bilbo.jbrown@LOCUS.UCLA.EDU (Jordan Brown) (12/04/85)
Why are there two sonic booms from the shuttle? (I'm told it goes "boom-boom" when it flies over before landing)
don@umd5.UUCP (12/04/85)
> Why are there two sonic booms from the shuttle? (I'm told it goes "boom-boom" > when it flies over before landing) One shock wave from the nose of the craft, and one from the tail. See the latest issue of Discover about hypersonic aircraft for some excellent illustrations of shock cones. -- --==---==---==-- "What happened ?" "It seems the occipital area of my head impacted with the arm of the chair." "No, I mean, what happened to us ?" "That has yet to be surmised." ARPA: don@umd5.ARPA BITNET: don%umd5@umd2 SPOKEN: Chris Sylvain UUCP: { {allegra, seismo}!umcp-cs, ihnp4!rlgvax } ...!cvl!umd5!don
dsmith@HPLABSC (David Smith) (12/04/85)
> Why are there two sonic booms from the shuttle? (I'm told it goes "boom-boom" > when it flies over before landing) The shock waves from various protuberances coalesce (for reasons unknown to me) around the bow and tail shocks. As the bow shock passes the observer, air pressure rises sharply. Between bow and tail shocks, pressure falls to below ambient. The tail shock raises pressure sharply back to ambient. The two sharp pressure rises are heard as the two booms. All supersonic craft drag along an N-shaped wave heard as two booms. How well your ears can resolve them depends on the length and speed of the craft. The shuttle is long, and as it approaches Edwards, it is slowing through Mach 1. I have heard the shuttle's twin booms on the TV; I have also heard twin booms from aircraft I couldn't see in the vicinity of Beale AFB (home of the SR-71). The latter produced much more closely spaced booms. David Smith ucbvax!hplabs!dsmith
rjnoe@riccb.UUCP (Roger J. Noe) (12/05/85)
> Why are there two sonic booms from the shuttle?
It's because there are two "sonic cones" formed by the shuttle. (There is
very likely a more scientific term for this, but I don't know what it is.)
With most supersonic aircraft, a cone-shaped shock wave expands from the
nose of the craft outward. Where and when this cone intersects the surface
of the Earth determines who hears the sonic boom. This cone usually expands
at a wide enough angle to engulf the rest of the aircraft. But the shuttle
has a pretty unusual shape. I think the vertical stabilizer (tail) rises
above the cone-shaped shock wave formed by the nose. This causes the tail
to slam into the surrounding air the same way the nose does, and a second
shock wave, also shaped like a cone, forms at the edge of the tail. This
is the explanation I have heard, anyway. I don't think the two sonic booms
are from the top and bottom points of the "N-signature" of the shock wave
formed at the nose, or else every supersonic aircraft would exhibit this
phenomenon. I used to hear F-4's go over my house many years ago, and I never
remember hearing a double sonic boom, although sometimes two or more Phantoms
would be in formation and each would have its own sonic boom. Could someone
elaborate on this, please? At least let me know if this is all accurate.
Thanks.
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Roger Noe ihnp4!riccb!rjnoespace@ucbvax.UUCP (12/05/85)
Could it be the nose and wings set up separate shock waves at supersonic speeds?
msc@saber.UUCP (Mark Callow) (12/07/85)
> > Why are there two sonic booms from the shuttle? > > It's because there are two "sonic cones" formed by the shuttle. (There is > ..... > explanation about how it's due to the shuttle's "strange" shape > deleted for brevity. Concorde also makes a double sonic boom. -- From the TARDIS of Mark Callow msc@saber.uucp, sun!saber!msc@decwrl.dec.com ...{ihnp4,sun}!saber!msc "Boards are long and hard and made of wood"
skip@ubvax.UUCP (Skip Addison Jr) (12/12/85)
In article <600@riccb.UUCP> rjnoe@riccb.UUCP (Roger J. Noe) writes: >> Why are there two sonic booms from the shuttle? > >It's because there are two "sonic cones" formed by the shuttle. (There is >very likely a more scientific term for this, but I don't know what it is.) >With most supersonic aircraft, a cone-shaped shock wave expands from the >nose of the craft outward. Where and when this cone intersects the surface >of the Earth determines who hears the sonic boom. This cone usually expands >at a wide enough angle to engulf the rest of the aircraft. But the shuttle >has a pretty unusual shape. I think the vertical stabilizer (tail) rises >above the cone-shaped shock wave formed by the nose. This causes the tail >to slam into the surrounding air the same way the nose does, and a second >shock wave, also shaped like a cone, forms at the edge of the tail. This >is the explanation I have heard, anyway. I don't think the two sonic booms > ... >-- > Roger Noe ihnp4!riccb!rjnoe Sonic booms are created by major displacements of air or air rushing in to fill a void. A sonic boom is generated by the tail of the shuttle as a result of the drastic change in the shuttle cross-section there. As the shuttle moves it leaves behind a void which the surrounding air fills. In fact, every exterior part of a super-sonic aircraft creates its own little "boom" (shock-wave), but the only noticeable ones are usually generated by the sudden intrusion of the nose and sudden abscense of the tail. A more streamlined aircraft has less of a boom. Notice the two wakes left by some boats at high speeds. Same principles. -- Skip Addison {amdcad, amd, cae780}!ubvax!skip
scw@ucla-cs.UUCP (12/24/85)
In article <386@ubvax.UUCP> skip@ubvax.UUCP (Skip Addison) writes: >In article <600@riccb.UUCP> rjnoe@riccb.UUCP (Roger J. Noe) writes: >>> Why are there two sonic booms from the shuttle? >> >>It's because there are [...] anyway. I don't think the two sonic booms >> ... >>-- >> Roger Noe ihnp4!riccb!rjnoe > >Sonic booms are created by major displacements of air or air rushing in to >fill a void. A sonic boom is[...] and sudden abscense of the tail. A more >streamlined aircraft has less of a boom. > >Notice the two wakes left by some boats at high speeds. Same principles. Excuse me, right idea but wrong cause, The shock wave is formed when the air- flow velocity passes through the speed of sound. If you look at the upper surface of the wing of any aircraft flying near Mach 1 (Mach .6~~ < v <Mach 1.0) You'll see 2 'lines' running spanwise, these are 'shock waves' where the airflow over the wing transistions the speed of sound (increasing veloicity produces a stronger wave than decreasing veloicity so the forward 'line' will be much sharper and clearer that the trailing one. The 'lines' will appear to move forward and backwards on the wing as the airspeed and angle of attack change. They also move farther apart with increasing Mach number. At Mach 1 the will be at the leading and trailing edges. If the leading and trailing edges are far enough apart you'll hear 2 sonic 'booms' as the aircraft passes. Note that the primary sound energy is produced by the wings (or in the case of the space shuttle the whole aircraft (being all wing). Now the distance from the nose to the tail of the space shuttle is what? (150 feet??) so assuming (20000 feet & Standard Atm. and getting out my trusty pro-star. Mach 1 = 621 KTAS = 1048 FPS= ~.14 sec between the first boom and the second, but at 50000 Feet & SA Mach 5= 2743 KTAS = 4629 FPS = .03 seconds so it sounds like 1 (longer) boom). <scw>
ritter@spp1.UUCP (Phillip A. Ritter) (01/02/86)
In article <8173@ucla-cs.ARPA> scw@ucla-cs.UUCP (Stephen C. Woods) writes: >...Discussion of airflow dynamics deleted... Now the distance from the nose >to the tail of the space shuttle is what? (150 feet??) so assuming >(20000 feet & Standard Atm. and getting out my trusty pro-star. >Mach 1 = 621 KTAS = 1048 FPS= ~.14 sec between the first boom and the >second, but at 50000 Feet & SA Mach 5= 2743 KTAS = 4629 FPS = .03 seconds >so it sounds like 1 (longer) boom). > ><scw> The math may be perfect, but I have to disagree with the last statement. The shuttle sonic boom does NOT sound like one long boom. There are two DISTICT booms, easily detected by the human ear. This is from simple experiance - I have heard them several times as the shuttle passes almost directly overhead on its way into Edwards. Phil Ritter -- Phillip A. Ritter
steve@jplgodo.UUCP (Steve Schlaifer x3171 156/224) (01/02/86)
> In article <8173@ucla-cs.ARPA> scw@ucla-cs.UUCP (Stephen C. Woods) writes: > >...Discussion of airflow dynamics deleted... Now the distance from the nose > >to the tail of the space shuttle is what? (150 feet??) so assuming > >(20000 feet & Standard Atm. and getting out my trusty pro-star. > >Mach 1 = 621 KTAS = 1048 FPS= ~.14 sec between the first boom and the > >second, but at 50000 Feet & SA Mach 5= 2743 KTAS = 4629 FPS = .03 seconds > >so it sounds like 1 (longer) boom). > > > ><scw> > > The math may be perfect, but I have to disagree with the last statement. The > shuttle sonic boom does NOT sound like one long boom. There are two > DISTICT booms, easily detected by the human ear. This is from simple > experiance - I have heard them several times as the shuttle passes almost > directly overhead on its way into Edwards. > > Phil Ritter > -- > Phillip A. Ritter It has always seemed to me, in fact, that the booms were seperated by at least .5 seconds (although I have never actually timed them). The two booms are quite distinct. ...smeagol\ Steve Schlaifer >!jplgodo!steve Advance Projects Group, Jet Propulsion Labs ....group3/ 4800 Oak Grove Drive, M/S 156/204 Pasadena, California, 91109 +1 818 354 3171
swigdor.es@XEROX.ARPA (01/09/86)
Speaking of the sonic booms from the shuttle any news on when it will start booming again down at the Cape. The only thing I can say about those twin sonic booms is that in a way I am both happy and sad at every shuttle landing at EAB. I live in Canyon Country about 50 miles south-west of Edwards and each landing does a number on my house. The house shakes and the window rattles and I now know what is like to live next to the only active space runway. Well at least I know when to turn on the TV to watch the landings without having to put up with too much bull from the networks. Gee I guess that its only a matter of time before somebody sues NASA for lowering their home values because of the shuttle sonic boom (it will most likely be some body in Kansas). :-) Sheldon Wigdor