XVDHMAK@VCUVM1 (Michael Kline) (02/28/90)
Abortion #4 - Part 2 of 2 John Ankerburg Show, 02/25/90. Part 2. MAKS> Since it got so long, this is part 2. This keeps it smaller and should help it run the networks a little smoother. I've received tons bigger than this, but there were 2 subjects and this was convenient. Part 1 dealt with the infant, being human from conception, human with great potential, not a potential human life. This deals with the techniques, testimonies from 2 who had abortions, and John's closing comments. <MAKS ========================================================================== Abortion Techniques: John C. Willke, MD, President, National Right to Life: Menstrual Extraction - A tube is inserted into the womb and the baby is "disrupted" and something similar to an early miscarriage follows. Suction Abortion - 2 weeks-3 months - Vaginal approach, stretches cervix, and inserts suction tube(about 29 times more powerful than vacuum cleaner), which rips the baby apart and pulls it through the tube. Then abortionist cuts and slices afterbirth away from womb. Dilatation & Curettage - same time perhaps a little beyond - uses a loop shaped steel knife, and slices baby to pieces and cuts afterbirth away from uterus. Dilation & Evacuation - after 12 weeks - 4 months. - stretches cervix, without anesthetic, seizes the baby's arm or what ever and rips child to shreds and rips out what he can, skull is then crushed and pulled out, then uterus is scraped for afterbirth. Salt poisoning - 4 months and above - Injects womb with strong salt solution. Recall baby was breathing and swallowing as early as 3 months. The baby breaths and swallows the poison. The baby takes 2-3 hours to die, sometimes convulsing which the mother feels. Then the mother delivers a dead baby. SOMETIMES THEY ARE DELIVERED ALIVE, SOME EVEN SURVIVED TO BE ADOPTED! Interviewer: "Is there concern over late term abortions?" C. Everett Koop - "No question about that. People are easily led to THINKING ABORTION IS UNIMPORTANT IF YOU USE A SEMANTIC KIND OF SMOKE SCREEN and refer to the unborn baby as a fetus, or an embryo, or some tissues, or the product of conception. Very hard to use those terms to refer to a late abortion that looks just like the baby next door." Prostaglandin - any phase - causes intense labor, violent contractions, and vaginal delivery at any age the baby is. In the literature by Upjohn, the doctors are given the "COMPLICATIONS" of using Prostaglandin: 1)Cervical incompetence; 2)Uterine Laceration; 3)LIVE BIRTH. Live Birth is given as a "complication". MAKS> THIS ONE BREAKS MY HEART... <MAKS Hysterotomy - late term - "This is just like any Caesarian section. The mother abdomen is opened, the womb is opened surgically, pulled apart, and the baby is extracted and taken out. Now, Caesarian sections are very common. After this, the baby is handed to the nurse, who sucks out the phlegm, gets the little kid going, puts her in the warming bed, the incubator, gives the baby all that tender loving care. Not now. THIS LITTLE KID HAS A CONTRACT ON HER HEAD. And so the abortionist takes the baby out, cuts the cord, throws the baby in the basin, and lets her die. And if she doesn't die, maybe a head under water, or the placenta on her face, and choke her to death. You see, the baby, according to the abortionist, must not survive, even though separated from the mother." C. Everett Koop - "And therefore late abortions are rather an embarrassment to people. And remember that late abortions are very commonly viable. And one of the saddest things to me about the whole abortion business is that what was a few years ago a woman's RIGHT TO AN ABORTION has NOW become the woman's RIGHT TO A DEAD BABY following abortion and I think that's almost criminal." ========================================================================== John Ankerburg: "Now the feminist majority in their film "Abortion for Survival" have shown a Suction Aspiration abortion that takes place in under 2 minutes. In their film they quickly show the contents of the uterus, what they call the "Product of Conception", and then they say, 'You see, this doesn't look like a real baby.' So you may see for yourself what goes on, here's a film clip and the testimony of some ladies that experienced a similar aspiration abortion." MAKS> Demo of this abortion begins as the lady's voices go on in the background... <MAKS Lady One: "When they actually started to do the abortion, it was at that moment, that for the first time, I realized that was my baby that was being aborted, that this whole thing was not just a sickness, as they tried to make it seem, but a child, my own child was being destroyed in that abortion. It was extremely painful physically, and of course I was going through a lot emotional too. As soon as it was over, I just thought 'Thank God, I'm alive.', that was my first thought." Moderator: "And Cindy, how did you feel?" Cindy: "Well, physically it was painful. It was VERY painful, and they did not tell you it would be this painful. And, I was scared. I was scared to death, laying on the table, and I couldn't really think of anything, I just had all this physical pain. And I heard the vacuum aspirator, what ever, it was on the floor next to me, I heard this humming noise. And I was thinking 'Oh my God, Cindy, what are you doing? You know your baby, they're taking it from you.' And it's just like Monica said, that's what I'm thinking, I'm hearing this noise, laying there, thinking 'My baby, they're taking it from me.' and it was too late." MAKS> The abortion finishes. Yeagh. Anyhow, a nurse pours the contents onto a screen, and to the left is a baby, clearly seen in a spread eagle position, dead obviously, and obviously, human, perhaps 1-3 inches in length. The arms had been ripped off, and it was missing most of the head, but the body and legs were just fine. <MAKS John: "What the feminist majority did not show in their film was a close up view of the "Product of Conception". If they had shown you a close up view of the remains of any abortion done just 42 days after conception, you would have seen small hands, small feet, arms, and legs. You would have seen twisted bodies and crushed heads. Yes, these babies are small, but is that any excuse to kill them? Even the first 30 days after conception when a human life is developing through the early stages of cell division and multiplication, there is no doubt scientifically that it is alive and it is fully human. The scientific facts lead us to conclude that even at this stage, abortion is the pre-meditated killing of human life. What reasons can be given for allowing abortion at any stage? Science has shown us that the growing child is not just a blob of tissues, not part of the mother's body in any way. Rather science has shown us that the child in the womb is an independent human being. Therefore wouldn't you agree that these innocent human beings, these children in the womb, they must be protected? If we value human life at all, how can we allow abortions to continue?" ========================================================================== MAKS> What do I think? John takes a strong stand, and I perhaps hold it as well. I doubt that I would "kidnap" as it were, any lady to stop her, but if I had a chance to get a law passed that any lady would have to see a program like this before the final decision was made, I think I would. I think I would also, if it could be arranged, have the woman speak to 1 or 2 that had an abortion, perhaps 1 or 2 that didn't like it, and 1 or 2 that did, or perhaps have video tapes of interviews the woman would watch. An 800 number would be nice, but I presume they exist here and there. If an abortion were called for, for health reasons, I would want at least 2 doctor's opinions, not related to the problem in any way, perhaps 2 gynecologists and 2 pediatricians. This seems fair, does it not? Then, before making her decision, she would be shown a sonagram of her child, preferably one that shows movement. Then, let the woman do what she wants, the blood is on her hands. Dr. Willke made a similar proposal to someone in NOW I believe for much of the above proposal, and they said "No way!". For the Christian, God is a loving and forgiving God, and in Him is forgiveness and healing and peace. I realize that a woman who may have had an abortion might find this upsetting, but no matter what you've done, God loves you. <MAKS In His Love, Michael A. Kline, Sr. SSE VDH, Technical Support (804)786-1559 XVDHMAK at VCUVM1 Richmond, Virginia
U1A9A@WVNVM (Bernice Tennant) (02/28/90)
Michael, Your posting was very sad and very informative. I can't imagine that it was easy for you to research. Do you Counsel anywhere? You should. If I knew anyone who was considering abortion, I wouldn't hesitate to show them your post on abortion. The truth is sometimes hard to face but even harder after the fact. I never had an abortion. I had a d&c after a miscarriage and that was hard enough. If only these young girls had the information you provided us with by law, I'm sure many more would not abort. God Bless you for the post. Your friend in Christ, Bernice
XVDHMAK@VCUVM1 (Michael Kline) (03/01/90)
*** Reply to note of 02/28/90 08:59 This last post was the hardest, especially the part about cutting the baby's cord and throwing it in the basin, and downing or choking it if it didn't die. Joel was c-section. I was trying to think about if it would be justifiable homicide for my thoughts on those that do such things. Not very Christian, I know. Sarah was watching the program and looking like she was concerned. I called her over to the desk, hugged her hard, and told her, "I love you, I'm glad you are my daughter, and mommy and I would never consider such a thing." I don't think she was concerned about herself, but it was quite evident that the "product of conception" was a mass of little babies. Even at 10 years old she could could tell what was going on. I just got out of an Oracle class held here in the building. The instructor got to see my office. Later that day I said something about a pastor's comment, and he said, 'That was your Bible in your office wasn't it?' I said yes. He said, 'I knew it, good man. I'm a member of the Gideons(sp) society and I try to read a chapter a day.' I've been mistaken for a pastor a good many times. Linda's the councilor in out family, but 4 children and home schooling has put the brakes to that for a while. Last year I was able to take Monday's off for several months and Linda went on Mondays. In His Love, Michael A. Kline, Sr. SSE VDH, Technical Support (804)786-1559 XVDHMAK at VCUVM1 Richmond, Virginia