deal with is the height difference between the 1000 and the 500. As far as it working it started right away. Now one you need to know is that if you don't have Kickstart in rom, you will still need to load it from disk then "hot key it" at which point it will boot from the HD. (1.3 KS needed) -- Amiga@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu .....Paul......
roger@stretch.cs.mun.ca (Roger White) (12/05/90)
>In article <2296@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca> lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) writes: >>Funny, not only can you flip the A590 around and plug it into the A1000, but >>when you do it, it works just fine. >> >>If I were to take a guess, I would say that it should work, based on what I >>know about the expansion schemes of the 500 and the 1000, and on the proven >>workability of the A590, Dude. >> >>The only things to survive a nuclear war will be cockroaches and IBM PCs. >>+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >>| // Larry Phillips | >>| \X/ lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca -or- uunet!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | >>| COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 -or- 76703.4322@compuserve.com | >>+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ I have a chance to purchase a cheap Amiga 1000 with 512k RAM. If I buy an Amiga 500 512k expansion card, would this work to give me an extra 512k (1 meg total) as well as the clock? or will I have to buy A1000 specific mem expansion? If this works, what other 500 (or 2000) hardware will work with a 1000? Also, what is this I hear about a graphics mode not available with the 1000? Is this fact or blatant rumour? Will it make a difference with most software? with any software? Finally, will all software created for a 500 work on the 1000? Roger. -- Boot it up? I did A LOT of that!| Roger White (Sam-Cheers) | Memorial University of Newfoundland --------------------------------| St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada ..uunet!stretch.cs.mun.ca!roger, roger@stretch.mun.edu, roger@stretch.cs.mun.ca
lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (12/06/90)
In <1990Dec5.002202.16419@stretch.cs.mun.ca>, roger@stretch.cs.mun.ca (Roger White) writes: > >I have a chance to purchase a cheap Amiga 1000 with 512k RAM. If I buy >an Amiga 500 512k expansion card, would this work to give me an extra 512k >(1 meg total) as well as the clock? or will I have to buy A1000 specific mem >expansion? If this works, what other 500 (or 2000) hardware will work with >a 1000? Tha A500's expansion memory card is completely difefrent, in that it plugs into a slot in the bottom of the A500, and has a pinout that is applicable to that slot only. Basically, anything that will plug into the side expansion slot will work in both machines. Your best bet, if purchasing the 1000, will be either the A590 (if you want a hard drive and expansion memory), or an A1000 specific expansion memory board. I don't know if there are any A500 expansion memory boards that plug into the side expansion slot. >Also, what is this I hear about a graphics mode not available with the >1000? Is this fact or blatant rumour? Will it make a difference with >most software? with any software? Well... depends on what you mean by 'not available'. While it is true that you cannot just buy an CS chip set and plug it in (the pinouts of the older chips and the ner ones is different), you can have the newer chipset if you want to spend the 500 bucks or so to add something like 'The Rejuvenator'. It is a daughterboard that accepts the newer chipset and allows memory expansion. >Finally, will all software created for a 500 work on the 1000? Can't guarantee it all, since not all programs are written properly, but for the most part, yes, they will run on both. -larry -- The only things to survive a nuclear war will be cockroaches and IBM PCs. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | // Larry Phillips | | \X/ lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca -or- uunet!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | | COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 -or- 76703.4322@compuserve.com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
chanson@isis.cs.du.edu (Chris Hanson) (12/09/90)
>Ok.. that's yer first mistake... >Whoops! Mistake number two. >Mistake number three. #define CHILL_OUT ON Ok, first, (jeremym || jeremy), cool it. Did you write this flame based on any real fact or information, or just from your obviously-all-knowing ego? To Randolph Turner: Yes, barring any strange hardware design problems in the TC (There shouldn't be any, IVS is a smart company), the TC500 should work fine on the 1000. I myself use a a1000-kitbashed HD on my 500, and have seen a590s used on 1000s just fine. The ZORRO bus is exactly the same on the 500 & 1000. Don't let any know-it-alls tell you otherwise. If the device can physically be turned around (NOTE: Turn it AROUND, not OVER. The bus is just swapped front-for-back, not up-for-down. If you swap it up-for-down, you WILL fry something...), to fit onto the 1000's side, it'll work great. I occasionally borrow a friend's Micron memory board from his 1000 to supplement my 2meg 500, and it works great too. Now, Jeremy: >It'll 1) be awkward > 2) not work anyway because WE'RE TALKING ZORRO here... It may be a trifle awkward, but it is certainly better than buying, as you call it, 'a nice, slow, A1000 Supra-Board'. And it will work, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ZORRO HERE. Amiga's ARE compatible. >does anyone follow my logic! No. >Bottom line dude: >1) Should asked before ya ordered Bottom line, dude, is think before you flame. jeremy.ego -= 1000; >>UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!orb >>ARPA: crash!pnet01!orb@nosc.mil >>INET: orb@pnet01.cts.com >E Pluribus // Contacts: jeremym@brahms.udel.edu or jeremym@chopin.udel.edu or > Unix // jeremy@freezer.it.udel.edu or jeremy@vax1.udel.edu > \\ // (line 1 = jeremym) (line 2 = jeremy) > \X/ 2001 Dalmations - My stars, its full of dogs... Chris - Xenon -- #define chanson Christopher_Eric_Hanson || Lord_Xenon || Kelson_Haldane I work, but you don't know who I work for. And they don't know I'm here. "WYSIKSNCTWYG:What You See Is Kinda Sorta Nearly Close To What You Get." -Me
vincelee@tornado.Berkeley.EDU (Vincent H. Lee) (12/20/90)
In article <16008@chopin.udel.edu> jeremym@chopin.udel.edu (Jeremy A Moskowitz) writes: >In article <5985@crash.cts.com> orb@pnet01.cts.com (Randolph Turner) writes: >> >> I hope someone can enlighten me on this, as I have already ordered a > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Ok.. that's yer first mistake... > >>TrumpCard 500 package w/ the Meta4 ram card for use on my 1000. I talked to > ^^^^ > Whoops! Mistake number two. > >>Louise (the tech rep at IVS) about this, and she seemed confident that it > ^^^^^^ > > Mistake number three. Adam Feurer is the *BEST* techie at > IVS. This guy knows *EVERYTHING!* > >>would work just fine, but I want to know if anyone out here in "net-land" has > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > It'll wok just fine in a 500, and a 2000.. if that's what you > mean... but... let's take a look at the TC enclosure archatecture. > >If the 500 has the bus port on it's leftside, and the trumpcard >has female fingers on it's left side... it'll go right into the 500,right? ^^^^ no. >Right. That's what it was designed for. > >If the 1000 has the bus port on it's RIGHTSIDE, the and the TC >has the same setup, then how the hell are ya gonna get it in there? >Flip it and turn it around? WRONG! Even if you could do that, >It'll 1) be awkward > 2) not work anyway because WE'RE TALKING ZORRO here... ^^^^^ We are NOT talking zorro. The Trumpcard 500 adapter already has circuitry to generate the 7Mhz clock and autoconfig signals needed to convert the a500/1000 bus to Zorro. > >does anyone follow my logic! ^^^^^ What logic???? Know what you're talking about before you go spouting off. The a1000 bus port is on the other side of the machine, and about an inch higher than on a 500, but it is NOT upside-down. In other respects, the a500 and a1000 ports are equivalent. Put the trump500 on a book and face it backwards, and it'll work just fine, as it did on my 1000. >Bottom line dude: 1) Should asked before ya ordered ^^^^^ He did, and got a correct response. [other obnoxious uninformed criticism deleted] > >> >>Thank you much, >>Randolph Turner >> >>UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!orb >>ARPA: crash!pnet01!orb@nosc.mil >>INET: orb@pnet01.cts.com > > >-- >E Pluribus // Contacts: jeremym@brahms.udel.edu or jeremym@chopin.udel.edu or > Unix // jeremy@freezer.it.udel.edu or jeremy@vax1.udel.edu > \\ // (line 1 = jeremym) (line 2 = jeremy) > \X/ 2001 Dalmations - My stars, its full of dogs...