[rec.audio.high-end] ARC, Belles, general

Arthur_Noguerola%es.uucp@lectroid.sw.stratus.com (03/22/90)

ARC  -  I  recently  sold  my  used  ARC  SP3a after 10 years of
absolutely flawless service excepting tubes.  I purchased an SP9
after listening to  ARC  SP9  (3  different),SP6,SP8,SP10,Classe
DR5,  VTL  Maximimal  and  Ultimate,  CJ  PV5  and  PV9,  Motif,
Quicksilver and probably others.  My  most  valuable  lesson  in
listening  over  the  past years helped in my eventual choice of
preamp.  That is that all equipment needs warm up time to  sound
best.  I  tried  to  borrow only units which were already broken
in.  I  think  this  essential.  I  also  used  each  preamp  in
multiple  configurations:  normal,  hot  rod,  with  and without
step-ups (external or internal).  No matter  how  'impressed'  I
was  with  a given manufacturer's unit I kept coming back to the
SP9 (with CJ a close second).  Yes the others sounded  great  or
clean  or  fast  or  dynamic  but  it  was the ARCs that sounded
musical.  Their whole line reflects steady forward  progress  in
preamp  design.  With music as the end goal.  Don't be fooled by
intial  wow-zowie  results.  Listen  for  awhile  in  a  relaxed
manner.  After a time are you still drawn in by the pyrotechnics
or  do  you  find  yourself  go  back  to the shelves to get yet
another  record  and  then  another.  Or  has   your   attention
wandered?  Do  you  feel  the  urge to move onto another preamp?
Breakin tiem for my SP9 has been about 3 months!!!  and  yes  it
was not subtle. Leave your equipment on!!!!

I  think  you will have good luckwith your SP10 purchase and you
will find that ARC is dedicated to their customers  (even  those
of used units).

Belles:  I  have  a  Belles  450 and a close friend has 250.  We
both have the same likes and dislikes in regards to  these  amps
and to the manufacturer.  Sonically it took both amps probably 2
months  to  breakin.  Before  that they did sound a little thin.
But once broken in they are wonderful and tubey in sonic nature.
They are simply designed and built.  The 450  uses  NO  internal
wiring except a jumper.  All very high quiality parts.  The only
PC  board  has  all  connections  direct  to it.  The inputs are
Tiffany I believe and are soldered.  The outputs are the klinker
here.  Belles uses standard (read cheesy) output posts.  On BOTH
mine and my friends amps they came loose in to manners:  1 - the
cap portion loosened  on  the  metal  screw  portion,  2  -  the
connector itself loosened from the chassis.  This caused us both
much  grief.  A  call  to  Mr.  Belles  got a nasty tempered man
(supposedly having a bad day) who offered to replace  the  posts
with  same  for  labor  charges  only.  Of  course we had to pay
shipping!!!.  Mind you the amps were only 3 - 4 months  old  and
still under warranty.  My solution?  Enid Lumley to the rescue -
Edison  Price  binding posts.  15 minutes later all was well and
sound was clearer,more detailed and more current throughput.  So
real nice amp design and sound but no  kudos  for  the  customer
service column.

General:  How  many  of  you  have experienced to breaking in of
equipment?  Including cables.  With preamps I was able to notice
almost across the board that intially soundstage and imaging was
not quite right but most units settled  (ie  stoppped  wavering)
after  the  1st hour.  But that most only settled after 3 hours.
This makes short term loans hard on decision making.  Especially
when the unit you buy will continue to change over the first few
months.  I found the Classe DR5 to  be  cold  and  thin  and  it
wouldnt  change  (although  the soundstage did settle).  TAS did
mention that it needed to warm up  for  100hours  before  intial
listening.  I  find cables to be similar.  I am not the only one
of my listening friends  to  experience  these  occurences.  Any
thoughts on this topic.

Since  I am new to this forum I would also like to inquire about
possible  sale  or  purchase  of   used   equipment   and   more
specifically records.  Is that possible throught this forum?  If
you are interested in such please contact me via e-mail if this
forum is not the proper venue.

[Private sales I don't mind... let's not run a business, though. -tjk]