masaru@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Masaru Sugai) (06/02/91)
Hi.
I'm seriously thinking about home network environment for my Amiga. I have
A3000/16 (2MB CHIP, 4MB FAST) and SAS C 5.10a and would like to hook it up
to NeXT for resource sharing plus TCP/IP software development. Eventually
I might get 040 coprocessor then AmigaUNIX when they are available in the
market, but I would stick to AmigaDOS for the time being. Under the said
circumstances, i have several concerns on acquiring these.
Ethernet board(A2065):
(1) Is it possible to use thin ethernet cable ? [I saw 3000UX two months
ago, but i'm not sure it was a BNC connector.]
TCP/IP software(AS225):
(2) Can I rmount AmigaDOS file systems on UNIX partitions ? [I heard NFS
supports only client side, so this should be yes.]
(3) Can I rlogin/telnet/ftp to AmigaDOS from UNIX side ? [As AmigaDOS
is a true multitask OS, this should be a cake.]
Development Kit
(4) How can i get a developers' environment such as libraries and technical
docs ? [I hope they are part of AS225 though.]
(5) What is its interface like ? I haven't experienced TCP/IP other than UNIX
platform.
Upgrade plan
(6) What are pros and cons of AmigaDOS as a platform instead of AmigaUNIX ?
I believe AmigaDOS servers outperforms on the corresponding UNIX ones,
if they are programmed properly,
(7) Are there other tips which I should know before hand provided I upgrade
to either 040, AmigaUNIX or both. ?
Misc.
(8) Are there any PDS which I can take advantage of from my investment ?
[ I heard both AmigaNOS and Amiga-X11 require TCP/IP software, but I'm
noy sure of the exact requirement.]
I would like to appreciate any help. Especially comments from real users
are much helpful. Thanks in advance.
--
-- Masaru Sugai:Use disclaimer. CIS 72050,2141:NeXT + A3000 = money-eater
NEC Corporation:sugai@ccs.mt.nec.co.jp DORMANT:hardwired logic,machine language
MIT R.Affiliate:masaru@media-lab.media.mit.edu: "Silicon on Sapphire" by CLASHyurkon@CYCVAX.NSCL.MSU.EDU (06/07/91)
In article <1991Jun2.135559.7521@news.media.mit.edu>, masaru@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Masaru Sugai) writes... > > Hi. > > I'm seriously thinking about home network environment for my Amiga. I have >A3000/16 (2MB CHIP, 4MB FAST) and SAS C 5.10a and would like to hook it up >to NeXT for resource sharing plus TCP/IP software development. Eventually >I might get 040 coprocessor then AmigaUNIX when they are available in the >market, but I would stick to AmigaDOS for the time being. Under the said >circumstances, i have several concerns on acquiring these. > >Ethernet board(A2065): > (1) Is it possible to use thin ethernet cable ? [I saw 3000UX two months > ago, but i'm not sure it was a BNC connector.] Yes, it will use either thick or thin. It comes setup for thin. A jumper will let you use thick. > >TCP/IP software(AS225): > (2) Can I rmount AmigaDOS file systems on UNIX partitions ? [I heard NFS > supports only client side, so this should be yes.] You can mount a remote NFS volume so that it looks like a local partition on the amiga. > > (3) Can I rlogin/telnet/ftp to AmigaDOS from UNIX side ? [As AmigaDOS > is a true multitask OS, this should be a cake.] No. Only the other way. They don't seem to see this as being usefull. Perhaps if enough people ask they will change their minds. > >Development Kit > (4) How can i get a developers' environment such as libraries and technical > docs ? [I hope they are part of AS225 though.] Don't know. > > (5) What is its interface like ? I haven't experienced TCP/IP other than UNIX > platform. For the most part, the command function just like the UNIX commands. > >Upgrade plan > (6) What are pros and cons of AmigaDOS as a platform instead of AmigaUNIX ? > I believe AmigaDOS servers outperforms on the corresponding UNIX ones, > if they are programmed properly, I am not qualified to comment. But I kind of wish I had bought a A3000UX instead of the A3000. > > > (7) Are there other tips which I should know before hand provided I upgrade > to either 040, AmigaUNIX or both. ? > >Misc. > (8) Are there any PDS which I can take advantage of from my investment ? > [ I heard both AmigaNOS and Amiga-X11 require TCP/IP software, but I'm > noy sure of the exact requirement.] There are some nice X11 pgms out there. I like TGIF. Its a drawing program. Looks like MacDraw, but better. John
martin@cbmvax.commodore.com (Martin Hunt) (06/07/91)
In article <1991Jun2.135559.7521@news.media.mit.edu> masaru@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Masaru Sugai) writes: > > Hi. > > I'm seriously thinking about home network environment for my Amiga. I have >A3000/16 (2MB CHIP, 4MB FAST) and SAS C 5.10a and would like to hook it up >to NeXT for resource sharing plus TCP/IP software development. Eventually >I might get 040 coprocessor then AmigaUNIX when they are available in the >market, but I would stick to AmigaDOS for the time being. Under the said >circumstances, i have several concerns on acquiring these. > >Ethernet board(A2065): > (1) Is it possible to use thin ethernet cable ? [I saw 3000UX two months > ago, but i'm not sure it was a BNC connector.] The A2065 contains both AUI and BNC connectors. > >TCP/IP software(AS225): > (2) Can I rmount AmigaDOS file systems on UNIX partitions ? [I heard NFS > supports only client side, so this should be yes.] You can access Unix partitons from your Amiga, but you cannot access Amiga hard drives from Unix machines. > > (3) Can I rlogin/telnet/ftp to AmigaDOS from UNIX side ? [As AmigaDOS > is a true multitask OS, this should be a cake.] FTP works fine. The Amiga may be multitasking, but it is not really designed to be accessed by dumb terminals, so you can't do much if you rlogin'd into an Amiga. No rlogin daemon is distributed, but someone on BIX wrote one. > >Development Kit > (4) How can i get a developers' environment such as libraries and technical > docs ? [I hope they are part of AS225 though.] They are not currently included, but will be available soon. > > (5) What is its interface like ? I haven't experienced TCP/IP other than UNIX > platform. The programmer's interface is sockets, just like Unix. > >Upgrade plan > (6) What are pros and cons of AmigaDOS as a platform instead of AmigaUNIX ? > I believe AmigaDOS servers outperforms on the corresponding UNIX ones, > if they are programmed properly, > > > (7) Are there other tips which I should know before hand provided I upgrade > to either 040, AmigaUNIX or both. ? > >Misc. > (8) Are there any PDS which I can take advantage of from my investment ? > [ I heard both AmigaNOS and Amiga-X11 require TCP/IP software, but I'm > noy sure of the exact requirement.] GfxBase's X uses the AS225 Amiga TCP/IP package. > > > I would like to appreciate any help. Especially comments from real users >are much helpful. Thanks in advance. > >-- >-- Masaru Sugai:Use disclaimer. CIS 72050,2141:NeXT + A3000 = money-eater >NEC Corporation:sugai@ccs.mt.nec.co.jp DORMANT:hardwired logic,machine language >MIT R.Affiliate:masaru@media-lab.media.mit.edu: "Silicon on Sapphire" by CLASH Martin Hunt Commodore-Amiga martin@cbmvax.commodore.com "Windows 3.0 is hot because it's really fun. It has brought some excitement back into the PC industry" - Microsoft I wonder who took the excitement out in the first place?
kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) (06/07/91)
In article <1991Jun6.182854.28273@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> yurkon@CYCVAX.NSCL.MSU.EDU writes: >In article <1991Jun2.135559.7521@news.media.mit.edu>, masaru@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Masaru Sugai) writes... >> I'm seriously thinking about home network environment for my Amiga. I have [...] >> (3) Can I rlogin/telnet/ftp to AmigaDOS from UNIX side ? [As AmigaDOS >> is a true multitask OS, this should be a cake.] > >No. Only the other way. They don't seem to see this as being usefull. Perhaps >if enough people ask they will change their minds. Correction: no rlogin/telnet to the Amiga, but you can ftp and rsh to the Amiga. Actually, this privides a very convenient security leak: ftp to the Amiga and cd to a NFS-mounted volume: wide open at that point. Anyway, seems C= thought that rshd and ftpd would suffice... :^( Maybe when the library documentation becomes available they will be written. >>Upgrade plan >> (6) What are pros and cons of AmigaDOS as a platform instead of AmigaUNIX ? >> I believe AmigaDOS servers outperforms on the corresponding UNIX ones, >> if they are programmed properly, This would be a hard one for me also, but I think that if I already had a local unix box (you had a NeXT, correct?), then I would opt for AmigaDOS with X11. This combination provides opportunities that two unix boxes connected don't seem to provide. Besides, there is enough PD stuff out there to get a fairly unix-like environment running on the Amiga. >>Misc. >> (8) Are there any PDS which I can take advantage of from my investment ? >> [ I heard both AmigaNOS and Amiga-X11 require TCP/IP software, but I'm >> noy sure of the exact requirement.] Not PD, but you might want to contact GfxBase about options :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (512) 522-2882 Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu UUCP : $ {cs.utexas.edu, gatech!petro, sun!texsun}!swrinde!kent
kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) (06/07/91)
In article <22212@cbmvax.commodore.com> martin@cbmvax.commodore.com (Martin Hunt) writes: >In article <1991Jun2.135559.7521@news.media.mit.edu> masaru@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Masaru Sugai) writes: [...] >> >> (3) Can I rlogin/telnet/ftp to AmigaDOS from UNIX side ? [As AmigaDOS >> is a true multitask OS, this should be a cake.] > [...] >you rlogin'd into an Amiga. No rlogin daemon is distributed, but >someone on BIX wrote one. Might someone pleeeease make this available on ab20? (Pretty please :^) :^) Are there any other goodies like this which are available on BIX? Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (512) 522-2882 Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu UUCP : $ {cs.utexas.edu, gatech!petro, sun!texsun}!swrinde!kent
arno@cbmnlu1.cbm.nl (Arno Griffioen) (06/07/91)
In article <1991Jun6.182854.28273@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> yurkon@CYCVAX.NSCL.MSU.EDU writes: >> >> (3) Can I rlogin/telnet/ftp to AmigaDOS from UNIX side ? [As AmigaDOS >> is a true multitask OS, this should be a cake.] > >No. Only the other way. They don't seem to see this as being usefull. Perhaps >if enough people ask they will change their minds. Yes you can! Just use 'start inet servers' and you can FTP to the amiga and use rsh for remote command execution. A real telnet is not available yet, but that's mainly (I think) because most amiga programs open a separate window or scree, so ths wouldn't work via telnet/rlogin. Bye Arno. -- Arno Griffioen | Commodore Nederland B.V. Unix Support Center Email: arno@cbmnlu1.cbm.nl | Tel: (+31) 020-5806748 or: arno@cbm.nl | "The light at the end of the tunnel... Is the headlamp of an oncoming train!"
jwright@cfht.hawaii.edu (Jim Wright) (06/07/91)
martin@cbmvax.commodore.com (Martin Hunt) writes: >masaru@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Masaru Sugai) writes: >>TCP/IP software(AS225): >> (2) Can I rmount AmigaDOS file systems on UNIX partitions? Unix mounting remote Unix disks - yes Amiga mounting remote Unix disks - yes Unix mounting remote Amiga disks - no Amiga mounting remote Amiga disks - no >> (3) Can I rlogin/telnet/ftp to AmigaDOS from UNIX side ? [As AmigaDOS >> is a true multitask OS, this should be a cake.] rlogin into Amiga - no rlogin from Amiga - yes telnet into Amiga - no telnet from Amiga - yes ftp into Amiga - yes ftp from Amiga - yes >The Amiga may be multitasking, but it is not really designed to be accessed >by dumb terminals, so you can't do much if you rlogin'd into an Amiga. But we can't do anything if rlogind isn't provided. There are some useful things that can be done with just a cli. >No rlogin daemon is distributed, but someone on BIX wrote one. Any chance of this being made available outside of BIX? Please?? >>Development Kit >They are not currently included, but will be available soon. As a separate product? Freely available to AS225 owners? Freely available to anyone? >> (5) What is its interface like ? I haven't experienced TCP/IP other than UNIX >> platform. >The programmer's interface is sockets, just like Unix. The user's interface is not up to what is "standard" on unix systems. Too many things are missing. It is a tremendous beginning. It is better than anything you may find on a PC running DOS. >> (6) What are pros and cons of AmigaDOS as a platform instead of AmigaUNIX ? I have no desire to run Unix on my Amiga. But then I have Unix boxes coming out my ears. AmigaDOS stands on its own as a useful environment. -- Jim Wright jwright@cfht.hawaii.edu Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope Corp.
dale@boing.UUCP (Dale Luck) (06/07/91)
In article masaru@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Masaru Sugai) writes: > I'm seriously thinking about home network environment for my Amiga. I have >A3000/16 (2MB CHIP, 4MB FAST) and SAS C 5.10a and would like to hook it up >to NeXT for resource sharing plus TCP/IP software development. >Ethernet board(A2065): > (1) Is it possible to use thin ethernet cable ? Amiga 2065 board supports both thin and thick net. >TCP/IP software(AS225): > (2) Can I rmount AmigaDOS file systems on UNIX partitions ? Yes > (3) Can I rlogin/telnet/ftp to AmigaDOS from UNIX side ? rlogin, not yet. telnet, not yet. ftp, yup. rsh, yup. >Development Kit > (4) How can i get a developers' environment such as libraries and technical > docs ? [I hope they are part of AS225 though.] Nope, standard AS225 is a user package, not a developer package. Amiga has not released a to the general public a developer package for AS225(tcp/ip) for AmigaDOS. GfxBase, includes a socket library along with it's X11 Development environment that supports AS225, TSSnet(DECnet), and SANA (local). > (5) What is its interface like ? I haven't experienced TCP/IP other than UNIX > platform. The Amiga developers kit at this time is a socket library, designed to make it easy to port unix network applications to the Amiga. >Upgrade plan > (6) What are pros and cons of AmigaDOS as a platform instead of AmigaUNIX ? > I believe AmigaDOS servers outperforms on the corresponding UNIX ones, > if they are programmed properly, AmigaDOS does not suffer from some of the bloated overhead that comes with most unix implementations. However it also does not come with alot of the developer tools that you commonly find on those same unix boxes. >Misc. > (8) Are there any PDS which I can take advantage of from my investment ? > [ I heard both AmigaNOS and Amiga-X11 require TCP/IP software, but I'm > noy sure of the exact requirement.] I;m not sure about AmigaNOS, but Amiga-X11 does not require tcp/ip software if you do not need to connect to X11 clients/servers outside your box or if your communication protocol is DECnet. >-- Masaru Sugai:Use disclaimer. CIS 72050,2141:NeXT + A3000 = money-eater >NEC Corporation:sugai@ccs.mt.nec.co.jp DORMANT:hardwired logic,machine language >MIT R.Affiliate:masaru@media-lab.media.mit.edu: "Silicon on Sapphire" by CLASH -- Dale Luck GfxBase/Boing, Inc. {uunet!cbmvax|pyramid}!amiga!boing!dale
mcr@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca (Michael Richardson) (06/08/91)
In article <1991Jun2.135559.7521@news.media.mit.edu> masaru@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Masaru Sugai) writes: >Misc. > (8) Are there any PDS which I can take advantage of from my investment ? > [ I heard both AmigaNOS and Amiga-X11 require TCP/IP software, but I'm > noy sure of the exact requirement.] AmigaNOS is a KA9Q port and does not support SANA at this time. It also doesn't support anything that doesn't look like a serial.device. It works nicely though for reading MSDOS disks onto a Sun 3. latour% ftp julie Connected to julie.sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca. 220 julie.Sandelman.OCUnix.On.Ca FTP version 900214 (G1YYH v1.9) ready at Fri Jun 07 17:58:35 1991 Name (julie:mcr): msdos 331 Enter PASS command Password: 230 Logged in ftp> dir 200 Port command okay 150 Opening data connection for LIST Unnamed: .... -- :!mcr!: | The postmaster never | So much mail, Michael Richardson | resolves twice. | so little time. HOME: mcr@sandelman.ocunix.on.ca Bell: (613) 237-5629 Small Ottawa nodes contact me about joining ocunix.on.ca!
seebs@thor.acc.stolaf.edu (The Laughing Prophet) (06/11/91)
In article <1991Jun2.135559.7521@news.media.mit.edu> masaru@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Masaru Sugai) writes: > > Hi. > > I'm seriously thinking about home network environment for my Amiga. I have >A3000/16 (2MB CHIP, 4MB FAST) and SAS C 5.10a and would like to hook it up >to NeXT for resource sharing plus TCP/IP software development. Eventually >I might get 040 coprocessor then AmigaUNIX when they are available in the >market, but I would stick to AmigaDOS for the time being. Under the said >circumstances, i have several concerns on acquiring these. Well, it just so happens that I am sitting at my father's NeXT, which is connected through Ethernet and TCP/IP to my amiga 3000, which has 2mb chip and 4mb fast. ;-) (However, I have a 3000/25, and Aztec C.) >Ethernet board(A2065): > (1) Is it possible to use thin ethernet cable ? [I saw 3000UX two months > ago, but i'm not sure it was a BNC connector.] Yup. >TCP/IP software(AS225): > (2) Can I rmount AmigaDOS file systems on UNIX partitions ? [I heard NFS > supports only client side, so this should be yes.] which way do you mean this? You can mount a unix box's file system on your amiga (i.e, nfsmgr mount darkstar:/ darkstar, which gives you the logical device darkstar: as / on darkstar) but the amiga will *not* export file systems. (which sorta bugs me...) > (3) Can I rlogin/telnet/ftp to AmigaDOS from UNIX side ? [As AmigaDOS > is a true multitask OS, this should be a cake.] ftp yes. rlogin/telnet, no. This was rather a surprise to me - how hard can it be to do this? I mean, if you've already got daemons, and rsh works. (This is, for many many purposes, as good as rlogin... but not always...) Also note that rlogin/telnet/et. al. insist on creating windows/screens. This is to be seen as a major bummer - the Amiga can reasonably comfortably run a terminal on aux:, and that terminal is then completely incapable of using anything but ftp. >Development Kit > (4) How can i get a developers' environment such as libraries and technical > docs ? [I hope they are part of AS225 though.] Dunno... Haven't seen them anywhere. There is limited technical documentation supplied, i.e. man-page style information about things.. but not all that much. > (5) What is its interface like ? I haven't experienced TCP/IP other than UNIX > platform. ftp is pretty standard, actually. The 'tftp' interface is not yet supported, though it is reasonably well documented. There are telnet and rloginvt, which provide some degree of terminal stuff on newly opened screens, and there is rlogin, which just opens a window... So far as I know, there is no way to get rlogin/telnet to work *inside* an existing window... Which is annoying at times. >Upgrade plan > (6) What are pros and cons of AmigaDOS as a platform instead of AmigaUNIX ? > I believe AmigaDOS servers outperforms on the corresponding UNIX ones, > if they are programmed properly, Dunno. I have been trying for months to find out anything about a version of UNIX that I might be able to see, without having to buy another machine, but have had no luck. ;-) > (7) Are there other tips which I should know before hand provided I upgrade > to either 040, AmigaUNIX or both. ? Read the ongoing, uhm, discussion (?) about the 040... >Misc. > (8) Are there any PDS which I can take advantage of from my investment ? > [ I heard both AmigaNOS and Amiga-X11 require TCP/IP software, but I'm > noy sure of the exact requirement.] Hmm... Well, I've seen about 5 versions of UUCP on the fish disks, one of them might work ok. The hard part being getting anything to run both ways, since the amiga can't recieve telnet or rlogin. I suppose you could echo information into a specific file, then a NeXT could be told to ftp the file over, and react to it, but it would still be forced to use rsh to get the amiga to initiate telnet. Telnet without a server is like an amiga without custom chips. ;-) > I would like to appreciate any help. Especially comments from real users >are much helpful. Thanks in advance. Sorry - I'm a hologram. ;-) >-- Masaru Sugai:Use disclaimer. CIS 72050,2141:NeXT + A3000 = money-eater >NEC Corporation:sugai@ccs.mt.nec.co.jp DORMANT:hardwired logic,machine language >MIT R.Affiliate:masaru@media-lab.media.mit.edu: "Silicon on Sapphire" by CLASH --SeebS-- -- Peter Seebach - The Laughing Prophet | | Anonymous Posting Here! I don't speak for St. Olaf, St. Olaf | | seebs@acc.stolaf.edu doesn't speak for me, and Marcel Marceau | | "Forgive them Father, for they speaks for no one. | | do not get the joke..."