lcs@remus.rutgers.edu (Lyle C. Seplowitz) (05/23/91)
I'm going to buy the Amiga 3000 on the Power Up deal probably this
Friday (at least order the machine on Friday). I was originally
planning to purchase the 1950 monitor along with the computer.
However, a friend strongly urges that I look for a better monitor. The
dealer is selling the 1950 for $595 plus $40 for the speakers. Can
someone recommend another monitor that works in ALL Amiga modes for
around the same price. I've heard the NEC 4D is an excellent
monitor. What about the Seiko CM 1440, 45, or 50?
From what little I has seen of the 1950 it looked nice. The only thing
I could see wrong is the the first half of the first scan line
flickered only on the Workbench screen. I've also heard that some
other monitors might reduce the flicker in interlace mode (the 1950
screen did noticeably flicker when the screen was interlaced).
Please respond via my email address: lcs@remus.rutgers.edu
Thanks!
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Everything stated or expressed in this post is strictly my opinion or viewpointsaunders@triton.unm.edu (Richard Saunders CIRT) (05/24/91)
In article <May.22.23.13.16.1991.19737@remus.rutgers.edu> lcs@remus.rutgers.edu (Lyle C. Seplowitz) writes: > >I'm going to buy the Amiga 3000 on the Power Up deal probably this >Friday (at least order the machine on Friday). I was originally >planning to purchase the 1950 monitor along with the computer. >However, a friend strongly urges that I look for a better monitor. The >dealer is selling the 1950 for $595 plus $40 for the speakers. Can >someone recommend another monitor that works in ALL Amiga modes for >around the same price. I've heard the NEC 4D is an excellent >monitor. What about the Seiko CM 1440, 45, or 50? Don't know about other monitors ... > >From what little I has seen of the 1950 it looked nice. The only thing >I could see wrong is the the first half of the first scan line >flickered only on the Workbench screen. I've also heard that some >other monitors might reduce the flicker in interlace mode (the 1950 >screen did noticeably flicker when the screen was interlaced). > >Please respond via my email address: lcs@remus.rutgers.edu >Thanks! >-- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > :) :( :> :< :] :[ ;) :| :? :} :{ :* :^) :^( :+ :-) :\ :/ :! > l c s @ r e m u s . r u t g e r s . e d u >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Everything stated or expressed in this post is strictly my opinion or viewpoint But my 1950 is doing pretty good. The flicker you mention at the top line of the Workbench (which I originally had as well) can be fixed by turning the fine-tuning screw in the back of the 3000. I would like to mention after being on for say, 6 hours or so, the 1950 diplay would start to "flicker" slightly, and I was extremely frustrated that my brand new monitor did this. I noticed that the Monitor was pretty hot on top, and (this may sound looney) blowing on it fixed it for a second. So I went out and bought a little fan to blow some air through, and my 1950 has given me no problems since. Apparently, it needs a little more circulation. * saunders@triton.unm.edu * "This is _NOT_ Mel Torme!" - Top Secret
nfs1675@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil (Michael S Figg) (05/24/91)
In article <May.22.23.13.16.1991.19737@remus.rutgers.edu>, lcs@remus.rutgers.edu (Lyle C. Seplowitz) writes: > > I'm going to buy the Amiga 3000 on the Power Up deal probably this > Friday (at least order the machine on Friday). I was originally > planning to purchase the 1950 monitor along with the computer. . . > around the same price. I've heard the NEC 4D is an excellent > monitor. What about the Seiko CM 1440, 45, or 50? > I'm also doing research right now on the right monitor for a 3000. From what people here and on CIS have said, it sounds like the NEC 3D is the standard for a good multiscan monitor. The 4D was highly recommended by one individual but isn't in the same price range, it is more like $1150 -1200 mail order. A couple of friends have recommended Seiko's and I went to see one at a dealer yesterday. The salesman told me they aren't carrying many of the Seiko's (1440) now and pointed me towards an Optiquist 2000. This monitor looked good (on a PC running Windows 3.0) and he promised that it was a true multiscan monitor. The specs (which I took home and don't have with me now) show three possible horizontal scan rates (31.5, 35, and 48 I believe) which I think indicates that it is a tri-scan and not a multiscan monitor. After all that I'm just considering the Seikos and the NEC 3D at this point. > Please respond via my email address: lcs@remus.rutgers.edu ---Mike, -- | Michael Figg DSAC-FSD My Karma ran over your Dogma! | DLA Systems Automation Center | Cols, Ohio mfigg@dsac.dla.mil | CIS: 73777,360
aaron@stat.tamu.edu (Aaron Hightower) (05/25/91)
In article <3252@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil> nfs1675@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil (Michael S Figg) writes: >In article <May.22.23.13.16.1991.19737@remus.rutgers.edu>, lcs@remus.rutgers.edu (Lyle C. Seplowitz) writes: >> >> I'm going to buy the Amiga 3000 on the Power Up deal probably this >> Friday (at least order the machine on Friday). I was originally >> planning to purchase the 1950 monitor along with the computer. > . > . >> around the same price. I've heard the NEC 4D is an excellent >> monitor. What about the Seiko CM 1440, 45, or 50? >> > > I'm also doing research right now on the right monitor for a 3000. From >what people here and on CIS have said, it sounds like the NEC 3D is the >standard for a good multiscan monitor. The 4D was highly recommended by one I have one on my 3000 - the best/money buy is the NEC 3D "PERIOD" >individual but isn't in the same price range, it is more like $1150 -1200 >mail order. A couple of friends have recommended Seiko's and I went to see >one at a dealer yesterday. The salesman told me they aren't carrying many of >the Seiko's (1440) now and pointed me towards an Optiquist 2000. This monitor WATCH OUT for the Optiquest!!! It works great in Sync Modes above 31Khz, but in the mode that the Amiga3000 requires, ***YOU CANNOT ADJUST THE SIZE OF THE SCREEN*** DO NOT BUY THE CRAPPY OPTIQUEST! Unless you enjoy using only a small portion of your display. If windows was in a resolution greater than 640x400, chances are that it may have been in super-vga and it would adjust just fine in this mode. >looked good (on a PC running Windows 3.0) and he promised that it was a true >multiscan monitor. The specs (which I took home and don't have with me now) >show three possible horizontal scan rates (31.5, 35, and 48 I believe) which >I think indicates that it is a tri-scan and not a multiscan monitor. After >all that I'm just considering the Seikos and the NEC 3D at this point. > Everyone I know who has been through this agrees, "Don't buy the 1950, don't buy the Optiquest!!!, BUY the NEC 3D!!!" I would suggest the NEC 2D above the Optiquest or the (C=) 1950 BTW... > | Michael Figg DSAC-FSD >My Karma ran over your Dogma! | DLA Systems Automation Center > | Cols, Ohio mfigg@dsac.dla.mil > | CIS: 73777,360 Heard on TV this evening: 1st> My hot water heater isn't working; can you help? 2nd> Sure! Let me see a resume and I'll see what I can find... I just uploaded the new version of my "Yet Another Tetris Clone" that is friendly about needing a bunch of sprites. Check it out on ab20 /incoming or /amiga/games -> "yatc.lzh" The game plays tetris by itself and has a training mode to show you how to play.
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Blaine Gardner) (05/25/91)
aaron@stat.tamu.edu (Aaron Hightower) writes: [the eternal quest for A3000 monitors] >> I'm also doing research right now on the right monitor for a 3000. From >>what people here and on CIS have said, it sounds like the NEC 3D is the >>standard for a good multiscan monitor. The 4D was highly recommended by one >Everyone I know who has been through this agrees, "Don't buy the 1950, >don't buy the Optiquest!!!, BUY the NEC 3D!!!" Not everyone. I suggest taking a look at the Sony CPD-1302. The NEC has a few more frills, but the Sony has much brighter colors (this goes for any monitors that are using the Sony Trinitron tube). Also take a close look at the horizontal frequency range of any monitors you're interested in. Typically they will have a range of 15-30 KHz or 30-60 KHz. If things like the 1280 pixel mode, or video toys like HAM-E or DCTV are important to you, you need the 15-30 KHz range. If you don't care about 15 KHz compatibility, and are interested in possible future display enhancements (like the U Lowell board), then maybe the 30-60 KHz range would be better. Personally I've used the 15 KHz output on my A3000 about 5 minutes in 11 months. I probably should have bought the CPD-1304 (30-60 KHz) instead of the CPD-1302 (15-30 KHz). -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com BIX: blaine_g DoD #46 My other motorcycle is a Quadracer. FJ1200 Now I know why they are called BUTTERflys!
frankjr@neon.Stanford.EDU (Frank AnthonyJr Busalacchi) (05/26/91)
In comp.sys.amiga.hardware you write: > I'm also doing research right now on the right monitor for a 3000. From >what people here and on CIS have said, it sounds like the NEC 3D is the >standard for a good multiscan monitor. The 4D was highly recommended by one >individual but isn't in the same price range, it is more like $1150 -1200 >mail order. A couple of friends have recommended Seiko's and I went to see >one at a dealer yesterday. The salesman told me they aren't carrying many of >the Seiko's (1440) now and pointed me towards an Optiquist 2000. This monitor >looked good (on a PC running Windows 3.0) and he promised that it was a true >multiscan monitor. The specs (which I took home and don't have with me now) >show three possible horizontal scan rates (31.5, 35, and 48 I believe) which >I think indicates that it is a tri-scan and not a multiscan monitor. After >all that I'm just considering the Seikos and the NEC 3D at this point. You guys may want to look into a monitor that I was running on my 2000 with the deinterlacer. The monitor is made by TVM and is called the Supersync 5 I believe. The monitor is a 15" that goes up to 1024x768 non-interlaced. It is virtually flat (one of the flatest I have seen), has good brightness, and a dot pitch of .28 . Now comes the best part..... It cost $565 + tax. Now the disadvantages... It cant handle the 15 hz sync rate (too low...) big deal... For a 15" multisync with great brightness, excellent color, and for all intents and purposes, a flat screen, $565 +tax is an excellent buy for a good monitor. I feel that I may be making people think that the monitor isn't really flat, just close. The literature on the monitor even claims that it is a flat-square monitor. I got the monitor at a local dealer for $565, it could probably be purchased for even less than that. The name of the store was COMP USA. -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Frank A Busalacchi Jr. (415)__497-6304 | | Email Address: frankjr@neon.stanford.edu __/// | | Undergraduate Computer Science Student, Stanford University \XX/ Amiga | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Frank A Busalacchi Jr. (415)__497-6304 | | Email Address: frankjr@neon.stanford.edu __/// | | Undergraduate Computer Science Student, Stanford University \XX/ Amiga |
maxc1503@ucselx.sdsu.edu (David Tse) (05/31/91)
saunders@triton.unm.edu (Richard Saunders CIRT) writes: >But my 1950 is doing pretty good. The flicker you mention at the top line >of the Workbench (which I originally had as well) can be fixed by turning >the fine-tuning screw in the back of the 3000. Tune the vertical size and position, not the screw on 3000, that's for overall adjustment, read the manual Intro. to A3000. The top line flicker has been a long thread here, there is no real cure yet, being inside the Amber chip, again, you can only hide it by monitor adjustment. >I would like to mention after being on for say, 6 hours or so, >the 1950 diplay would start to "flicker" slightly, and I was >extremely frustrated that my brand new monitor did this. >I noticed that the Monitor was pretty hot on top, and (this may sound >looney) blowing on it fixed it for a second. >So I went out and bought a little fan >to blow some air through, and my 1950 has given me no problems since. >Apparently, it needs a little more circulation. >* saunders@triton.unm.edu * "This is _NOT_ Mel Torme!" - Top Secret What does that flicker look like? it could be many reason. David
maxc1503@ucselx.sdsu.edu (David Tse) (05/31/91)
aaron@stat.tamu.edu (Aaron Hightower) writes: >I have one on my 3000 - the best/money buy is the NEC 3D "PERIOD" You think it is so good that no other monitor worths considering? Do you work for NEC? Don't you think Sony / Seiko are also worth looking at? >WATCH OUT for the Optiquest!!! It works great in Sync Modes above 31Khz, >but in the mode that the Amiga3000 requires, ***YOU CANNOT ADJUST THE SIZE >OF THE SCREEN*** DO NOT BUY THE CRAPPY OPTIQUEST! Unless you enjoy using >only a small portion of your display. If windows was in a resolution >greater than 640x400, chances are that it may have been in super-vga and >it would adjust just fine in this mode. >>all that I'm just considering the Seikos and the NEC 3D at this point. >> If you like Seiko, Sony is almost similar, having the same screen, the 1302 goes down to 15kHz mode, and thus supports all A3000 modes. >Everyone I know who has been through this agrees, "Don't buy the 1950, >don't buy the Optiquest!!!, BUY the NEC 3D!!!" >I would suggest the NEC 2D above the Optiquest or the (C=) 1950 BTW... >> | Michael Figg DSAC-FSD >>My Karma ran over your Dogma! | DLA Systems Automation Center >> | Cols, Ohio mfigg@dsac.dla.mil >> | CIS: 73777,360 >Heard on TV this evening: 1st> My hot water heater isn't working; can you help? > 2nd> Sure! Let me see a resume and I'll see what I > can find... >I just uploaded the new version of my "Yet Another Tetris Clone" that >is friendly about needing a bunch of sprites. Check it out on ab20 /incoming >or /amiga/games -> "yatc.lzh" The game plays tetris by itself and has a >training mode to show you how to play. Not that the NEC 3D is not good, I'm typing this on the original NEC multisync, but "PERIOD" is a bit heavy. David