tlmail@HPLABSB.HPL.HP.COM (Ted Laliotis - special mail drop) (01/12/90)
I just heard on the radio (7:00pm CBS news) that thousands of Albanians demonstrated in Athens protesting against the Albanian communist regime. Does anyone have any more details? Ted Laliotis, Palo Alto, Calif.
LIODAKIS@MCMASTER.BITNET (01/12/90)
Re Laliwth pou bre0hkan oi xiliades Albanwn sthn A0hna? kala eisai? Isws xiliades Albanwn na 0elan nanai sthn A0hna alla.... Aytoi pou diadhlwsan htan pioi alloi? oi Boreio Hpeirwtes Amerikhs kanada kai aystralias mazi me poious allous? tou dikous mas e0nikofrwnes Ksereis poios milhse sthn sygkentrwsh? o Agios Konitshs! ena apo ta mega- lytera fasistomoutra ths Elladas!!! To kako einai oti nai men exoun dikiio na diadhlwnoun gia ta dikaiwmata twn Ellhnwn ths Albanias alla epeidh mono synthritika stoixeia (px. ekklhsia) kapelwnoun tis prospa0eies, kai yparxei kai istoriko prohgoumeno me thn xounta, o dhmokratikos kosmos ths Elladas den symmetexei! Einai de poly ypopth kai dynamika mallon blaberh h stash tou SAmara pou ana- kinhse to 0ema. Ksereis oti oi Tourkoi milane gia tourkous ths 0rakhs enw emeis leme mousoulmanoi ths 0rakhs. twra ksafnika poios? o ypourgos twn ekswterikwn ths elladas mila gia Ellhnes ths Albanias! kai fysika oi tourkoi triboun ta xeria tous. H dikh mas stash sto zhthma ths meionothtas sthn 0rakh einai oti oi mousoulmanoi (kai oxi tourkoi) einai ellhnes yphkooi kai apolambanoun ta idia dikaiwmata kai exoun kai tis idies ypoxrewseis me olous tou ypoloi- pous ellhnes. kai ksafnika milame gia ELLHNES ths Albanias pou einai Albanoi uphkooi kai exoun ta idia dikaiwmata (posa twra allo kapello isws) me tous allou s albanous. na deis pou h tourkia 0a mas thn ferei se ola ta die0nh fora pali . o malakas o samaras kai o Mhtsotakhs, gia na ikanopoihsoun kapoia fasistoeidh st oixeia pou paraponiountai teleytaia, diakhbeyoun pali e0nika symferonta se sxesh me thn tourkia. makari na bgw pseyths alla poly fobamai pws pali gkafa kaname! ante geia xara liodakis@mcmaster
LIODAKIS@MCMASTER.BITNET (01/12/90)
Denni den tis bazw to idio to kako einai oti dinoume pali labes emmesa sthn tourkia! ase kai sou eipa fobamai oti kanoume gkafa die0nous diastashs! ante bye twra
sourlas@SEAS.UCLA.EDU (Dennis Sourlas) (01/12/90)
Kala ta les re liodaki alla bazeis sto idio kazani thn Ellada kai thn Albania ? GO RAMS >>>>-------------------<<<<<<< GO RAMS >>>>>>>>-----------<<<< GO RAMS
branis@SCI.CCNY.CUNY.EDU (Spiros Branis) (01/12/90)
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ck@REX.CS.TULANE.EDU (Cris Koutsougeras) (01/13/90)
Gia siga re Mavwln, miso lefto .... > Kammia diethnhs gafa den egine file Liodakh, to antitheto malista. Auto morei kai va eivai alntheia giati av telika givei perestroika stnv albavia tote tha mporoume va leme kai meis oti "prwtoi tous kraksame" kai va apofugoume to pathma me tnv roumavia pou bgnkav oloi ek twv usterwv va pavngurisouv kai dev kserav ti va pouv otav tous rwtagave "giati dev eipate priv tipota ; " (parepiptovtws tnv teleutaia fora pou o tsaouseskou avebale to taksidi tou stnv athnva ntav giati DEN tov afnvave va meivei sto proedriko megaro opou nthele autos kala kai swvei va meivei, opou tnv teleutaia fora pou tov eixave afnsei n asfaleia tou ta ekave tout-tout-kapello ksnlwvovtas mexri kai tapetsaries ....) Omws egw dev eimai sigouros oti priv kavouve tis dnlwseis pou kavave frovtisave va evnmerwthouve me leptomereies gia to ti egive kai suvepws mou faivetai oti mallov kolofardoi ntav telika me tis ekselikseis. > ypourgou mas. Oso gia tis asteies fwnes twn Toyrkwn, eides na toys pairnei > kanenas sta sobara...Eides na kalypse pote to CNN h kapoio allo kanali h > sobaro periodiko h efhmerida tis syggentrwseis sthn Polh; Oi geitones mas > exoun geloiopoihthei me kati tetoia apo kairo kai kaneis pia den tous dinei > shmasia... Etsi les va eivai n mnpws eivai pou tous exouv sta opa-opa kai ta koukoulwvouv ; Edw gia to armeviko zntnma sto kggresso kapelwsave tnv epitropn pou katadikaze tnv gevoktovia, perimeves esu meta va bgn kai n tnleorasn tous va deiksei diethvws ta xalia tous ; Edw 5 kila varkwtikwv piavei n astuvomia kai pavngurizouv, akouse kaveis tipota gia to ploio pou piasave stnv mersiva ; Xrnstos
TOMM@UORDBV.BITNET (01/13/90)
Kammia diethnhs gafa den egine file Liodakh, to antitheto malista.
To CNN metedide xthes olh mera anamesa sta kyriwtera nea tis ellhnikes
antidraseis gia thn katastash sthn Albania, me eikona apo thn syggentrwsh
ths Athinas kai anafora se plhrofories tou Yiougoslabikoy praktoreiou oti
sthn deyterh polh ths Albanias (Skodra) kai se polla xwria xekinhsan epa-
nastatikes kinhseis, oi opoies bebaia antimetwpisthkan dynamika apo thn
Albanikh astynomia. An syntoma eleyterwthei kai h Albania apo toys Stali-
nikoys Tyrannous ths, kapoio rolo tha exei paixei kai h "gafa" toy "malaka"
ypourgou mas. Oso gia tis asteies fwnes twn Toyrkwn, eides na toys pairnei
kanenas sta sobara...Eides na kalypse pote to CNN h kapoio allo kanali h
sobaro periodiko h efhmerida tis syggentrwseis sthn Polh; Oi geitones mas
exoun geloiopoihthei me kati tetoia apo kairo kai kaneis pia den tous dinei
shmasia...
Manwlns Twmadakns
Rochester,NYDALEVRAS@NYBVX1.BITNET (Dimitris Alevras) (01/13/90)
To oti o Samaras xarakthrise tous "Ellhnes" ths Albanias Ellhnes shmainei oti einai upoptos(gia ti akribws?) ? Afou o filos Liodakhs fainetai na einai enhmerwmenos na ton rwthsw an mporei na ginei o diaxwrismos me bash to 0rhskeuma sthn periptwsh ths Albanias. Twra epeidh oi Tourkoi fwnazoun gia kati pou den ginetai (as ksekinhsoume me auto to dedomeno), prepei ki emeis na to boulwsoume gia kati pou ginetai(ki auto upo0esh)? "Fwnazei o klefths". Oso gia tis dhmokratikes dunameis(!) .... pali ta idia 0a leme? Epeidh prolaban ta fasistika stoixeia na ekmetaleu0oun to 0ema kanoume thn papia? 'H mhpws yparxoun kai alloi logoi? Sta teleutaia gegonota exei parathrh0ei mia dusleitourgia sta grafeia tupou twn kommatwn pou apartizoun tis dhmokratikes dunameis. Polu argoun autes oi anakoinwseis. Mallon tous sampotarei o Samaras... Dimitris -------
LIODAKIS@MCMASTER.BITNET (01/13/90)
Re paidia mallon la0os katalabate! den diafwnw me thn 0esh twn kommatwn
gia proaspish twn symferontwn kai an0rwpinwn dikaiwmatwn twn Ellhnwn ths
Albanias, aplws lew oti mporousame na poume xristianwn kai oxi Ellhnwn.
sas ekshghsa to epixeirhma mas se sxesh me th 0rakh, to opoio den einai
mpoumeragk sthn periptwsh ths Albanias. pws dhladh oi xristianoi ths albanias
einai ellhnes kai oi mousoulmanoi ths 0rakhs DEN einai tourkoi?
ase pou den stekei na dexomaste de jure ton oro Ellhnes sthn albania
diaferei poly apo to Albanians of Greek origin ktl
mhn pesoume sto louki tou epixeirhmatos ths tourkias. kai aytoi to idio 0a lene
twra pali: "tourkoi ths 0rakhs" oxi mousoulmanoi.
an 0ymamai kala epi Pasok kati egine me ton Alia kai anoiksan ta synora
kai ola edeixnan oti 0a proxwrousame se lysh (px. na afhsoun ta tirana na
palinosthsoun osoi ellhnes h0elan.) meta to 0ema den proxwrhse logw ypanaxwrhshs
ths albanias kai eswterikwn problhmatwn ths elladas (skandala kai eklaiges !
)
twra anakineitai se swsto xrono (px allages sthn anatolikh eyrwph) alla se la0os
context (ellhnes ths albanias) eyxomai na bgw egw pseyths kai eseis alh0hnoi.
poly fobaai omws oti oi tourkoi 0a to ekmetaleytoun pali tous xeirismous mas
kai 0a exoume patatragouda me th 0rakh. ante geia xara kai kala ksemperdemata
liodakis@mcmasterAXK107@PSUVM.BITNET (kafatos antonios 862-2250) (01/13/90)
gia soy manwli.mipws jereis ti egine sto mats paok-olympiakos?
TOMM@UORDBV.BITNET (01/13/90)
Xrhsto, egw den milhsa oute gia Armenia oute gia narkwtika. Milhsa gia
Albania kai gia Dytikh Thrakh. Kaneis den amfiballei gia ta kanakemata twn
Amerikanwn pros tous Tourkous kai kaneis den agnoei ta symferonta poy kry-
bontai apo pisw. Alla as mhn ypotimoume toso kai th dikh mas dynamh sto
Koggresso, kai kyriws sthn EOK. Makari na eixan kai oi dysmoiroi Armenioi
kapoia dynamh sto exwteriko na antipalaipsei ta Amerikanika kai Tourkika
symferonta.
Allwste, ta gegonota miloun mona tous: Apo kairo oi Ellhnikes ekpompes
sta braxea anaferontai pote-pote se syggentrwseis Toyrkwn sthn Polh kai
allou, opou kaine Ellhnikes Shmaies, kai diarrhgnyoun ta imatia tous gia
thn "katapiesh twn Tourkwn ths D.Thrakhs",kathws kai se ...diabhmata twn
Tourkwn pros thn Ellhnikh kybernhsh. Eutyxws omws, m'auta ta trella asxo-
lountai MONO oi Ellhnikes ekpompes sta braxea.
Antitheta, molis xekinhsan kapoies epishmes antidraseis sthn Ellada gia
tous Stalinistes Tyrannous (elpizw edw na mhn yparxei diafwnia...) to CNN
kai ta alla megala diktya metedwsan thn eidhsh. Opws hdh anefera, to CNN
eixe kai eikona apo th syggentrwsh ths Athinas kai synedese emmesa tis
Ellhnikes antidraseis (kai dh tou "malaka" Samara) me ton xeshkwmo pou hdh
arxise kai sthn Albania.
Manwlns Twmadakns
Rochester,NYTOMM@UORDBV.BITNET (01/13/90)
Opws ki'alloi filoi egrapsan sth lista, o PAOK kerdise ton Olympiako
me 1-0. Sta braxea eipane xtes gia 31 traymaties astynomikous kai 7 filathlous
tou PAOK, kathoti ta MAT ekanan "ntou" sth thyra 4a, kata thn prosfilh tous
taktikh (alhtheia, giati den kanoyn to idio kai katw, ki'ekei exei diamantia
stis kerkides...). To gol tou PAOK o Lagwnidhs sto 13'.H rebans ston Peiraia
se dyo bdomades, ki' o theos na balei to xeri tou.
Y.G. Antwnh, gnwrizomaste;
Manwlns Twmadakns
Rochester,NYgeogiou@GN.ECN.PURDUE.EDU (Ioannes T Georgiou) (01/13/90)
Eyge ! !
geogiou@GN.ECN.PURDUE.EDU (Ioannes T Georgiou) (01/13/90)
Prokeita gia dyo diaforetika pragmata: To ka0esto ths ellados einai dhmokratia kai oi tourkoi katoikoi ths 0rakhs den katapiezontai. Enw to ka0estos ths alvania einai oso mayro oso kai to pio xeiro-tero fasistiko systhhma ghs kai pio kokkino apo to stalistiko ka0estos. Opote den vlepw giati na exoume paratragouda sthn 0rakh. Yiannis (Arkas). P.S. Mia erwthsh gia ton filo pou eipe oti o Andreas symfwnhse sto Davos na egkatalipsei to alvaniko na mas dwsei stioxeia (keimena kai hmerominies) gia na doume ti ginetai.
AXK107@PSUVM.BITNET (kafatos antonios 862-2250) (01/13/90)
Gia soy Tomm. S'eyxaristw poly gia thn pliroforia.Kai ti den tha edina na imouna stin Toumpa. Katw ta xeria apo tin PAOKARA. Na deis poy tha timwrithoume paradeigmatika, opws ginetai panta. Den jerw an gnwrizomaste alla emena me lene Antwni Kafato, piga sto kolegeio kai meta sto polytexneio.Menw stin Sofouli,stin Kalamaria kai pigainw suxna sto kafeneio tou Apostoli stin Bogatsikou kai Projenou Koromila. Auta eixa na soy pw an theleis apantise i tilefwnise mou i dwse moy to tilefwno soy. Gia sou kai eyxaristw, moy eftiajes tin diathesi.