hbrinch@icoast.UUCP (Henrik Brinch) (12/16/90)
I am really ANGRY about the fact that I have bought an Amiga 3000 and used
if for LESS than a month...and expecting it to work PERFECTLY for several
months, but NO - Of course the mouse broke after 3 WEEKS!
Please Commodore, is it the meaning that people who buys a computer for more
than USD $6500 HAS(!) to get such a BAD mouse! I understand that you try
to hit the professional market with the A3000, but with the BAD reputation
that the Amiga Mouse has...I seriously doubt it'll happen!
Please...try ie. to look at the Golden Image JinMouse to get some inspiration.
Is it the factories it is wrong with... I've also heard about a problem in
early A2000's about some CHEAP chips from malaysia... where you just remove
them with better quality, and then the A2000 wont crash now and then (as much
as with the cheap chips!). Why go on comprise with the quality, this is
certainly not a good move. Don't get me wrong, I'm VERY happy about my A3000
and all other Commodore products, but some people may not be as tolerant as
me!
Best Regards,
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/ Denmark \ "C is SILVER - But ASM is GOLD"swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) (12/19/90)
In article <hbrinch.0146@icoast.UUCP> hbrinch@icoast.UUCP (Henrik Brinch) writes: [...] >to hit the professional market with the A3000, but with the BAD reputation >that the Amiga Mouse has...I seriously doubt it'll happen! [...] I think you are listening to rumors that have no basis in fact. I've had my Amiga for five years and I have never heard of any pervasive problem with the Amiga mouse. I've also never had a problem with my own mouse (although I use a trackball most of the time now - personal preference, not a hardware problem). If your mouse is broken I would think it is probably an isolated problem, not the giant reliability issue you seem to make out of it. Of course, if my new machine was not working, I would be upset too. Regards, -- _. --Steve ._||__ DISCLAIMER: All opinions are my own. Warren v\ *| ---------------------------------------------- V {uunet,sun}!convex!swarren; swarren@convex.COM
lshaw@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (logan shaw) (12/19/90)
In article <1990Dec18.185050.11886@convex.com> swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) writes: >In article <hbrinch.0146@icoast.UUCP> hbrinch@icoast.UUCP (Henrik Brinch) writes: >>to hit the professional market with the A3000, but with the BAD reputation >>that the Amiga Mouse has...I seriously doubt it'll happen! >I think you are listening to rumors that have no basis in fact. I've had >my Amiga for five years and I have never heard of any pervasive problem with >the Amiga mouse. Yeah, really! I've had my Amiga for about a year and a half and have NEVER cleaned my mouse. I've never had _any_ problem with it whatsoever. On the other hand, every Apple mouse I've ever used has been really grungy. They all felt like somebody took out the little ball, dipped it in rubber cement, and put it back in. Also, the Amiga itself handles having a mouse better than any other machine I've ever seen. A serial mouse (on an IBM) is a joke, and the Mac mouse pointer catches up with the mouse position in one big jump about 1/2 second after you've moved it there. Well, anyway, that's what I think... -Logan -- =----------------Logan-Shaw---(lshaw@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu)----------------= "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not on thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him and he shall direct thy paths" - Proverbs 3:5-6
harris@hobbes.ncsu.edu (Michael Harris) (12/19/90)
IMHO, I think that the Amiga mouse is probably one of the most comfortable to use of all those on the market. (Short of the Microsoft Mouse) To me, it is far superior in performance and feel than those sold by IBM, Logitech, Apple, DEC, and Data General. Please realize that this is a -- __ _ ___ ___ Michael Harris - harris@catt.ncsu.edu // _ | / \ | | Computer and Technologies Theme Program // /||\/||/ _ /| |__ / /_\ | | North Carolina State University \X/ /-|| ||\_|/-|
peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) (12/19/90)
The only problem with the Amiga mouse is that the mouse-ball is down in the palm of your hand instead of near your fingertips. As a result, when doing fine work you have to gingerly hold the mouse with the tips of your fingers and you can't reach the buttons. As far as the mechanicals go, anything that survives 4 years in an apartment that also contains small children can't be all bad. Though my A3000's mouse is starting to ignore button presses already. :-< -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' <peter@sugar.hackercorp.com>.
barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) (12/20/90)
In article <hbrinch.0146@icoast.UUCP> hbrinch@icoast.UUCP (Henrik Brinch) writes: >Of course the mouse broke after 3 WEEKS! My Amiga mouse (almost 4 years old) has never broken. You probably just got a bad one. This is why warrantees exist. Dan
jseymour@medar.COM (James Seymour) (12/21/90)
I suspect that the problems you're having with your Amiga mouse is an isolated case. Mine has functioned flawlessly, as have those of the other Amiga owners I know. I've also compared an Amiga mouse with some of the "popular" mice on PeeCee's. For "feel" and functionality, I'll keep my Amiga mouse. -- Jim Seymour | Medar, Inc. ..!uunet!medar!jseymour | 38700 Grand River Ave. jseymour@medar.com | Farmington Hills, MI. 48331 CIS: 72730,1166 GEnie: jseymour | FAX: (313)477-8897
peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) (12/21/90)
Well, I gotta eat my words on this. I now have *two* Amiga mice that are losing the buttons. And I just opened my 1000 mouse, and lo and behold it's got a piece of tape on the top of the little dome switch. It must have started going, and I added a bit of tape to make the contact better. My 3000's mouse now has about 6 bits of tape on top of the switch and it's still a little flakey! So, that's 3 mice out of 3 where that stupid little rubber dome switch has gone early in the life cycle. It's beginning to look like a design flaw. Sigh... I hope the warranty covers this. -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' <peter@sugar.hackercorp.com>.
dac@prolix.ccadfa.oz.au (Andrew Clayton) (12/22/90)
In article <7344@sugar.hackercorp.com>, Peter da Silva writes: > So, that's 3 mice out of 3 where that stupid little rubber dome switch has > gone early in the life cycle. It's beginning to look like a design flaw. Why don't you splash out on an optical mouse? I purchased a Boing! Mouse ($A186 ~$US150) over a year ago, and it has performed wonderfully. Not having to clean it is a major plus. It's sometimes not _quite_ as accurate as a mechanical mouse, but the reliability of the switches, and the nice feel to it, makes this mouse a wonderful replacement for the C= version. BTW, I had one of the original A1000 mice, which was great, nice and solid, but used to need cleaning (even with Mousepad) at least once a month. One day I thought I'd give it a really GOOD cleaning, and noticed that the rollers came out. I pulled them out, cleaned them with meths, and found that getting them back in was slightly more difficult. So difficult in fact, that I BROKE one of the lugs that held the roller down. Damnation! I used a bit of matchstick and blu-tack to keep the roller in place (which was fine really), and went looking for a replacement mouse. I tried a Mighty Mouse, which was a $A79 mistake. It used COPPER plated contact driven tech, instead of optical rollers. When the SECOND one of those broke (first one replaced under warrenty), I forked over the $A186 for the Boing!, and haven't looked back. When I purchased my A2500/20 (on special), I got one of the new Commodore mouses. It was lightwheight and horrid. I gave it away with the Mighty Mouse to the purchaser of my A1000. (I kept the semi-broken A1000 mouse so that I can play two player Shanghai!) > Sigh... I hope the warranty covers this. As for C= mouse supplies... They're pretty bad. > Peter da Silva. `-_-' Dac _l _ _ Andrew Clayton. I post . ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au!Uprolix!dac (_](_l(_ Canberra. Australia. . . I am. Note: I cannot send or recieve MAIL to sites outside of Australia. Sorry.
ztsindi@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Bill Gant) (12/23/90)
Posted for Clayton J. Miner...Text to Follow ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Todd G Vaarwerk | Bitnet: ZTSINDI@UBVMS | | State University of | Internet: ZTSINDI@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU | | New York at Buffalo | VAARWERK@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Disclaimer: Believe what you want .. I trashed all my views of| | reality ages ago d8-) | ----------------------------------------------------------------- In article <1867ca57.ARN00574@prolix.ccadfa.oz.au>, dac@prolix.ccadfa.oz.au (Andrew Clayton) writes... >Why don't you splash out on an optical mouse? > >I purchased a Boing! Mouse ($A186 ~$US150) over a year ago, and >it has performed wonderfully. Not having to clean it is a major >plus. It's sometimes not _quite_ as accurate as a mechanical >mouse, but the reliability of the switches, and the nice feel to >it, makes this mouse a wonderful replacement for the C= version. > Regarding the optical mouse, I had heard that it had to be moved in something coming very close to right angles to be effective. Is this rue? Also, I keep hearing that they chew up a LOT of batteries. Any comments on this as well? +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Clayton J. Miner - Reality Engineer | +-------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | SysOp - Known World BBS | Bitnet: ZTSINDI@UBVMS | | (716)-883-3083 300-2400 | Internet: ZTSINDI@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU | +-------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | The views of this post are not those of the host organization. | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
dac@prolix.ccadfa.oz.au (Andrew Clayton) (12/23/90)
In article <52889@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU>, Bill Gant writes: > >I purchased a Boing! Mouse ($A186 ~$US150) over a year ago, and > Regarding the optical mouse, I had heard that it had to be moved in something > coming very close to right angles to be effective. Is this rue? Also, I keep > hearing that they chew up a LOT of batteries. Any comments on this as well? Partially correct. The left/right up/down alignment of the grid on the mousepad dictates how the mouse will react. I find that I can use it at any old angle, and not have any appreciable difficulty in pointing the pointer at gadgets and stuff. They do NOT chew through batteries, since they are powered by the Amiga itself, and dont HAVE batteries - you're possibly referrinmg to the cordless mouses that are advertised. Boing! mouses have a cable. > | Clayton J. Miner - Reality Engineer | -- _l _ _ // Andrew Clayton. Canberra, Australia. I Post . (_](_l(_ \X/ ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au!prolix!dac . . I am. -------- I cannot send or recieve mail to or from sites outside of Australia.
BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz (12/23/90)
In article <41604@ut-emx.uucp>, lshaw@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (logan shaw) writes: > In article <1990Dec18.185050.11886@convex.com> swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) writes: >>In article <hbrinch.0146@icoast.UUCP> hbrinch@icoast.UUCP (Henrik Brinch) writes: > >>>to hit the professional market with the A3000, but with the BAD reputation >>>that the Amiga Mouse has...I seriously doubt it'll happen! > >>I think you are listening to rumors that have no basis in fact. I've had >>my Amiga for five years and I have never heard of any pervasive problem with >>the Amiga mouse. > > Yeah, really! I've had my Amiga for about a year and a half and have NEVER > I have had 3 mice in 3 years. There are 2 major problems with the Amiga mice. 1) One of the rollers (the passive, pressure roller) cannot be cleaned effectively because it cannot be removed from its housing. 2) The "bubble switch" contacts are very poor, and often only marginally functional. Almost every Amiga mouse requires that the buttons be pressed in a certain way (which varies with each mouse), and it is possible to depress the buttons without the press registering. On my current mouse, this happens if the fingers ride to far back on the buttons. > Also, the Amiga itself handles having a mouse better than any other machine > I've ever seen. A serial mouse (on an IBM) is a joke, and the Mac mouse > pointer catches up with the mouse position in one big jump about 1/2 second > after you've moved it there. This has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the mouse. > > Well, anyway, that's what I think... > > -Logan > > -- Regards Alan > =----------------Logan-Shaw---(lshaw@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu)----------------= > "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not on thine own > understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him and he shall direct > thy paths" - Proverbs 3:5-6
conan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Robert Faulkner) (12/24/90)
>>In article <hbrinch.0146@icoast.UUCP> hbrinch@icoast.UUCP (Henrik Brinch) writes: > >>>to hit the professional market with the A3000, but with the BAD reputation >>>that the Amiga Mouse has...I seriously doubt it'll happen! Flame on .................... Come on people, lets get realistic here, the DAMN mouse is not gonna be the downfall to the A3000. It is gonna be poor Third Party and Manufacturer support along with a lack of quality software. Besides if the Computer is good enough, a buyer will spend a little more for a better pointing device. So all you skeptics out there who are freaking out about the mouse, chill and do something more productive, WRITE SOME GOOD CODE and get it out for use. Flame off ................... Thanks for the oppurtunity to air this opinionated response. -- Robert Faulkner conan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu /// Recursion: Thinking \\\/// University of Texas about \\// Amiga Computers Thinking
brian@sky.COM (Brian Pelletier) (12/27/90)
In article <17932@wehi.dn.mu.oz> BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz writes: > >I have had 3 mice in 3 years. There are 2 major problems with the Amiga mice. > >1) One of the rollers (the passive, pressure roller) cannot be cleaned >effectively because it cannot be removed from its housing. > >2) The "bubble switch" contacts are very poor, and often only marginally >functional. Almost every Amiga mouse requires that the buttons be pressed >in a certain way (which varies with each mouse), and it is possible to >depress the buttons without the press registering. On my current mouse, >this happens if the fingers ride to far back on the buttons. > >This has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the mouse. > >Regards Alan I know this is another of those 'religious' issues we computer types love to get all steamed about, but I'm going to reply to this anyhow. I've had two Amigas now (1000,2000) and the Amiga mouse is still my all-time favorite. I had a real prejudice against mechanical mice before I got my 1000, and now I feel just the opposite - I hate having to use the 2 optical mice here at work on my Sparcstation and my AT. I've never had any problems with having to press the buttons 'in a certain way' unless that certain way is DOWN. :-) The mechanical mice do need occasional cleaning, but I've never had much trouble doing it. Also, the mice have been extremely durable. My 1000 mouse especially took quite a beating (anyone remember swordfighting in Defender of the Crown??). Maybe I've just been lucky... Brian Pelletier, Hardware guy | Disclaimer: These are MY opinions, not SKY's. Sky Computer Chelmsford, MA | Amiga! UUCP: pelletier@grove.uucp (home) UUCP: brian@sky.com (work) | Plink: TACK
peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) (12/27/90)
The amiga mouse is a nice mouse, it feels great, and the roller mechanicals are very rugged. *BUT* those damn bubble switches have got to go. -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' <peter@sugar.hackercorp.com>.
tym@bruce.cs.monash.OZ.AU (Tim MacKenzie) (01/02/91)
In <17932@wehi.dn.mu.oz> BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz writes: >>>In article <hbrinch.0146@icoast.UUCP> hbrinch@icoast.UUCP (Henrik Brinch) writes: >> >I have had 3 mice in 3 years. There are 2 major problems with the Amiga mice. >2) The "bubble switch" contacts are very poor, and often only marginally >functional. Almost every Amiga mouse requires that the buttons be pressed >in a certain way (which varies with each mouse), and it is possible to >depress the buttons without the press registering. On my current mouse, >this happens if the fingers ride to far back on the buttons. The "bubble switch" contacts are rubbish and always have been. Why C= did not put proper micro-switch buttons in puzzles me. [ Maybe the poor quality of the rollers meant that the buttons would outlast them ;) ]. I installed micro-switch buttons in my mouse ~8 months ago, cost about $15 Oz, and can recommend them to all. They simply replace the existing switches and require a little filing down of the push-rods. Greetz. Tim MacKenzie tym@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au
liberato@dri.com (Jimmy Liberato) (01/02/91)
In article <41604@ut-emx.uucp> lshaw@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (logan shaw) writes: >In article <1990Dec18.185050.11886@convex.com> swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) writes: >>In article <hbrinch.0146@icoast.UUCP> hbrinch@icoast.UUCP (Henrik Brinch) writes: > >>>to hit the professional market with the A3000, but with the BAD reputation >>>that the Amiga Mouse has...I seriously doubt it'll happen! > >>I think you are listening to rumors that have no basis in fact. I've had >>my Amiga for five years and I have never heard of any pervasive problem with >>the Amiga mouse. > >Yeah, really! I've had my Amiga for about a year and a half and have NEVER >cleaned my mouse. I've never had _any_ problem with it whatsoever. >... Well, try playing Populous a lot if you want to induce failure in the stock Amiga mouse. Good mice have quality microswitches. Notice the proliferation of third-party mice in the Amiga marketplace? Why would there be any need if there weren't reliability problems or even just a desire for a better feel. The provided mouse and keyboard are disposable toys, play with them awhile and then throw them away! :-) -- Jimmy Liberato liberato@dri.com ...uunet!drivax!liberato
anlhille@amber.ucs.indiana.edu (Joseph BHillenburg) (01/02/91)
In article <VT6VBHY@dri.com>, liberato@dri.com (Jimmy Liberato) writes... |In article <41604@ut-emx.uucp> lshaw@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (logan shaw) writes: |>In article <1990Dec18.185050.11886@convex.com> swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) writes: |>>In article <hbrinch.0146@icoast.UUCP> hbrinch@icoast.UUCP (Henrik Brinch) writes: |The provided mouse and keyboard are disposable toys, play with them awhile and |then throw them away! :-) Sounds about like my uncle's '286. :) | |-- |Jimmy Liberato liberato@dri.com | ...uunet!drivax!liberato +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ | // Joseph Hillenburg, Secretary, Bloomington Amiga Users Group | | \X/ anlhille@ucs.indiana.edu anlhille@iurose.BITNET | | jph@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us | | "Have fun folks. It's the last time you'll be seeing this place" | +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
elson@otc.otca.oz (Elson Markwick) (01/03/91)
In article <7384@sugar.hackercorp.com> peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >The amiga mouse is a nice mouse, it feels great, and the roller mechanicals >are very rugged. *BUT* those damn bubble switches have got to go. Oh, I dunno - I think they'd be alright if they were just anchored a bit more firmly. All the problems I've ever had with them is a result of them coming adrift. I once had (and still do have) a joystick with those bubble switches for *everything*, but it needed to be opened periodically to reposition the bubbles - they were only held down with *tape* - can you beleive that in a A$30.00 joystick??? Just my 2c worth. -- Elson Markwick | The only good cat |ACSnet: elson@otc.otca.oz.au OTC R & D Unit |is a stir-fried cat|UUCP: {uunet,mcvax}!otc.otca.oz.au!elson Ph: 02 287 3142| ALF |Internet: elson%otc.otca.oz.au@uunet.uu.net Fax:02 287 3299| |Snail: GPO Box 7000, Sydney 2001, Australia
elson@otc.otca.oz (Elson Markwick) (01/03/91)
In article <3520@bruce.cs.monash.OZ.AU> tym@bruce.cs.monash.OZ.AU (Tim MacKenzie) writes: > >The "bubble switch" contacts are rubbish and always have been. Why C= did >not put proper micro-switch buttons in puzzles me. [ Maybe the poor quality >of the rollers meant that the buttons would outlast them ;) ]. I installed >micro-switch buttons in my mouse ~8 months ago, cost about $15 Oz, and can >recommend them to all. They simply replace the existing switches and require >a little filing down of the push-rods. If you think about, those bubble switches *are* a form of microswitch. If the bubbles aren't too fatigued, they act as an overcenter device much like the more traditional microswitch. I've had my 500 now (and it's mouse) for about 2 years now, and it was already 18 months old when I bought it. The left mouse button is just starting to go now, and I'm fairly sure that it will be reasonably easy to fix without replacing it. BTW, wouldn't you have to cut holes in the mouse pcb or at least change the buttons to get a microswitch to fit in there? The smallest microswitch I've ever seen is about 13mm long x 10mm high x 1.5mm wide - and I had a bitch of a job finding something that small. -- Elson Markwick | The only good cat |ACSnet: elson@otc.otca.oz.au OTC R & D Unit |is a stir-fried cat|UUCP: {uunet,mcvax}!otc.otca.oz.au!elson Ph: 02 287 3142| ALF |Internet: elson%otc.otca.oz.au@uunet.uu.net Fax:02 287 3299| |Snail: GPO Box 7000, Sydney 2001, Australia
itch@cbnews.att.com (richard.m.brack) (01/03/91)
In article <3520@bruce.cs.monash.OZ.AU> tym@bruce.cs.monash.OZ.AU (Tim MacKenzie) writes: > >The "bubble switch" contacts are rubbish and always have been. Why C= did >not put proper micro-switch buttons in puzzles me. [ Maybe the poor quality >of the rollers meant that the buttons would outlast them ;) ]. I installed >micro-switch buttons in my mouse ~8 months ago, cost about $15 Oz, and can >recommend them to all. They simply replace the existing switches and require >a little filing down of the push-rods. Well, I have had my Amiga (and mouse) for about 8 or 9 months and have had no problems with my buttons. What I have had trouble with is moving down or left (or both). When I try to do slow movements in these directions, something slips. I guess either the ball isn't rolling or the rollers inside aren't moving. This makes it almost impossible to do detailed work in a paint program. I have cleaned it several times and have always had a mouse pad. So now I'm thinking about getting either a Boing! optical or a track ball. Anyone out there using a track ball??? RichBrack -- { the itchman cometh /-/ _ i don't want to be your angel } { itch@cbnews.att.com /-/ _|_|_ i want to be your witch! } { att!cbnews!itch \-\/-/ ( * )tch -yello } { \/\/ /^\ }
mikep@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Mike Powell) (01/05/91)
To those who say they have had a perfect mouse for x years... consider yourself lucky.... The tech department at our local Amiga Dealer has a shelf FULL of dead mice... The Amiga mouse has always had some problems, and unfortunately, the bubble switches have been a pain since the early A1000 days.... This is a problem that should have been corrected long ago. I really like the design of the mouse and it's feel, but when it starts to flake out..... Ever have a mouse button 'jump' two or more times when closing a requester, only to find that the program's Close Box was located right under it.... causing the program to quit? That's no fun at all.... -Mike P-
clemon@lemsys.UUCP (Craig Lemon) (01/05/91)
In a message posted on 1 Jan 91 22:47:30 GMT, tym@bruce.cs.monash.OZ.AU (Tim MacKenzie) wrote: TM>In <17932@wehi.dn.mu.oz> BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz writes: TM>>>>In article <hbrinch.0146@icoast.UUCP> hbrinch@icoast.UUCP (Henrik Brinch) writes: TM>>> TM> TM>>I have had 3 mice in 3 years. There are 2 major problems with the Amiga mice. TM> TM>>2) The "bubble switch" contacts are very poor, and often only marginally TM>>functional. Almost every Amiga mouse requires that the buttons be pressed TM>>in a certain way (which varies with each mouse), and it is possible to TM>>depress the buttons without the press registering. On my current mouse, TM>>this happens if the fingers ride to far back on the buttons. TM> TM>The "bubble switch" contacts are rubbish and always have been. Why C= did TM>not put proper micro-switch buttons in puzzles me. [ Maybe the poor quality TM>of the rollers meant that the buttons would outlast them ;) ]. I installed TM>micro-switch buttons in my mouse ~8 months ago, cost about $15 Oz, and can TM>recommend them to all. They simply replace the existing switches and require TM>a little filing down of the push-rods. TM> TM>Greetz. TM>Tim MacKenzie TM>tym@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au I bought my B2000 in '87 (REV4.2) and my mouse has real switches in it. They're little button switches that are depressed by the same "arm" system used to depress the bubbles however. Believe me, they're not as good as you think. While I haven't had any lasting problems with them, occasionally (frequently sometimes), they refuse to work unless I hammer and then wiggle the button. Sometimes they double or triple click all by themselves. Usually this problem goes away after a few days and some contact cleaner however. While better than bubble these microswitches are really not to great either. We do have to realize though that switch life is rated in operations and mice are something used ALOT on the Amiga. What I would like to see is real switches used, like Microsoft mice for the IBM machines. They have a definite feel when contact is made and a nice soft travel that's easy to work with. -- Craig Lemon - Kitchener, Ontario. Amiga B2000/10--2400 bps--AmigaUUCP 1.03D clemon@lemsys.UUCP or lemsys!clemon@xenitec.on.ca | lsuc!xenitec!lemsys!clemon@cs.toronto.edu | Choose your path. ....!{uunet}!watmath!xenitec!lemsys!clemon |
aduncan@rhea.trl.oz (Allan Duncan) (01/07/91)
From article <7384@sugar.hackercorp.com>, by peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva): > The amiga mouse is a nice mouse, it feels great, and the roller mechanicals > are very rugged. *BUT* those damn bubble switches have got to go. > -- I'm still running my 1000 mouse from way back when. Over the years I have had to - Re-terminate _both_ ends of the cable (the flexing breaks it a few inches from the strain relief). The mouse end was easy, you just pull the cable through the strain relief, but the other end was a cow, with the moulded 90 deg. shape and soldered-in connector shielding. Replace the switches a couple of times. Although they are better than the dimples, they still fail. Completely remove the black plastic assembly to get at the idler wheel shaft to properly clean it (experience with a solder sucker essential). The 2000 here at work has dimples, and gave me trouble once, so I peeled back the sticky and cleaned them with alcohol. I then got a conversion kit, but the threat of it has kept the dimples honest, and it is still sitting in the drawer for a couple of years. Both mice have nickel plated brass rollers - I've seen samples of the steel ones in shops, and they are corroded easily. Lastest ones seem to be a plastic material - but I haven't seen a well-used one yet. Allan Duncan ACSnet a.duncan@trl.oz (03) 541 6708 ARPA a.duncan%trl.oz.au@uunet.uu.net UUCP {uunet,hplabs,ukc}!munnari!trl.oz!a.duncan Telecom Research Labs, PO Box 249, Clayton, Victoria, 3168, Australia.
cseaman@sequent.UUCP (Chris "The Bartman" Seaman) (01/08/91)
mikep@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Mike Powell) writes:
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<
< To those who say they have had a perfect mouse for x years...
< consider yourself lucky.... The tech department at our local
< Amiga Dealer has a shelf FULL of dead mice... The Amiga mouse
< has always had some problems, and unfortunately, the bubble switches
< have been a pain since the early A1000 days.... This is a problem
< that should have been corrected long ago. I really like the
< design of the mouse and it's feel, but when it starts to flake
< out..... Ever have a mouse button 'jump' two or more times when
< closing a requester, only to find that the program's Close Box
< was located right under it.... causing the program to quit?
< That's no fun at all....
My 2500 is nearly 2 years old (next month), and I never have had
any trouble with the mouse...until last week. Then the left bubble
switch gave up the ghost. After reading the many horror stories
of third party mice (and their praise as well), I decided it wasn't
worth spending $100 (or even $60 or $40) to fix what is in essence
a $2 part.
I therefore dissassembled the thing, removed the old switches, and
replaced them with microswitches similar to those used in the current
generation of Microsoft mice.
Of course, this meant a slight modification to the mouse board and to
the stems on the actual buttons, which would obviously void a warranty
(if you still have one), but it was WELL WORTH THE EFFORT. If feel as
if I have a completely new mouse, and the responsiveness is excellent.
Naturally, this exercise is not for those unfamiliar with a soldering
iron, but anyone who is considering a replacement mouse should at
least CONSIDER this first. I've always liked the 'feel' of the
Amiga mouse (having used Logitech and Microsoft mice extensively),
and hated the thought of giving it up. Now I feel I have the best
solution (assuming, of course that the reason you are replacing your
mouse is because of malfunctioning buttons :-) ).
Regards,
Chris
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