guy@ns.network.com (Guy D'Andrea) (02/23/91)
So what is this I hear about the Educational prices Ok'd for purchasing single items... not just whole systems? I heard this started Feb. 2nd and is to go through April 1st.? I just called my local dealer and they said Commodore changed their minds and will NOT do it now. What is going on??? You tell me? If it is valid, give me a name + number so I can call them myself please. Thankyou -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Guy Dandrea @ Network Systems Corp., 7600 Boone Ave No, Mpls. MN 55428 guy@nsco.network.com #129.191.1.1 (612)424-4888 Fax:(612)424-1736
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (02/23/91)
In article <1991Feb22.171128.11944@ns.network.com> guy@ns.network.com (Guy D'Andrea) writes: >So what is this I hear about the Educational prices Ok'd for purchasing >single items... not just whole systems? I heard this started Feb. 2nd and >is to go through April 1st.? I just called my local dealer and they said >Commodore changed their minds and will NOT do it now. What is going on??? >You tell me? If it is valid, give me a name + number so I can call them >myself please. Thankyou > Not that I've heard. They may change their mind after April 1, but for now it is still on. Insist that your dealer put the order through anyway, and if Commodore doesn't accept it, it isn't their problem, so they have no excuse for not doing it. > >-- >_____________________________________________________________________________ > Guy Dandrea @ Network Systems Corp., 7600 Boone Ave No, Mpls. MN 55428 > guy@nsco.network.com #129.191.1.1 (612)424-4888 Fax:(612)424-1736 -- Ethan Q: What's the definition of a Quayle? A: Two right wings and no backbone.
lou@vaxsc (02/23/91)
In article <1991Feb22.171128.11944@ns.network.com> guy@ns.network.com (Guy D'Andrea) writes: >So what is this I hear about the Educational prices Ok'd for purchasing >single items... not just whole systems? I heard this started Feb. 2nd and >is to go through April 1st.? I just called my local dealer and they said Huh? I apologize, I just crawled out from under my pet rock, and realized that I'd been sleeping too long. So, the next line (predictably) is, does anyone have the list of items/prices for this offer? Email to the Internet address below, if possible. (Sorry, the local dealer here is over an hour away, and long distance, or I'd ask them directly.) Thanx Ahead! ---------------------------------------------------------------- -Lou Williams Via Bitnet : william8@niehs.bitnet Via Internet: lou@vaxsc.niehs.nih.gov Computer Sciences Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC ---------------------------------------------------------------- -Sometimes in order to feel better about yourself, you have to make others feel bad, and I'm tired of making others feel good about themselves. -Homer Simpson. ----------------------------------------------------------------
bigbroth@babcock.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (James M. Coleman) (02/23/91)
From article <1991Feb22.173743.17495@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, by es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita): > In article <1991Feb22.171128.11944@ns.network.com> guy@ns.network.com (Guy D'Andrea) writes: >>So what is this I hear about the Educational prices Ok'd for purchasing >>single items... not just whole systems? I heard this started Feb. 2nd and >>is to go through April 1st.? I just called my local dealer and they said >>Commodore changed their minds and will NOT do it now. What is going on??? >>You tell me? If it is valid, give me a name + number so I can call them >>myself please. Thankyou >> > Not that I've heard. They may change their mind after > April 1, but for now it is still on. Insist that your dealer put > the order through anyway, and if Commodore doesn't accept it, it > isn't their problem, so they have no excuse for not doing it. > >> >>-- >>_____________________________________________________________________________ >> Guy Dandrea @ Network Systems Corp., 7600 Boone Ave No, Mpls. MN 55428 >> guy@nsco.network.com #129.191.1.1 (612)424-4888 Fax:(612)424-1736 > > > -- Ethan I have just gone through the same headache. The local Educational dealer knew nothing about a new program but called Commodore to find out. While I was waiting for them to return my call I decided to call Commodore and find out for myself what the status is. I called their main office around 12:00~1:00 today Friday 22 and was told that the Educational program scheduled to go in effect February 1st did not really go into effect. It is being revamped and will be released Early in March. The person I spoke with was not much help and had a hard time committing to much of anything. When I called back the local dealer I pretty much got the same story with one additional note, Howard Diamond, as well as some of his staff have been fired for a lack of results. NOTE: this was from a dealer NOT Commodore so I am not 100% sure of it's truth. Either way, would someone of authority from Commodore please update us to the status of the Educational program and get the word out to the dealers. I had the feeling that the dealer I spoke with was as upset as I was about not being to answer my questions. Jim Coleman A story for the Education people at Commodore: This is a story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody. There was an important job to do and Everybody was asked to do it. Everybody was sure Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it. But Nobody did it. Somebody got angry at that because it was Everybody's job. Everybody thought Anybody could do it. But Nobody realized Everybody wouldn't do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- If Commodore were to come out with a shirt-pocket, 100 MIPS Amiga with 20 megs of memory and 1 gig of disk, and sold it for $300, the first thing the industry would ask is "Is it IBM compatible?". ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (02/23/91)
In article <1364@babcock.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu> bigbroth@babcock.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (James M. Coleman) writes: >When I called back >the local dealer I pretty much got the same story with one additional >note, Howard Diamond, as well as some of his staff have been fired for >a lack of results. NOTE: this was from a dealer NOT Commodore so I am >not 100% sure of it's truth. There were many reasons for Howard Diamond leaving the company. I do not believe that lack of results was the main issue, nor can I discuss any of them. 8-) However, on the optimistic note, Paul Calkin is his replacement. (Assuming I remember everything properly) Paul has been with Commodore for appr. 1 year, having come from AT&T where he had a strong Unix background. Paul Calkin has decided to reverse many of the directions of the educational group. The price list you see released was created under Howard Diamond's direction and Mr. Calkin wants much of it changed. The educational marketing people are still in "transition" and so there is naturally a state of some confusion. I wouldn't expect it to last long. I trust these people to get things in order. > Jim Coleman > > >A story for the Education people at Commodore: > >This is a story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and >Nobody. There was an important job to do and Everybody was asked to do it. >Everybody was sure Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it. But >Nobody did it. Somebody got angry at that because it was Everybody's job. >Everybody thought Anybody could do it. But Nobody realized Everybody >wouldn't do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did >what Anybody could have done. > No comment on that, either. 8-) > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >If Commodore were to come out with a shirt-pocket, 100 MIPS Amiga >with 20 megs of memory and 1 gig of disk, and sold it for $300, >the first thing the industry would ask is "Is it IBM compatible?". >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- I like it. 8) -- Ethan Q: What's the definition of a Quayle? A: Two right wings and no backbone.
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (02/25/91)
In article <21751@wehi.dn.mu.oz> BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz writes: > >This whole thing disapoints me. It was clear HD was doing _something_. >It is equally clear Paul Calkin is doing _absolutely nothing_. After all, >an education program which is not witnessed by the education people (ie >most of those on the net) is next to useless. > >Can someone (anyone?) post a list of PC's achievements in his position >as head of education marketing? Has he arranged the penetration of a >_single_ machine in his month of executive salary? How many sales has >he _prevented_ by renegging on a publically anounced pricing? > >My own workplace is sticken by a plague of petty administrative fluff. >In my view, someone who does nothing should earn nothing. > If your guesses were right, I'd be angry too, however I believe you are totally off base. He has had less than a month in his position within education. Because ONE dealer somewhere said that the new price list was cancelled (which it is not) everyone is screaming. You say it is clear that Paul Calkin is doing absolutely nothing? What basis do you say this on? He is obviously doing something since it is blatantly obvious that he is totally changing the pricing structure. And for good reason. Dealer's don't currently want to be in the educational program, or at least many are complaining. The price list as it now standads gives them virtually nothing for the work they put in. Customers end up being treated without any hint of service and dealers either leave the program or leave business. There is a problem. Paul Calkin is taking a different direction to running the company than did Howard Diamond. It is as simple as that. To insult a person and to accuse him (essentially) of incompetency and to imply that he should be fired after only about 3 weeks is ridiculous, especially considering that you (and for the most part I as well) have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. BTW, you're in OZ! Whadda you care! 8-) >Regards Alan -- Ethan Q: What's the definition of a Quayle? A: Two right wings and no backbone.
jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) (02/25/91)
In article <21751@wehi.dn.mu.oz> BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz writes: >This whole thing disapoints me. It was clear HD was doing _something_. >It is equally clear Paul Calkin is doing _absolutely nothing_. After all, >an education program which is not witnessed by the education people (ie >most of those on the net) is next to useless. I advise waiting until the new plan comes out before bitching. Paul was head of Unix Marketing (I think) before this, which has been fairly closely tied to Education, and has been doing fairly well it seems. Give the guy a chance first before trashing him. I admit the timing was at least unfortunate, but that happens at times. Not the opinions of Commodore, as usual, etc. I have never met Paul (that I know of). -- Randell Jesup, Keeper of AmigaDos, Commodore Engineering. {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!jesup, jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com BIX: rjesup The compiler runs Like a swift-flowing river I wait in silence. (From "The Zen of Programming") ;-)
sparks@disk.uucp (John Sparks) (02/26/91)
With all this talk about the educational pricing, I just wanted to say:
I just bought an Amiga 3000 + 1950 monitor on Feb 12. I got individual pricing
(no bundles) and I got to take it from the dealer's stock. I did not have to
pay any shipping but I did have to pay sales tax for KY (6%) total price:
$3204.38
The price was cheaper than the bundle used to be, but by the time I paid
sales tax it was higher. The old price was 3039 + 15 shipping
If they did cancel the new pricing, then I just got in under the wire.
I wish I could have gotten the old pricing. I wonder what the pricing is now?
did they go back to the old pricing? Or not selling ed discounts at all till
they work out the new prices?
I will miss Howard Diamond. I wish him well wherever he goes.
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*Online Games*Usenet*Email*Chatting*Downloads*Supporting all computers*pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic) (02/26/91)
In a previous article, es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) says: > Paul Calkin has decided to reverse many of the directions >of the educational group. The price list you see released was >created under Howard Diamond's direction and Mr. Calkin wants >much of it changed. The educational marketing people are still in Does Mr. Calkin want to increase prices? -- Pete Babic - pab@po.cwru.edu /// I'd rather be SKIING!! | /// /\ Member of A.C.E. | \\\ /// /--\MIGA (American Coaster Enthusiasts) | \\\/// The future is here now!
birjt@cc.newcastle.edu.au (02/26/91)
In article <1991Feb25.060630.9222@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: > In article <21751@wehi.dn.mu.oz> BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz writes: >> >>This whole thing disapoints me. It was clear HD was doing _something_. >>It is equally clear Paul Calkin is doing _absolutely nothing_. After all, >>an education program which is not witnessed by the education people (ie >>most of those on the net) is next to useless. >> >>Can someone (anyone?) post a list of PC's achievements in his position >>as head of education marketing? Has he arranged the penetration of a >>_single_ machine in his month of executive salary? How many sales has >>he _prevented_ by renegging on a publically anounced pricing? >> >>My own workplace is sticken by a plague of petty administrative fluff. >>In my view, someone who does nothing should earn nothing. >> > If your guesses were right, I'd be angry too, however I > believe you are totally off base. He has had less than a month in > his position within education. Because ONE dealer somewhere said > that the new price list was cancelled (which it is not) everyone > is screaming. > You say it is clear that Paul Calkin is doing absolutely > nothing? What basis do you say this on? He is obviously doing > something since it is blatantly obvious that he is totally > changing the pricing structure. And for good reason. > Dealer's don't currently want to be in the educational > program, or at least many are complaining. The price list as it > now standads gives them virtually nothing for the work they put > in. Customers end up being treated without any hint of service > and dealers either leave the program or leave business. > There is a problem. Paul Calkin is taking a different > direction to running the company than did Howard Diamond. It is > as simple as that. To insult a person and to accuse him > (essentially) of incompetency and to imply that he should be > fired after only about 3 weeks is ridiculous, especially > considering that you (and for the most part I as well) have no > idea what goes on behind closed doors. Hello, Although I agree with you that anybody new to a job should be given a fair chance. I think it is appropriate, here, to point out that Alan's views are probably biased by C= OZ's well established belief that, quotes here coz I think its company policy, "when in doubt shaft the customer". What possibly addsto the upset is that we were finally getting prices that could be reasonably compared to those in the US. But, I'm a bloody optomist so I will wait and see. Russell, BIRJT@cc.newcastle.edu.au > > BTW, you're in OZ! Whadda you care! 8-) I care! 8~^{ > >>Regards Alan > > > -- Ethan > > > Q: What's the definition of a Quayle? > > A: Two right wings and no backbone. We got a Hawke here that acts like a vulture!
BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz (02/27/91)
In article <9659.27ca3042@cc.newcastle.edu.au>, birjt@cc.newcastle.edu.au writes: > In article <1991Feb25.060630.9222@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: >> In article <21751@wehi.dn.mu.oz> BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz writes: >>> >>>This whole thing disapoints me. It was clear HD was doing _something_. Rant rant rant... >>>My own workplace is sticken by a plague of petty administrative fluff. >>>In my view, someone who does nothing should earn nothing. >>> >> If your guesses were right, I'd be angry too, however I >> believe you are totally off base. He has had less than a month in >> his position within education. Because ONE dealer somewhere said >> that the new price list was cancelled (which it is not) everyone Soap box preach, preach preach ;-) >> There is a problem. Paul Calkin is taking a different >> direction to running the company than did Howard Diamond. It is >> as simple as that. To insult a person and to accuse him >> (essentially) of incompetency and to imply that he should be >> fired after only about 3 weeks is ridiculous, especially >> considering that you (and for the most part I as well) have no >> idea what goes on behind closed doors. > > Hello, > > Although I agree with you that anybody new to a job should be given a > fair chance. I never got one any where I've worked, but I guess I could learn to adapt... > I think it is appropriate, here, to point out that Alan's > views are probably biased by C= OZ's well established belief that, quotes > here coz I think its company policy, "when in doubt shaft the customer". > > What possibly addsto the upset is that we were finally getting prices that > could be reasonably compared to those in the US. But, I'm a bloody optomist > so I will wait and see. > > And Russel's words need just a little further explanation. For some reason, C='s policies are VERY dependent on C= USA. If there isn't an ed program there isn't one here. > Russell, > BIRJT@cc.newcastle.edu.au > >> >> BTW, you're in OZ! Whadda you care! 8-) > I'm emigrating. > I care! 8~^{ He cares, and he's not even emigrating. See what caring people we are? >> >>>Regards Alan Regards me again. >> >> >> -- Ethan >> >> >> Q: What's the definition of a Quayle? >> >> A: Two right wings and no backbone. I wish you'd change that. How about something about the Gulf war? > > We got a Hawke here that acts like a vulture!