[comp.sys.amiga.hardware] Display Enhancer

DAN.BENDIKSEN@f601.n105.z1.FIDONET.ORG (DAN BENDIKSEN) (06/25/91)

I was wondering (I guess that I should have addressed this to Dave 
Haney[sp?]) if it is possible to get the display enhancer in the A3000 to 
display 1280 mode with out resolution loss. I am even interested in hearing 
wild ideas! And, even if it is impossible, could someone please let me know 
why...
           Many thanks,
             Dan Bendiksen.


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taab5@isuvax.iastate.edu (Marc Barrett) (06/26/91)

In article <30.2867E83F@busker.fidonet.org>, DAN.BENDIKSEN@f601.n105.z1.FIDONET.ORG (DAN BENDIKSEN) writes:
>I was wondering (I guess that I should have addressed this to Dave 
>Haney[sp?]) if it is possible to get the display enhancer in the A3000 to 
>display 1280 mode with out resolution loss. I am even interested in hearing 
>wild ideas! And, even if it is impossible, could someone please let me know 
>why...

   No.  The Display Enhancer (both the DE for the A2000 and the one built-in
on the A3000) would require a redesign to work with the 1280 x XXX resolution
modes.  

   This is one of my beefs with the A3000.  Commodore spent millions of 
dollars fabricating the ECS Denise with these new resolution modes, and 
then does not support them with their flicker-eliminating display device.
I wish Commodore would have designed the A3000's built-in DE to support
these modes or, at the very least, designed the more expensive standalone
DE for the A2000 to support these resolution modes.
 
>           Many thanks,
>             Dan Bendiksen.
>
>
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consp03@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Kriston J. Rehberg) (06/27/91)

In article <1991Jun26.154806.1023@news.iastate.edu>,
taab5@isuvax.iastate.edu (Marc Barrett) writes:
|>   This is one of my beefs with the A3000.  Commodore spent millions of 
|>dollars fabricating the ECS Denise with these new resolution modes, and 
|>then does not support them with their flicker-eliminating display device.
|>I wish Commodore would have designed the A3000's built-in DE to support
|>these modes or, at the very least, designed the more expensive standalone
|>DE for the A2000 to support these resolution modes.

They did it to maintain compatibility with older software.  Productivity
software should now use "Productivity" mode, hence the name.  The
quirkiness of a flicker-fixer can be quite cumbersome for some people
who need to use the system every day - the screen updates are a bit
shakey for some to deal with at an 8-hour sitting.  Productivity gets
around that problem.

To get over 600 horizontal raster lines, even IBM computers need a
special display card (incidently, they need a special card to do over
200 lines, but that's not the point here).  Do you know how much a
typical card that supports over 600 horizontal lines costs?  It has to
have over 1 meg of memory installed on it.  That puts it up out of reach
of some of us.

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-Kris

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daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) (06/27/91)

In article <30.2867E83F@busker.fidonet.org> DAN.BENDIKSEN@f601.n105.z1.FIDONET.ORG (DAN BENDIKSEN) writes:
>I was wondering (I guess that I should have addressed this to Dave 
>Haney[sp?]) 

Haynie

>if it is possible to get the display enhancer in the A3000 to display 1280 
>mode with out resolution loss.

No.

>why...

The display enhancer samples one pixel every 70ns, and it knows how to get out
of the way of display modes that are already at 31kHz sync rates.  The 1280
pixel modes are 15kHz, but use 35ns pixels.  So you get two pixel positions for
every one sample taken by the display enhancer, resulting in a scan-converted
display that's missing every other pixel. 
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