GATLING@SUVM (Keith E Gatling) (02/09/90)
Gee, I always thought that the original reason for the "disestablishment clause" was because of all the abuses that were suffered in England by people who weren't members of the "official church." Not only that, but the record of how the Massachusetts Puritans treated Quakers and other non-Puritans gives good reason for the disestablishment clause. We've seen rather clearly that once any particular religious group gains power, chances are that they'll put the screws to anyone who disagrees...and this was happening even within Christianity. Hence the disestablishment clause. Now, as far as removing prayer from the schools goes, on the surface this might look like a most terrible thing. However, after a bit of careful thought, it begins to look a little different. Let's say for the moment that most people on this list believe that Mormons, as well meaning as they may be, are not true Christians. How would you feel about school prayer if you were a Baptist living in Salt Lake City? Remember, they will be offering Mormon prayers...and when the teacher tries to put things into a religious perspective, it will be from the Mormon religious perspective. Still think that taking established prayer out of public schools is a terrible thing? Let's take a less intense example. You live in New York City, where there is great cultural diversity. The first question is, if prayer is allowed in the public schools, who chooses the prayers? The individual teacher, the principal, the board of education? If the principal or the board of education choose the prayers, will they be so watered down in an attempt to not offend anyone of a different religion, that they would be totally meaningless and a mockery of the very idea of prayer? If the teacher were the one to decide what prayers would be offered, would this mean that during the course of nine years in elementary school your child could spend a year hearing Jewish prayers, another with Hindu prayers, another with Moslem prayers, and so on...*maybe* getting a whole two years of Christian prayers (and I'm not even getting into Baptist prayers versus Catholic prayers)? How would you feel about that? Perhaps there was some wisdom in the decision to remove organized prayer from public schools. Perhaps this wisdom was that parents should hold the responsibility for the religous upbringing of their children, and that the state was ill equipped to do so. That a Jewish mother living in Boston shouldn't have to worry about her child being taught Christianity (and I note a difference between being taught Christianity and being taught about it) in a school she is obligated to support. That a Catholic father in Brooklyn shouldn't have to worry about his child being taught Judaism in a school he is obligated to support. That a Baptist mother in Salt Lake City shouldn't have to worry about her child being taught Mormonism in a school she is obligated to support. In other words, the fact that organized prayer is not allowed in the schools which your taxes support protects your right to bring up your children with the religous beliefs that *you* think they ought to have. You may argue that it leaves them being taught no religious principles at all in school, but would you rather have them taught none or the "wrong" ones? Frankly, Cheryl and I have decided that when we have children, we will send them to a Catholic school. At least this way they can do the Christmas bulletin board without having someone threaten a major lawsuit. I really believe that if you want religion to be a major part of your child's school experience, you should be willing to send your child to a religious school. At least that way you know that you are in with a like minded group of people who all want their children to have that experience and who share the same beliefs. Maybe someday this country will go on a voucher system similar to the one in the Netherlands, so that every parent can pick a school, public or private, for their children to go to...and this will allow more people to send their children to religious schools if they so desire. However, let us not forget that while a religious school may require extra expenditures, if the religious component is that important to you, then you should be willing to pay the cost of it. But before we try to force our idea of the proper religious component on others, we should consider how we would feel if their idea of the proper religious component were forced upon us. When I think of what my children would have to learn if we lived in Salt Lake City, I say "Three cheers for the disestablishment clause!" keg