[bit.listserv.novell] tp ethernet

DOBEIRNE@IRLEARN.BITNET (Dermot O'Beirne) (02/12/90)

Can anyone please let me know the 'relative' cost of the various components
in tp ethernet systems as against thinnet, thick and fibre components. I
am not talking about the actual cabling or its installation but sub-parts
like terminators, PC cards, bridges, repeaters and hubs (presumably needed
for tp).

Thanks,

Dermot O'Beirne

MOLTA@VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU (02/13/90)

>Can anyone please let me know the 'relative' cost of the various components
>in tp ethernet systems as against thinnet, thick and fibre components. I
>am not talking about the actual cabling or its installation but sub-parts
>like terminators, PC cards, bridges, repeaters and hubs (presumably needed
>for tp).

When comparing the relative costs of twisted-pair Ethernet to thinwire
Ethernet, you will need to make sure you consider both initial costs of
each system as well as recurring maintenance and management costs.  Thinwire
Ethernet will almost always be cheaper up front, but you have to affix some
kind of cost component to reliability and diagnosis of problems.  For example,
every time I have to send a couple of people to a building on campus to
troubleshoot a thinwire cabling problem, it costs the university money.  In
addition, there is some monetary value associated with the loss of productivity
experienced by the people whose Ethernet is down.  Finally, how do you attach
a cost to the fact that Professor X can't reorganize his office a certain
way because the thinwrire segment won't reach across the room without re-
installing the cable segment.  Unfortunately, these problems and their
associated costs are difficult to predict in advance; all we can say for sure
is that if you have large thinwire Ethernet segments, you will eventually
develop problems.  With twisted-pair, star topologies, you have greatly
enhanced problem detection/isolation, superior network monitoring/management,
and much more flexibility to reconfigure the physical layout of the network.

Having said all of that, here are some cost components that I have begun to
gather in dealing with two new building-wide twisted-pair Ethernets:

Interface cards: In the short term, you will probably be able to purchase
clone-quality thinwire Ethernet cards for less that twisted-pair cards.  I've
seen Novell NE-1000s for less than $150 each.  Now that commodity Ethernet
card vendors, such as Western Digital, have announced twisted pair cards,
I anticipate that we will see discounted TP cards available for between $200
and $250 (the WD TP cards list for $349).  We have been working with Cabletron,
whose cards have some unique diagnostic and management features, and they have
indicated that we would be looking at pricing of less than $250 on large
quantity orders.

Concentrators: The cost of concentrators is highly dependent on the features
of the unit itself.  A barebones TP concentrator without network management
will probably run you about $150 per port, assuming you can swing a discount
in the 25% range.  More sophisticated systems with network management, such
as those available from David Systems, Fibermux, Cabletron, Optical Data
Systems, and Synoptics, will probably run between $200 and $300 per port
discounted.

Bridges: Some of the more sophisticated concentrators, such as those available
from Cabletron and Synoptics, include options for the integration of a MAC-level
bridge within the concentrator chassis itself.  The incremental cost of $3500
to $4000 is usually about the same as for a high-performance stand-alone bridge.
Since all of the concentrators include an AUI port, you can always use a
stand-alone bridge connected directly to the concentrator if you want to go
with a medium-performance bridge.

As far as repeaters and terminators are concerned, they don't really apply
in the TP environment since each concentrator port really includes repeater
functions.  One of the nice devices that Cabletron sells is a TP to thinwire
converter that allows a twisted pair port to support up to 9 thinwire devices
that are daisy-chained together.  Of course, using this device forces you to
give up some of the management/fault isolation capabilities inherent in TP
Ethernet.

I hope this helps and I'd be happy to discuss TP Ethernet issues in more
detail with anyone who's interested.

Dave Molta
University of North Texas
817-565-2324