[rec.audio.high-end] ADD vs DDD

chowkwan%priam.usc.edu@usc.edu (Raymond Chowkwanyun) (04/30/91)

ADD is Spars code for a CD that was recorded in analogue,
then mastered digitally.  The final D means the delivery
medium is also digital.  The only difference between
ADD and DDD then is in whether the master is analogue
or digital. 

Is it better to make CD's from an analogue source or
a digital source?  In my experience the better
CD's seem to be made from analogue masters.
e.g. Walter's Beethoven 6th on CBS.  And yet,
there are recordings like Trinity Sessions
by the Cowboy Junkies which I'd swear were analogue.
In general then, analogue masters produce better
CD's with some exceptions like the Trinity Sessions.

On the other hand it can be argued that logically,
if you're going to record digitally, use digital
all the way.  The counter-argument is that we
shouldn't lock ourselves into a particular digital
standard.  Record in the best analogue available,
then convert to whatever digitial standard is the
flavor of the month.

Anyway, here is a datapoint whereby you yourself
can resolve this question:

Jim Boyk has released a CD which allows
us to compare ADD and DDD.  I think it's
ADD, it could be AAD.  Same performance, same microphone
feed.  In one case to an analog tape recorder,
in another to a digital RDAT.  

Boyk recorded his own performance
of Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition.  It's on
his own label, Performance Recordings.  PR-7 distributed
by Harmonia Mundi USA.  One source is Rose Records
800 955-ROSE.

Both versions appear on the same physical CD.  
I was able to listen over a car radio as they played
ADD and DDD tracks from the CD.  The audience was
not told which was which.  The two versions were
code-named Wristwatch and Fish.  

First they played the initial Promenade and
Gnomus.  Wristwatch first.  I swear, after a few
bars I'd identified this as DDD even without hearing
Fish.  The tone was thin and edgy.  When Fish came
on there were more harmonic overtones.  Ahh, it just
sounded more like a piano.  

Then they played the Ballet of the Chicks in Their 
Eggshells.  This time Fish came first, followed
by Wristwatch.  This was a much harder call.
CD's biggest weakness is treble so that 
in a piece which emphasizes treble like Ballet,
any differences in the underlying master are
obscured by CD's veiling effect. I thought
Wristwatch sounded marginally better although
both were pretty thin and edgy.

Turned out Wristwatch was DDD.  Another listener
pointed out that Wristwatch was a bad code-name
because people associate wristwatches with digitial
technology.  Maybe Fowl?  The idea is to use 
code-names which are totally neutral.

Another question: would you say this was a double-blind
or a single-blind test?  Technically, it's single-blind
since the radio people knew which was which.  But since
it was a broadcast and I couldn't see their faces for
visual clues, I'd say it was in effect a double-blind
test.

Oh yes, listeners called in to say which one they
preferred.  Much to the annoyance of Peter Sutheim
(host of Infidelity 12:00 pm Sundays KPFK in LA),
people kept trying to identify whether the master
was digital or analogue instead of just saying which
they liked better.  The final tally 7.5 for Wristwatch,
5.5 for Fish.  i.e. most people liked the DDD version
better.

Another listener complained about the wow and flutter
on this broadcast which the radio guys confirmed.
This appeared even on the DDD version.  
Boyk assured us he had heard the same physical
CD on another player and that there was no
wow or flutter.  It was the radio station's
el cheapo player that was at fault.  This is
public radio we're talking about.

So OK, maybe the results would have been different
if they'd used a really high-grade CD system,
nevertheless it was the same physical CD played on
the same player.  Anyway, try it for yourself in
your own high-grade player.

Minor anecdote: Boyk said that the ADD version
overloaded a $50K system but played OK
on a $2K system.  This was someone he'd lent
the CD to.  Moral: high-end audio is being designed
with the lesser dynamics of CD in mind.

Finally, for those still into vinyl there is 
an LP version.  

-- ray

jfw@neuro.duke.edu (John F. Whitehead) (05/03/91)

In article <11579@uwm.edu> chowkwan%priam.usc.edu@usc.edu 
    (Raymond Chowkwanyun) writes, in part:
>Jim Boyk has released a CD which allows us to compare ADD and DDD.
>Boyk recorded his own performance of Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition. 
>I was able to listen over a car radio as they played ADD and DDD tracks 
>from the CD.  The audience was not told which was which.  
>Oh yes, listeners called in to say which one they preferred. The final tally
>7.5 for Wristwatch, 5.5 for Fish.  i.e. most people liked the DDD version
>better.

I would take this "test" with a grain of salt, even if 7.5 were to be
considered statistically significant vs. 5.5.  How can you expect to
test something so subtle when you broadcast it?  A radio signal is 
compressed, and doesn't have any signal over 15KHz or much below 50Hz!

    John Whitehead                     Internet:  jfw@neuro.duke.edu
    Department of Neurobiology                    jfw@well.sf.ca.us
    Duke University Medical Center     Bitnet:    white002@dukemc           
    Durham, North Carolina