[bit.listserv.christia] Church and State - KEG

GATLING@SUVM (Keith E Gatling) (02/09/90)

Gee, I always thought that the original reason for the
"disestablishment  clause" was  because of  all the  abuses that  were
suffered in  England by  people who weren't  members of  the "official
church."  Not only  that,  but  the record  of  how the  Massachusetts
Puritans treated Quakers and other  non-Puritans gives good reason for
the disestablishment clause.  We've seen rather clearly  that once any
particular religious group  gains power, chances are  that they'll put
the  screws to  anyone  who disagrees...and  this  was happening  even
within Christianity.  Hence the disestablishment clause.
    Now,  as far  as removing  prayer from  the schools  goes, on  the
surface this might  look like a most terrible thing.  However, after a
bit of  careful thought, it begins  to look a little  different. Let's
say  for  the moment  that  most  people  on  this list  believe  that
Mormons, as  well meaning  as they  may be,  are not  true Christians.
How would  you feel about school  prayer if you were  a Baptist living
in  Salt   Lake  City?   Remember,  they   will  be   offering  Mormon
prayers...and when  the teacher tries  to put things into  a religious
perspective, it will  be from the Mormon  religious perspective. Still
think  that taking  established  prayer  out of  public  schools is  a
terrible thing?
    Let's take  a less  intense example.   You live  in New  York City,
where there  is great  cultural diversity. The  first question  is, if
prayer  is allowed  in the  public schools,  who chooses  the prayers?
The  individual teacher,  the principal,  the board  of education?  If
the principal or the board of  education choose the prayers, will they
be so watered down  in an attempt to not offend  anyone of a different
religion, that they would be totally  meaningless and a mockery of the
very  idea of  prayer? If  the  teacher were  the one  to decide  what
prayers would  be offered, would this  mean that during the  course of
nine years in elementary school your  child could spend a year hearing
Jewish  prayers,  another  with  Hindu prayers,  another  with  Moslem
prayers, and  so on...*maybe* getting  a whole two years  of Christian
prayers  (and  I'm  not  even  getting  into  Baptist  prayers  versus
Catholic prayers)?  How would you feel about that?
    Perhaps there was some wisdom  in the decision to remove organized
prayer  from public  schools.  Perhaps this  wisdom  was that  parents
should hold  the responsibility for  the religous upbringing  of their
children,  and that  the  state was  ill  equipped to  do  so. That  a
Jewish  mother living  in Boston  shouldn't  have to  worry about  her
child  being taught  Christianity  (and I  note  a difference  between
being taught Christianity  and being taught about it) in  a school she
is  obligated  to   support.  That  a  Catholic   father  in  Brooklyn
shouldn't have  to worry  about his  child being  taught Judaism  in a
school  he is  obligated to  support. That  a Baptist  mother in  Salt
Lake  City  shouldn't have  to  worry  about  her child  being  taught
Mormonism in a school she is obligated to support.
    In other words,  the fact that organized  prayer is not allowed in
the schools which  your taxes support protects your right  to bring up
your children  with the religous  beliefs that *you* think  they ought
to have. You  may argue that it leaves them  being taught no religious
principles at  all in school,  but would  you rather have  them taught
none or the "wrong" ones?
    Frankly,  Cheryl and I have decided that when we have children, we
will send  them to a  Catholic school. At least  this way they  can do
the Christmas bulletin  board without having someone  threaten a major
lawsuit. I  really believe  that if  you want religion  to be  a major
part of your child's school experience,  you should be willing to send
your child  to a  religious school.  At least that  way you  know that
you are  in with  a like  minded group  of people  who all  want their
children  to have  that experience  and  who share  the same  beliefs.
Maybe someday this country will go  on a voucher system similar to the
one  in the  Netherlands,  so that  every parent  can  pick a  school,
public or private,  for their children to go to...and  this will allow
more people  to send their  children to  religious schools if  they so
desire. However, let  us not forget that while a  religious school may
require  extra  expenditures,  if  the  religious  component  is  that
important to you,  then you should be  willing to pay the  cost of it.
But before we try to force  our idea of the proper religious component
on others, we should  consider how we would feel if  their idea of the
proper religious component were forced upon us.
    When I think of what  my children would have  to learn if we lived
in  Salt Lake  City,  I  say "Three  cheers  for the  disestablishment
clause!"

keg