gsgi_cif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Gregory Gibson) (03/07/90)
I just purchased the Amiga 2500/30 system from commodore's eduactional
package. I might like to buy a mutlisync monitor to go with it. I need
suggestions. I've reviewed the the diamond scan and the NEC 3d which
sell for about 500 - 600 dollars and I know the dealer sells the Panasync.
I would appreciate any advice or information you can give me...
Thank you,
Greg Gibson gsgi_cif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
gsgi_ltd@uordbv.bitnet
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ROCHESTER, NY 14627 gsgi_ltd@uordbv.bitnet lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (09/25/90)
In <4ati9QW00WBK43iZF5@andrew.cmu.edu>, cl3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Chee Lee) writes: >I have seen an extremely CHEAP VGA monitor (Magnovox) priced at $300, at >the local SEARS store. > >Can anyone tell me: > > Can a standard VGA monitor be used for the Amiga 500s and 2000s, if >supplied with the proper cables? No, or at least not as-is or with just a cable. The VGA monitors require a 31.5 KHz horizontal scan frequency. You can do it, but not unless you use something like a flickerFixer (easy on the 2000, requires hardware hacking on the 500) > And is there a difference between a VGA monitor and a Multisync monitor? Yes. A Multisync will handle both 15.75 KHz and 31.5 KHz horizontal scan frequencies. The standard 500 and 2000 both use 15.75 KHz. -larry -- It is not possible to both understand and appreciate Intel CPUs. -D.Wolfskill +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | // Larry Phillips | | \X/ lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca -or- uunet!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | | COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 -or- 76703.4322@compuserve.com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
chucky@isc-br.ISC-BR.COM (Chuck Yorlano) (10/13/90)
I am looking for a good multisync monitor for my amiga 2500. I would like the monitor to have good dot pitch resolution, good color, and minimal black boarder. Please email any suggestions. I am thinking about the Sony 1304, could anyone using a 1304 please let me know how you like it. Some other monitors I heard about are the: Samsung Multisync Nec 3D Taxan 770 plus Can anyone comment on any of these three. Thanks in advance, Chuck Yorlano
navas@cory.Berkeley.EDU (David C. Navas) (10/14/90)
In article chucky@isc-br.ISC-BR.COM (Chuck Yorlano) writes: >Please email any suggestions. Sorry, but a lot of people ask for this information quite frequently, and thought this would be of general interest. >Sony 1304 >Samsung Multisync >Nec 3D >Taxan 770 plus >Can anyone comment on any of these. I have seen the Sony 1304, Seiko (1450? -- the one that uses Sony's tube), and the NEC 3D. For the price I'd choose either over the NEC3D. To get to its 1024x768 mode, the NEC 3D has to interlace its display. Also the Sony has a .25 dot pitch, the NEC's is .28. Unless you want your interlaced display back, I wouldn't suggest the NEC 3D. I'm personally waiting for the NEC 4D, anyone know where I can BUY one NOW? [Nobody seems to know when NEC will start to ship them again...] There is a PC magazine with an April and May issue about monitors that might be worthwhile to check out. [Whichever PC mag. that has PC Labs report in it] David Navas navas@sim.berkeley.edu "Excuse my ignorance, but I've been run over by my train of thought." -me
hull@hao.hao.ucar.edu (Howard Hull) (10/16/90)
By the way, has anyone seen/done a survey of monitors available in the USA that can handle PAL (i.e., can display 575 lines + typical overscan)? I've asked various dealers in the area, but none of them seem to know of one that really works... If you know of one that works, you could post a short note to identify it. If you have information identifying ones that won't work, email will be fine, and I'll collect the data and post it (if I get any). Thanks Howard Hull hull@ncar.ucar.edu
DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu (10/16/90)
Commodore's monitor (1084) certainly works. In fact it does better than most by auto-sizing. But it's certainly not the only one. I'm using PAL with my Sony KV-1311CR. As a matter of fact, I've never heard of a monitor that doesn't work in both NTSC and PAL, though I'm sure there are some if you look hard enough. -- Dan Babcock
h112706@assari.tut.fi (Herranen Henrik) (10/17/90)
In article <8800@ncar.ucar.edu> hull@hao.hao.ucar.edu (Howard Hull) writes: >By the way, has anyone seen/done a survey of monitors available in the USA >that can handle PAL (i.e., can display 575 lines + typical overscan)? I've >asked various dealers in the area, but none of them seem to know of one that >really works... If you know of one that works, you could post a short note >to identify it. If you have information identifying ones that won't work, >email will be fine, and I'll collect the data and post it (if I get any). >Thanks Howard Hull > hull@ncar.ucar.edu At least Nec Multisync II (NOT 2A!) and Nec Multisync 3D work just fine... -- Henrik 'Leopold' Herranen Internet: h112706@lehtori.tut.fi Snail Mail: TTKK/Paarakennuksen neuvonta/PL527/33101 Tampere/Finland "I don't need no arms around me, I don't need no drugs to calm me" - PF 1979
hull@hao.hao.ucar.edu (Howard Hull) (10/20/90)
In article <1990Oct17.034618.8358@assari.tut.fi> h112706@assari.tut.fi (Herranen Henrik) writes: > >... Monitors that can handle PAL: > >At least Nec Multisync II (NOT 2A!) and Nec Multisync 3D work just fine... > >-- >Henrik 'Leopold' Herranen Internet: h112706@lehtori.tut.fi Well, I didn't get any critical email with respect to monitors distributed in the USA that won't do PAL, but I did get some information from Steve Hillman that enabled me to figure out the problem with my Mitsubishi Diamondscan - something which turned out instead to be a problem with the A2620 '020 accel card in particular, and my particular memory configuration in general. To begin with, for testing the PAL mode I had captured from the net just two programs for PAL, one called PALboot, and one called PAL. The PALboot program was supposed to set some words in the write protected soft ROM scratchpad so that on the next warm reboot AmigaDOS will signal FANG to go PAL. It was an unfortunate consequence of something in the A2620 boot software, I think, but this setting was being reset to NTSC on every soft reboot. (Just out of curiousity, does anyone know it the A2630 does this too?) Worse yet, trying to boot with the A2620 68000 boot option dismissed the 2meg A2620 32-bit ram and left the machine with 1 Meg of entirely chip ram. All Amigas clear chip ram on reboot - so the flag did not survive that way either. This meant that there was no way to use PALboot on the machine on which I was trying to test the PAL mode. The PAL program was designed to change the bit on the fly, but of course it would do this after the Workbench size was already set to NTSC limits. Curiously, Morerows was not effective in extending the video cutoff point beyond 464 lines (this is probably an NTSC copperlist cutoff limit), though it was possible to slide windows some distance down into the zone below the cutoff part (that's the part at the bottom which was blanked to color 0) when the Morerows program was used to get large amounts of overscan. Having determined this, I decided to install the NTSC pal hardware switch across J102. After opening case, I discovered the same thing about that jumper pad pair that I earlier discovered about the 1 meg FANG pad pair, for my rev level of the A2000 motherboard (4.something), (newer bords are ok) namely that there were no posts, no holes drilled, and, in this case, the pads were under the soldermask. I had to scrape that away, I then had to solder switch wires flat to the pads. The first time I tried it after that, I discovered that either of the switch positions measured a short. An quick look with a magnifying glass revealed that, as in the case of the FANG pads, there was a trace between the jumper pads. So I had to cut that out with an Xacto knife. Thus PAL mode is with the switch open, I discovered, since after putting everything back together for the third time, it finally worked and Morerows allowed the Mitsubishi Diamondscan to show 560 lines with the vertical size turned down all the way and the screen drag bar beginning with the first line. So I guess I'll have to take back half the bad things I ever said about the Mitsubishi Diamondscan, and just have a cow the next time I talk about CBM. And yes, after this, I do believe that the Mitsubishi Diamondscan is the best Amiga monitor. Why? Because it not only syncs to NTSC (allowing one to look at VCR playback), it has a separate BNC input for it, and it does the sync-up without clicking any relays. Additionally, it has the smallest "black border" I've seen on any Multisync when used at scan rates of 31.5KHz and higher. It seems that all of them change the size of the scan as the scan frequency input changes, forcing one to do a lot of VSIZE and HSIZE twiddling when switching among video signals with differing scan rates. (So then, do the clicking relays in the NEC compensate for _that_?) Howard Hull hull@ncar.ucar.edu
jeremy@math.lsa.umich.edu (Jeremy Teitelbaum) (03/21/91)
I'm preparing to buy an Amiga 3000. I want to buy a really top quality monitor with it. For example, my Sun IPC monitor (which is make by Sony, I think) is 8 bit planes deep, has 1152x900 pixels at 90 dpi, and is 16" diagonal. Can I buy a comparable monitor for the amiga? Who makes one? Cost estimate? Will I need to buy an extra card to drive such a monitor? Will the resulting system work fine with amiga software (so I can run games, etc. on this big monitor, as well as getting good sharp TeX previewing and great Maple graphics.) Note that I plan to run under AmigaDOS, not UNIX. Thanks for any suggestions. Jeremy Teitelbaum Math Dept. U. of Illinois -- Chicago Chicago, IL 60680 312-996-2371
yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) (04/10/91)
Well my monitor died a horriable death. So i need to get another one. The obvious choice is get another CBM amiga one. But that's tooo easy.. What OTHER companies, and Monitors are out there? From all i know about amiga Monitoes ANY RGB-ANALOG will work Well anyone out there using NON-CBM monitors? (I kinda need a Smaller (Height wise) one then the CBM's) (and i DON'T need speakers, VIdio in, ect) Well i've never seen this topic discussed in detail... So Discussion??? (Pleeze) -- yorkw@ecn.purdue.edu aka Willis F York aka Squid on IRC The only thing that Apple invented is the idea to borrow Xerox-invented ideas. (Hope THIS sig don't insult anyone!) :^)
metahawk@itsgw.rpi.edu (Wayne G Rigby) (04/10/91)
In article <yorkw.671222802@stable.ecn.purdue.edu> yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) writes: >What OTHER companies, and Monitors are out there? > >From all i know about amiga Monitoes ANY RGB-ANALOG will work > >Well anyone out there using NON-CBM monitors? > >(I kinda need a Smaller (Height wise) one then the CBM's) >(and i DON'T need speakers, VIdio in, ect) > >Well i've never seen this topic discussed in detail... >So Discussion??? (Pleeze) > >-- >yorkw@ecn.purdue.edu aka Willis F York aka Squid on IRC >The only thing that Apple invented is the idea to borrow Xerox-invented ideas. >(Hope THIS sig don't insult anyone!) :^) I use a Magnavox model # CM8762 074G Used it with my C128, and then just got a different cable to hook it up to an A2000. Worked fine. Magnavox makes several RGB monitors, and I'm sure Panasonic makes them too. The Magnavox I use has RGB and composite video input plus speakers, but it's only about 1/4 inch shorter than the 1084. Price is probably around $200 now, if this model is still made. Metahawk metahawk@rpi.edu
GB03@NS.CC.LEHIGH.EDU (George Philip Bluhm) (04/10/91)
I use a Mitsubishi Diamond scan on a 3000. Nice supports all mode, ntsc,vga and analog. Saves having an extra monitor for DCTV vidio capture. Denials and other protection invoked from the gods.
dtiberio@eeserv1.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) (04/11/91)
In article <_hcg4w_@rpi.edu> metahawk@itsgw.rpi.edu (Wayne G Rigby) writes: >In article <yorkw.671222802@stable.ecn.purdue.edu> yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) writes: >>What OTHER companies, and Monitors are out there? >> >>Well anyone out there using NON-CBM monitors? >> >>-- >>yorkw@ecn.purdue.edu aka Willis F York aka Squid on IRC >>The only thing that Apple invented is the idea to borrow Xerox-invented ideas. >>(Hope THIS sig don't insult anyone!) :^) > >I use a Magnavox model # CM8762 074G I have a Magnovox model # CM8764 074G, and compared to the 1084, mine is a piece of garbage. It has digital and composite inputs, but no analog, so I am forced to use the ugly composite inputs and get blurry pictures. Has anyone used the digital inputs before? I hear you only get 16 colors (or is that IBM propoganda). I used it with a 128 also. >Used it with my C128, and then just got a different cable to hook it up >to an A2000. Worked fine. Magnavox makes several RGB monitors, and I'm >sure Panasonic makes them too. > >The Magnavox I use has RGB and composite video input plus speakers, but >it's only about 1/4 inch shorter than the 1084. Price is probably >around $200 now, if this model is still made. > > Metahawk > metahawk@rpi.edu -- David Tiberio SUNY Stony Brook 2-3481 AMIGA DDD-MEN Tomas Arce Any students from SUNY Oswego? Please let me know! :) Un ragazzo di Casalbordino, Italia.
chucky@isc-br.ISC-BR.COM (Chuck Yorlano) (04/26/91)
I am monitor hunting for my Amiga 3000 and looking for some advice. Could someone please tell me the Horizontal scan rates on the Sony CPD 1302 & 1304 and the Seiko 1440 and 1450. Also, what are the advantages/disadvantages of getting a Sony 1304 instead of a Sony 1302 or getting a Seiko 1440 instead of a 1450. Is there much difference in quality between the Sony and Seiko monitors? How does the Nec 3D compare? Thanks Chuck
maxc1503@ucselx.sdsu.edu (David Tse) (04/28/91)
chucky@isc-br.ISC-BR.COM (Chuck Yorlano) writes: >I am monitor hunting for my Amiga 3000 and looking for some advice. >Could someone please tell me the Horizontal scan rates on the >Sony CPD 1302 & 1304 and the Seiko 1440 and 1450. 1302 goes down to 15KHz, 1304 doesn't. Seiko similarly, but I forgot the model. >Also, what are the advantages/disadvantages of getting a Sony 1304 instead of >a Sony 1302 or getting a Seiko 1440 instead of a 1450. instead of going down more, new ones go up more, like the 1304, to work with the non-interlaced 1024x768 mode on IBM compatible video board. >Is there much difference in quality between the Sony and Seiko monitors? you have to hook up a computer, and look carefully before you buy it anyway. they are all very good, but I think a little diff. >How does the Nec 3D compare? not as bright in color, nor in dot-pitch. but have memory and auto sizing control, not cylindrical screen, big side border not to be filled. >Thanks >Chuck check for bented corners, especially on upper right hand corner, most bent under overscan signal (even nothing is display /not using overscan, but the signal is, and the background color is). I prefer Sony/Trinitron tube ones. David