[net.space] Mr. Dietz and "scuttle the shuttle"

dls@mtgzz.UUCP (d.l.skran) (02/12/86)

At long last Mr. Dietz has acknowledged that humans in LEO
may be a good thing, at least for now. This makes me
feel a little better. I think we've all benefited from this
debate since we need to be forced to defend human-in-space
and have very solid arguments, especially now.

In the long run Paul is right: robots and teleoperators will
be very big in space. No space colonies or Solar Power Satellites 
will be build without them. However, at every state of the
process, starting now with the shuttle arm, there will exist a 
need for human control, probably fairly nearby.

Any technology(including the shuttle) can be over-promoted. I suggest
that Paul has been over-optimistic in his short term estimate of
robotics and teleoperation.  We must not allow our desire to push
into space to lead us in this direction. Every decision must be
made on the facts, not on speculation. 

	If the shuttle cargo bay really vibrates, where are numbers,
the reports, the data?
	If the shuttle can economically be converted to an unmanned
vehicle, where are the engineers who endorse this idea?
	If we can build a TAV now, where are the plans? The working engine?
The computer simulations? 
	

Paul also has seemed resistant to the idea that the shuttle
is in fact valuable, in spite of many points made its favor. Let
me add one more.

All R&D has fixed lead times. Even if the shuttle is not the ideal
cheap place to do R&D, we need it(and the space station) YESTERDAY.
The truth is that we are 10 years(at least) worth of zero-gee research away
from knowing how(or what) to manufacture in space. This delay
cannot be compressed by optimism. We must build on existing R&D now,
and we must continue it. Paul vastly(!) overestimates the utility
of drop towers, sounding rockets, jets, and small unmanned capusles
as ways of getting zero gee. We need a lab bench in orbit with
standard equipment. Spacelab is full of specialized(and expensive) stuff.
We need to be able to easily and regularly bring up and return
samples and equipment.
We need crews of scientists working around the clock - not because humans
are cheap labor in space, but because time cannot be manufactured. 

Eventually, no doubt, robots and teleoperated systems may do most
of the work. Eventually, we may all be dead. Eventually isn't good enough.
Getting space based civilization established is going to take a while.
We can't afford wait.

Dale