wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (William A Warner) (03/23/91)
From a phone conversation with ReadySoft, I found out that not only is C= supposedly going to be releasing a 3.5" High Density 1.76 Meg floppy drive in the near future, but it will be replacing the stock floppy in all future 3000's sold! The AmaxII+ should be released in latter April and will support that C= HD drive!!! There was no talk of AE HD floppy drive support. Won't that be great! We'll have HD Amiga,IBM,& Mac 3.5" floppies to get mixed in with our LowDens Amiga,Ibm,Mac 3.5" floppies! No more making sure that the right switches are set when formatting floppies on those MS-Dos machines that have HD drives in them. This is not a joke and I am not making this up. This was just told to me over the phone, therefore time will probably be the best confirmation! Unless someone at C= would like to speak up now and yell "LIAR!" -- Art Warner wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu Amiga makes it happen.......IBM, Mac, Sun, and Next make it expensive! -- Art Warner wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu Amiga makes it happen.......IBM, Mac, Sun, and Next make it expensive!
ckp@grebyn.com (Checkpoint Technologies) (03/23/91)
In article <1991Mar22.214507.10761@en.ecn.purdue.edu> wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (William A Warner) writes: >From a phone conversation with ReadySoft, I found out that not only is C= >supposedly going to be releasing a 3.5" High Density 1.76 Meg floppy >drive in the near future, but it will be replacing the stock floppy in all >future 3000's sold! >This was just told to me over the phone, therefore time will probably be >the best confirmation! Unless someone at C= would like to speak up now >and yell "LIAR!" I read that the Amiga 3000T (announced at CeBIT) has this drive, so I believe it's official. What I wanna know is: Does this mean a new Paula chip, or a SCSI interfaced floppy drive, like the Insite? -- First comes the logo: C H E C K P O I N T T E C H N O L O G I E S / / ckp@grebyn.com \\ / / Then, the disclaimer: All expressed opinions are, indeed, opinions. \ / o Now for the witty part: I'm pink, therefore, I'm spam! \/
jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) (03/25/91)
In article <1991Mar22.214507.10761@en.ecn.purdue.edu> wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (William A Warner) writes: >From a phone conversation with ReadySoft, I found out that not only is C= >supposedly going to be releasing a 3.5" High Density 1.76 Meg floppy I wonder how they got 1.76M? Wasn't AE trying for 1.76M, but found they couldn't make it work so they dropped back to something lower? -- * From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | "You know I never knew Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | that it could be so 37 Brook Street | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms | strange..." Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | (R.E.M.)
peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) (03/25/91)
In article <1991Mar23.150300.6691@grebyn.com> ckp@grebyn.com (Checkpoint Technologies) writes: >In article <1991Mar22.214507.10761@en.ecn.purdue.edu> wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (William A Warner) writes: >>From a phone conversation with ReadySoft, I found out that not only is C= >>supposedly going to be releasing a 3.5" High Density 1.76 Meg floppy >>drive in the near future, but it will be replacing the stock floppy in all >>future 3000's sold! >>This was just told to me over the phone, therefore time will probably be >>the best confirmation! Unless someone at C= would like to speak up now >>and yell "LIAR!" > >I read that the Amiga 3000T (announced at CeBIT) has this drive, so I >believe it's official. > >What I wanna know is: Does this mean a new Paula chip, or a SCSI >interfaced floppy drive, like the Insite? No, it's a special drive: in HD mode it goes half speed. So you get the capacity but not the speed adavantage of a HD drive. -- Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to \\ Only my personal opinions... Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) (03/27/91)
In article <jms.3713@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes: >In article <1991Mar22.214507.10761@en.ecn.purdue.edu> wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (William A Warner) writes: >>From a phone conversation with ReadySoft, I found out that not only is C= >>supposedly going to be releasing a 3.5" High Density 1.76 Meg floppy >I wonder how they got 1.76M? Wasn't AE trying for 1.76M, but found they >couldn't make it work so they dropped back to something lower? Well, it's actually 1.72M, if your M=megabytes. Twice 880K is logically what you would expect in a double density drive. I gather AE had trouble, possibly due to trouble maintaining a constant 1/2 speed. You might need a heavier flywheel kind of thing to run at the slower speed accurately, at least with the same motor. If you're involved in the design of the drive, though, you may have a number of solutions that work good. -- Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests" {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy "That's me in the corner, that's me in the spotlight" -R.E.M.
groenewo@fwi.uva.nl (Ferry van het Groenewoud) (03/27/91)
Is the 1.76 Mb HD amiga floppy able to read real Mac-formatted Mac-disks?
Can I hook up a HD drive to my A500?
What will be the price of the drive?
Will it be able to format DD disks with HD capacity (ie. will it look for
the hole in HD disks or not? I hope it won't).
--
Mac. The noise of a wrong calibration. PS/2. You can't see the new thing.
IBM. The toys of a dead generation. Sun. You can't feel the beating.
NeXT. The choice cause of bad information. Atari. You'll need some healing.
Amiga. For boys with real imagination. __ Amiga. You can reach the ceiling.
__/ /
Ferry van het Groenewoud \__/ groenewo@fwi.uva.nl xgr39@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU (Marc Barrett) (03/28/91)
In article <1991Mar27.141826.11339@fwi.uva.nl>, groenewo@fwi.uva.nl (Ferry van het Groenewoud) writes: >Is the 1.76 Mb HD amiga floppy able to read real Mac-formatted Mac-disks? >Can I hook up a HD drive to my A500? >What will be the price of the drive? >Will it be able to format DD disks with HD capacity (ie. will it look for >the hole in HD disks or not? I hope it won't). More handy would be the ability to use MAC-formatted 1.44M disks under A-Max. All of the MACs here have SuperDrives, which allows you to store 1.44M of data on HD disks, and it is very annoying to not be able to read these disks on my Amiga under A-Max. BTW, when will these Commodore-produced HD drives be coming out? It is about time, since HD drives have been available for IBM and MAC systems for about three years. But, I guess a mere three years late is pretty good for Commodore. > >-- >Mac. The noise of a wrong calibration. PS/2. You can't see the new thing. >IBM. The toys of a dead generation. Sun. You can't feel the beating. >NeXT. The choice cause of bad information. Atari. You'll need some healing. > >Amiga. For boys with real imagination. __ Amiga. You can reach the ceiling. > __/ / >Ferry van het Groenewoud \__/ groenewo@fwi.uva.nl -MB-
macdona@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca (magundi ( John A A MacDonald )) (03/28/91)
In article <1991Mar28.034314.11053@news.iastate.edu> xgr39@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU writes: > > > -MB- Oh no! tell me it isn't so. the dreaded scourge of c.s.a is back. life has no meaning anymore
JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu (03/28/91)
I haven't been following this discussion of the High Density drive, but my ques tion is, is this an internal or external drive? Or are there both types? I wa s interested in an internal for my 3000. Jason Koszarsky, JBK4@PSUVM
peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) (03/28/91)
In article <1991Mar27.141826.11339@fwi.uva.nl> groenewo@fwi.uva.nl (Ferry van het Groenewoud) writes: >Is the 1.76 Mb HD amiga floppy able to read real Mac-formatted Mac-disks? No idea, I rather doubt it. As far as I know, this drive only knows two speeds, full and half, but a Mac drive needs more fine tuning of the speed? >Can I hook up a HD drive to my A500? Don't know precisely, but that's perhaps possible. >What will be the price of the drive? No idea. (You know you rarely get an answer for such questions :-) >Will it be able to format DD disks with HD capacity (ie. will it look for >the hole in HD disks or not? I hope it won't). No, you definitely need HD disks. DD's really can't hold that much of data, else this would have been common for some years already. -- Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to \\ Only my personal opinions... Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) (03/29/91)
In article <1991Mar28.034314.11053@news.iastate.edu> xgr39@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU writes: >HD drives have been available for IBM and MAC systems for >about three years. But, I guess a mere three years late is pretty good for >Commodore. And Apple and IBM are/were 5 years late bringing out a real multitasking PC. So what? You can't be state-of-the-art in every area all at once. Marc, can't you EVER write a letter that doesn't slam Commodore at the end? Followups to you-know-where. Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett, Department of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University | | INTERNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu | | | COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/////////////////////////////////////
wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (William A Warner) (03/29/91)
In article <1991Mar27.141826.11339@fwi.uva.nl> groenewo@fwi.uva.nl (Ferry van het Groenewoud) writes: >Is the 1.76 Mb HD amiga floppy able to read real Mac-formatted Mac-disks? Yes and No! By itself it can't, but with the support of the AmaxII+ it will. >Can I hook up a HD drive to my A500? I am not sure about CBM's support for this new drive. I do know that it is presently available in the 3000T and soon will be standard in all future 3000's. I was also told that the support is already included with current 3000's sold. >What will be the price of the drive? I don't know what CMB's price is going to be, but I have priced the OEM drive to less than $60 !! >Will it be able to format DD disks with HD capacity (ie. will it look for >the hole in HD disks or not? I hope it won't). It will of course look for the hole in the disk. Lets think about this for a minute.....with this HD floppy drive and AmaxII+ you'll be able to: Read & Write Amiga, MS-dos, & Mac Double & High density disks!!! -- Art Warner wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu Amiga makes it happen.......IBM, Mac, Sun, and Next make it expensive!
groenewo@fwi.uva.nl (Ferry van het Groenewoud) (03/30/91)
peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) writes: >In article <1991Mar27.141826.11339@fwi.uva.nl> groenewo@fwi.uva.nl (Ferry van het Groenewoud) writes: >>Will it be able to format DD disks with HD capacity (ie. will it look for >>the hole in HD disks or not? I hope it won't). >No, you definitely need HD disks. DD's really can't hold that much of >data, else this would have been common for some years already. I disagree. It IS common practice here to make a hole in a DD disk so that a HD drive thinks the DD disk is a HD disk. I know some guys that do this. It turned out that it was even possible to use DD white label disks (very cheap disks) and format them HD. It reminds me of the good old C64 time. Noone ever bought double sided disks, just single sided. Make a hole in it and use it double-sided. I NEVER have had problems. So let there be a little switch on the drive to turn out the checking. Michael van Elst wrote to me: |The Mac doesn't write its 400k and 800k disks in a constant density. |one would need more than two different motor speeds to adapt the Amiga |disk controller to that format. |Nevertheless, then Mac can use 1.44M disk (using a constant density) |and these disks can be written by the Amiga hardware. It's a matter |of software then to format the disks. |The HD-drive can read/write normal 880k amiga floppies and it uses |two drive speeds to achieve that. But the exactly two different speeds |are different from what you need for the Mac 800k format. | |Regards, | Michael van Elst Maybe this clears up things a little (thanks Michael). >-- >Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to \\ Only my personal opinions... >Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk -- Mac. The noise of a wrong calibration. PS/2. You can't see the new thing. IBM. The toys of a dead generation. Sun. You can't feel the beating. NeXT. The choice cause of bad information. Atari. You'll need some healing. Amiga. For boys with real imagination. __ Amiga. You can reach the ceiling. __/ / Ferry van het Groenewoud \__/ groenewo@fwi.uva.nl
FelineGrace@cup.portal.com (Dana B Bourgeois) (03/30/91)
> -MB- slams CBM at the end of his letter
I liked everything about your letter, -MB-, except that uncalled-for
slap at the end. Please learn some net-manners, quit being a jerk,
and continue posting to your heart's desire. Even calling for more
improvements, faster product development, and better marketing. S'OK
with me. Just, y'know, mellow out.
Dana Bourgeois @ cup.portal.commrush@ecst.csuchico.edu (Matt "C P." Rush) (03/30/91)
In article <1026@cbmger.UUCP> peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) writes: >In article <1991Mar27.141826.11339@fwi.uva.nl> groenewo@fwi.uva.nl (Ferry van het Groenewoud) writes: [ lots o' deletions ] > >>Will it be able to format DD disks with HD capacity (ie. will it look for >>the hole in HD disks or not? I hope it won't). > >No, you definitely need HD disks. DD's really can't hold that much of >data, else this would have been common for some years already. Yes they can! It's not a good idea, and not safe for the long term, but if you're just transporting few megabytes of files down to your local NeXT (or other system running HD/ED drives) SOME DD disks can take it. However, the drive SHOULD be checking for that hole anyway. Let's just have it documented so some of us can BYPASS the switch :-) That's another thing, any chance these new drives could do ED (2.88 MB)? I know that would mean running at QUARTER speed, but some sacrifices are worth it for that extra capacity... -- C P. mrush@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu And of course you take this information at YOUR OWN RISK!
jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) (04/02/91)
In article <1991Mar28.220301.5555@en.ecn.purdue.edu> wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (William A Warner) writes: >In article <1991Mar27.141826.11339@fwi.uva.nl> groenewo@fwi.uva.nl (Ferry van het Groenewoud) writes: >>Is the 1.76 Mb HD amiga floppy able to read real Mac-formatted Mac-disks? >Yes and No! By itself it can't, but with the support of the AmaxII+ it will. >>What will be the price of the drive? >I don't know what CMB's price is going to be, but I have priced the OEM drive >to less than $60 !! Careful, it's not a "standard" PC HD drive, it's a special hacked drive that spins almost amusingly slow (Paula can only handle a 250Kbps data rate, so the only way to up capacity without a total reimplementation of Paula is to run the drive slowly.) >>Will it be able to format DD disks with HD capacity (ie. will it look for >>the hole in HD disks or not? I hope it won't). >It will of course look for the hole in the disk. Yup. The FS even auto-changes size on disk-insertion. -- Randell Jesup, Keeper of AmigaDos, Commodore Engineering. {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!jesup, jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com BIX: rjesup Disclaimer: Nothing I say is anything other than my personal opinion. Thus spake the Master Ninjei: "To program a million-line operating system is easy, to change a man's temperament is more difficult." (From "The Zen of Programming") ;-)
uzun@pnet01.cts.com (Roger Uzun) (04/03/91)
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Can the new HD disk for the A3000 read/write 1.44M MS-DOS floppies?
With Dos-2-Dos or CrossDOS I imagine, or some utility that C= packages
with it?
-Roger
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