[comp.sys.amiga.hardware] Are Flopticals Vaporware?

Harvey_Taylor@mindlink.UUCP (Harvey Taylor) (03/23/91)

There are several High Capacity Floppies that have been announced &
some of which you can buy. In no particular order:

    1) Brier
    2) Insite
    3) Panasonic
    4) Konica
    5) NEC

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1) Brier
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    [Available to OEMs as far as I know.]
    Brier Technology
    2363 Bering Drive
    San Jose, CA 95131
    (408)435-8463

CAPACITY unformatted    25.0 meg
        formatted       21.4 meg
CONFIGURATION
 Number of disks                        1
 Data Surfaces                          2
 Data heads                             2
 Servo System                           T^3
 Tracks per surface                     516
 Track density (TPI)                    777
 Track capacity (bytes typical)         20480
 Blocks per drive (512 byte)            42080
 Blocks per surface (512 byte)          21040
 Blocks per track (typical 512 byte)    40
MEDIA (flexible diskette)               3.5"
PERFORMANCE
 Actuator                               Linear voice coil motor
 Seek time (includes setting)
        Track to track (ms)             15
        Average (ms)                    35
        Maximum (ms)                    70
 Average latency (ms)                   41.6
 Rotation speed (RPM)                   720
 Data transfer rate
  To/From the media (megabits/sec)      2.2
  To/from the buffer (megabytes/sec)    1.25
 Start time                             1 sec
 Stop time                              1 sec
READ/WRITE
 Interface                              SCSI
 Recording method                       BRLL
 Recording density (BPI)                26000
COMPATIBILITY the BR3225 (not BR3020) reads IBM formatted floppy disks
Dimensions L: 5.75", W: 4.0", H: 1.625"
        Weight: 1.6 pounds
Power requirements (*)
 DC Input       +12 volts DC +5 volts DC
 Power dissipation   <9 watts (operational-seeking)
  *  Power management algorithms reduce power to an average of 2.0 watts
    for typical applications.

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2) Insite
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    [Available to OEMs as far as I know.]

    Insite Peripherals
    4433 Fortran Drive
    San Jose, CA 95134-2302
    (408)946-8080

CAPACITY unformatted    25 megs
        formatted       20.8 megs
Recording density       23980 BPI (RLL)
Transfer from DISK      1.6 Mbit/Sec
Buffer transfer rate    2 Mbyte/Sec
Average Seek time       65 msec
Settle time             15 msec
Motor start time        750 msec
# of read/write heads   2
Track density           1250 TPI
Cylinders               755
Tracks                  1510
Rotational speed        720 rpm
Power dissipation       6 watt average
Data reliability        <1 error unrecoverable error per 10**11 bits
Seek errors             <1 error per 10**6 seeks
Drive dimensions        H: 1.625"  W: 4.0"  D 5.91"

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3) Panasonic
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    [Not yet released as far as I know.]

    Panasonic Industrial Co.
    Memory Systems Division
    1600 McCandless Drive
    Milpitas, CA 95035
    (408) 262-2200

The Memory Systems Division of Panasonic Industrial Co.  recently announced
a  disk  drive  that will put 11 megabytes of data on a newly developed 3.5
inch  metal  floppy disk.  The large capacity floppy disk drive, called the
3511,  is  equipped  with  an  embedded  SCSI controller and encoder with a
micro-stepping  motor, and has a self-formatting function to initialize the
media, according to the company.

The  3511  large-capacity  floppy  disk drive is also read-only compatible
with  conventional  1-megabyte  and 2-megabyte 3.5 inch disks, according to
Panasonic  Industrial.   The  magnetic  media,  which  has  an  unformatted
capacity  of  16  megabytes, has a formatted capacity of 11 megabytes and a
linear  recording  density  of 35,000 bits per inch with 640 tracks on each
side,  according  to  the  company.  The metal disk and two recording heads
increase  the  linear recording density, and a micor-stepping motor with an
encoder  allows  high-speed  access  and high-precision tracking of plus or
minus 2 micrometers.

The   3511's  average  access  time  is  less  than  60  milliseconds  and
track-to-tack  time  is  less  than 10 milliseconds, according to Panasonic
Industrial.   The  drive's  data  transfer  rate  is 2 megabits per second,
according  to  the company.  Evaluation units of the 3511 floppy disk drive
will  be  available  in  the  second  quarter,  with  production quantities
scheduled for July.  The 3511 drive will list for $250.

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4) Konica
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    [Still available?]

        The drive, Konica KT-510, is a 10 meg floppy which uses a SCSI
interface.  The diskettes are standard type 5 1/4" floppies with a 650
oersted rated media and are specially formatted by Konica with 480 tracks
per inch.  The diskettes contain special optical coding which is used in
conjunction with the optical tracking mechanism on the drive itself.  The
optic system maintains info on direction, velocity and location.  Thus, the
drive can accurately seek to tracks and sectors despite the high data
density.  Diskettes are typically high level formatted at 350 tracks of 30
sectors each.  The head mechanism is driven by a voice coil actuator and
has an average seek of 75 ms and an average track-to-track of 20 ms.  Thus,
it is quite similar to an ST-225's specs.  The motor runs at 600 RPM.  With
special drivers the drive can be downward compatible to read 48 or 96 tpi
diskettes. Mounting is similar to any 5 1/4" floppy drive.

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5) NEC
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    [Not yet released as far as I know.]
    NEC
    1414 Massachusetts Ave.
    Boxborough, MA 01719
    (508)264-8939

    Embedded servo data
    12 Mbyte
    Barium-Ferrite 3.5" disks
    431 tpi
    360 rpm


    References:
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    Byte, Oct 1990, Page 301, Megafloppies by Stephen Satchell
    Byte, Sept 1990, Page 188, Stor/Mor Review
    A Guide to Optical Storage Technology by J.A. McCormick
            Dow-Jones-Irwin 1990, ISBN 1-55623-320-5

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    Pointers to other high capacity floppies would be appreciated.
    -het

   "Kill them all! God will know his own." -the Abbot of Citeaux

 Harvey Taylor      Meta Media Productions
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PYC118@uriacc.uri.edu (Rasiel) (03/23/91)

Well the subject says it all. Anyone got any more info on this long-heard-of
drive that can use regular 3.5" floppies or special 20 meg disks? If this
product ever hits the shelf I cannot see why in the world anyone would ever
need a hard drive. Unless of course this special media is too expensive.
I first heard of this drive last year and back then it was rumored to be out
'soon' (in computerese terms). This baby's gotta be the storage answer to
computers barring all but the prohibitively expensive R/W optical CD's, no?
Rasiel (Am I getting to be a nuisance? :))

ckp@grebyn.com (Checkpoint Technologies) (03/23/91)

In article <48596@nigel.ee.udel.edu> Rasiel <PYC118@uriacc.uri.edu> writes:
>Well the subject says it all. Anyone got any more info on this long-heard-of
>drive that can use regular 3.5" floppies or special 20 meg disks? If this
>product ever hits the shelf I cannot see why in the world anyone would ever
>need a hard drive.

Obviously you've never been in the presence of a 660 Meg 15ms 1.5MB/s
hard drive.  Sometimes you've just gotta have one.

(I have on info on the Floptical, sorry.)
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DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu (03/24/91)

In article <48596@nigel.ee.udel.edu>, PYC118@uriacc.uri.edu (Rasiel) says:

>drive that can use regular 3.5" floppies or special 20 meg disks? If this
>product ever hits the shelf I cannot see why in the world anyone would ever
>need a hard drive. Unless of course this special media is too expensive.

Well, for one thing the floptical is much slower than a typical hard drive.
Another problem is that the media wears out in a month if you use it like
a hard drive. (According to a user of a 10MB 51/4 drive). Also, it's fairly
expensive (>$300 in 1000s). For that price you could get an 80MB hard drive,
at least. The media is supposed to be very cheap, though (eventually).

On the other hand, like everyone else, I want one. :-)

-- Dan Babcock

stevek@amiglynx.UUCP (Steve Krulewitz) (03/26/91)

Are there any prices availible on any of thoes drives?  Also, if I wanted to
buy one - I have a Supra Hard Card with a Quantum controller - could I use it
with the Amiga?  Do the proper handlers/mountlists exist?

  -=+ Steve Krulewitz +=- -=+ Fair Lawn, NJ +=- -=+
                                     UUNET!tronbox!amiglynx!stevek.UUCP +=-

jhaubric@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (John Haubrich) (03/27/91)

Howdy!  I called Insite today (26 Mar 91) and talked to one of their sales 
people.  She said evaluation units of their floptical would start shipping
on May 15 with OEM-only sales starting in August.  Her "best guess" at a
retail price was $600US for the drive and $20-$25 per floptical diskette.
She added that the company hopes to bring the price down to around $300 
within a year or so.

When I asked about Commodore-Amiga support, she said "Commodore has announced
that they're going to be one of our first OEM customers."  I guess that means
I have to wait until August to replace my Seacrate but that's OK since I have
no cash anyway :)

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