MENTER@UNLVAX3.BITNET (PAUL MENTER) (01/15/90)
What does netware 386 v3.1 support for TCP/IP really mean? Do it mean: 1) I can FTP to a novell server 2) I can Telnet to a novell server and run a DOS session from a VT-100 on a terminal server 3) my DOS workstation talk to a novell server with TCP or IP protocols rather than IPX, SPX protocols Paul Menter
MOLTA@VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU (01/16/90)
>What does netware 386 v3.1 support for TCP/IP really mean? Do it mean: As I understand it, Netware 386 v 3.1 will not actually include support for TCP/IP. Rather, it will include hooks so that the TCP/IP NLMs will be able to be loaded, once they're released later this year. As far as your specific questions are concerned, I'll speculate based on what I've heard, but if anyone from Novell is listening, it would be real helpful to hear more specifics on this issue. >1) I can FTP to a novell server I would assume that this would be a fundamental component of any TCP/IP implementation that they would release. >2) I can Telnet to a novell server and run a DOS session from a VT-100 on > a terminal server This is not very likely and if it were implemented, would have a significant negative impact on server performance. >3) my DOS workstation talk to a novell server with TCP or IP protocols > rather than IPX, SPX protocols There has been some talk about a pure IP client, but there are serious problems in terms of memory overhead. I think Novell would like to see a university work on this. Dave Molta University of North Texas
wittmann@ENGR.WISC.EDU (art wittmann) (01/16/90)
> > >What does netware 386 v3.1 support for TCP/IP really mean? Do it mean: > > As I understand it, Netware 386 v 3.1 will not actually include support for > TCP/IP. Rather, it will include hooks so that the TCP/IP NLMs will be able > to be loaded, once they're released later this year. As far as your specific > questions are concerned, I'll speculate based on what I've heard, but if anyone > from Novell is listening, it would be real helpful to hear more specifics on > this issue. > > >1) I can FTP to a novell server > > I would assume that this would be a fundamental component of any TCP/IP > implementation that they would release. > > >2) I can Telnet to a novell server and run a DOS session from a VT-100 on > > a terminal server > > This is not very likely and if it were implemented, would have a significant > negative impact on server performance. > Agreed, Don't look for telnet services, SMTP mail, on the other hand may be a possibility. > >3) my DOS workstation talk to a novell server with TCP or IP protocols > > rather than IPX, SPX protocols > > There has been some talk about a pure IP client, but there are serious problems I'd guess PC-NFS would be the product to use here. > in terms of memory overhead. I think Novell would like to see a university > work on this. > I imagine the most significant part of Novell's TCP/IP support will be NFS. They've licensed the RPC/NFS stuff from sun, so they should then be allowing Unix clients to mount Netware file systems. It's going to be interesting to see just what they will support along with NFS. NFS alone doesn't make up a fully distributed filesystem. You need something like yellowpages for distributed security and rights data. (The following is only opinion - Don't expect that I know what I'm talking about) Another interesting possibility is that of mounting Unix filesystems on a Novell server and then allowing DOS clients to access those mounted directories. I'd be pretty suprised (somewhat delighted) to see this. Clearly, for Netware 386 to be the LAN OS of the '90s, Unix filesystems will have to be treated with some respect, I haven't seen anything that would indicate how Novell will provide that respect. I suspect that the TCP/IP services will be marginally acceptable and that Novell's true interests are in ISO protocols. If BSD 4.4 offers good support for ISO protocols, TCP/IP may become a protocol on it's way out. Art =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Art Wittmann Phone: (608) 263-1748 Network Manager Email: wittmann@engr.wisc.edu Computer Aided Engineering Center or: wittmann@cae.wisc.edu University of Wisconsin, Madison