rigoutso@ROBROY.NYU.EDU (01/14/90)
To parakatw to ksanastelnw sthn lista mias kai to prohgoumeno posting mou den fainetai na eftase se arketous apo tous listobious.... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- File Lewnida o Petropoulos kala ta leei gia ta kakws keimena tou Elladistan. Kai mias mou eipe oti eksusa ligo thn katastash skefthka na thn ksusw ligo akoma. ELLADISTANIKO ALALOUM (meros Bhton) Apo ta Xristougenna tou 1987, ksanaphga Ellada to perasmeno kalokairi (keno 1 1/2 xronou) kai ekote ksanaphga twra ta Xristougenna (keno 1/2 xronou). Kai omws pistepse me oi allages tou 1 1/2 xronou oute kan sugkrinontai me tis allages tou teleutaiou eksamhnou. Htan san ena kuma na sunephre thn Ellada (h tha eprepe na lew Elladistan ?) mesa se ena eksamhno. Idiwtikoi radiofwnikoi kai thleoptikoi stathmoi na ksefutrwnoun san ta manitaria pantou: perissoteroi apo kammia 50aria radiof. stathmoi mesa sthn Athina (nomimoi kai mh) kai (gia thn wra toulaxiston) 8 tv kanalia htoi oi 3 ERT, Antenna, MEGA channel, TV Plus, Seven-X, Kanali 29 (se auta prepei na prosteseis ola ta doruforika kanalia pou ftanoune Ellada). Tha mou peite bebaia giati anaferomai sta mesa mazikhs enhmerwshs. Tha dwsw amesws ena paradeigma: kathomai loipon prwi kata tis 7 kai pinw to frapeddaki mou (me gala xwris tis 49 zaxares) kai exw balei to radiofwno se ena tuxaio stathmo. Ksafnika me to pou xtupaei to roloi 7 bgainei o ekfwnhths kai leei: "one o two point four FM" -- nai sta agglika -- " O stathmos twn newn, o dikos sas stathmos. Prwino programma gia sas pou etoimazeste gia to sxoleio" (!!) Kai arxinaei meta Lambada kai Billy Joel (kserete o Sarakatsanaios pou legame exthes...) kai alla omorfa. Nomizw den xreiazetai sxolio edw. Kai pame sthn thleorash: ena paradeigma to edwsa exthes. Akoloythei deutero. To MEGA Channel diafhmizei thn seira Falcon Crest san thn "kaluterh koinwnikh seira ths teleutaias dekaetias". An uparxei theos... Perito na poume oti spaei rekor akroamatikothtas. Opws kai me to xthesino paradeigma, h shmasia brisketai sthn leptomereia twn oswn legontai akougontai kai grafontai. Kai tha pei o filos o Lewnidas twra: "dhladh ti upainisessai?" Gia osous den diabasane *anamesa* apo tis parapanw grammes, auto pou sunebh sthn xwra mas to teleutaio eksamhno htan mia dioxeteush (hthelhmenh h oxi den to eksetazw) apo ta mesa mazikhs enhmerwshs ( kai dh TV kai radio) mias allhs nootropias kai enos allou tropou zwhs gia tous opoious, as mhn trefoume autapates, h Ellhnikh pragmatikothta den einai akoma etoimh. Oi Ellhnes arxisane dustuxws na pisteoune oti ola prepei na ginontai kata ta protupa twn ksenwn sapounoperwn opou oloi oi prwtagwnistes apolambanoun ulika agatha alla kanenas tous den emfanizetai na ponokefaliazei gia themata karierras (nai kserw h "Dunasteia" apotelei eksairesh alla as opsetai h Alexis gi auto). Kai leei o mpampas ki h mama sto kamari tous: "paidi mou kytta na breis kammia douleia sto dhmosio h se kammia trapeza". Pou sthn koinh kathomiloumenh shmainei "kutta na mpeis kapou pou na mhn se apolusoune pote". Apotelesma auth th stigmh uparxoune kapou 400.000 (give or take) dhmosioi upalhlloi/trapezikoi sthn xwra mas, htoi 1 gia kathe 20 Ellhnes. Se ola ta parapanw prosthetoume twra to emfuto se olous tous Ellhnes stoixeio tou "wxadelfismou" Kai briskomaste mprosta sto luphro fainomeno grammatewn na mhn kseroune grafomhxanh, atomwn pou douleoune stis uphresies thewrhsewn spoudastikou sunallagmatos na mhn kseroune ti shmainei "stipend", kai upallhlwn pou akoma psaxnoune thn leksh pou arxizei apo M teleiwnei se KOS, exei 8 grammata kai einai epitheto gia ton mh exonta idiaiterh klish gia ergasia. Dustuxws file Lewnida, h pleionothta twn Ellhnwn mporei na ksupnaei stis 7 to prwi na paei sthn douleia, alla elaxistoi apo autous douleoune sth diarkeia tou oktawrou. Kai fusika oloi tous plhrwnontai. Apo ton megalodieuthunth mexri ton taksitzh pou mou elege oti an den balei triplh koursa mesa den bgainei to merokamato tou. --- Meta bebaia mou ebgale mplokaki kai ustera apo proxeirous upologismous mou dhlwse me kamari oti mesa se 11 mhnes ebgale 3.590.000 kathara --- Kai ola auta thn stigmh pou o misthos tou antiprutanh tou Panepisthmiou Athinwn pou skotwnetai mera nuxta paleuontas enantia se autous pou antikeintai sthn idrush sxolhs plhroforikhs sto Panepisthmio Athinwn den ksepernaei tis 200.000 ton mhna. Ta **polla** lefta dustuxws sthn Ellada auth th stigmh ta exoune sta xeria tous atoma pou den ta dikaiountai (aksiokratika milwntas panta). Kai fusika mias kai to xrhma prepei na kineitai prepei kai na ksodeutei kai pali akolouthontas "TA" protupa. Me ola ta apotelesmata pou fernei auto. Stous dromous akous na milietai ena sunothuleuma Agglikwn kai Ellhnikwn. Sta megala magazia blepeis na pouliountai mono montelakia "oikwn" kai oxi ntopia. Turopitadika ths Fwkiwnos Negrh metallasontai se pararthmata tou Giorgio Armani kai zaxaroplasteia se pitsa&pasta magazia poluteleias. Sth Xarilaou Trikouph ta papoutsadika poulane apo Timberland kai panw. Sta diskadika oi bitrines einai gemates me ekswfulla mono ksenwn diskwn, pou kai pou mporeis isws na deis kanena disko twn Katsimixaiwn ksexasmeno kato apo to teleutaio single ths Paula Abdul. Sta estiatoria, ta Agglika (h Gallika analoga me to magazi) arxizoune na ektopizoune ta Ellhnika. H alusida twn xampourgeradikwn Wendy's exei anoiksei pararthma sthn Khfisia kai gia na doulepseis ekei prepei na diatheteis gnwseis Agglikhs (epi toutou pio eidikos einai o Papa-Petros). An anteksate kai ftasate mexri edw na sas perigrapsw kai tria peristatika sta opoia eimouna marturas, en eidei kerasakiou: 1) pthsh Brukselles Athina: mprosta mou kathontai mama kai korh ntummenes me maures gounes kai ferouses ikanon arithmo xrusafikwn kai allwn kosmhmatwn. Leei loipon h mama sthn korh: Den mou les Marianthh, poses wres einai h pthsh, mia? Kai epembainei o kurios apo thn mprostinh thesh legontas "Oxi kuria mou, treis". Kai leei tote h mama ths Marianthhs "A, tha fame kiolas!!" 2) idia pthsh kai enw o pilotos molis exei anaggeilei oti petame panw apo thn Stoutgardh. Pali h Mama ths Marianths: "Marianth, Marianth Makedonia! Ftasame!" 3) badizontas pros thn eksodo tou kinhmatografou opou molis exei teleiwsei h parastash ths tainias tou Milos Forman "Valmont": Dipla mou briskontai tria zeugaria ta opoia kritikaroun thn tainia megalofwna. Ksafnika o enas apo tous antres ths pareas leei: "Tou allou Sabbatou omws tha pame sta klarina, entaksei?" Opws elege kai o Beggos ston Stauro Ksenidh se palia Ellhnikh tainia: "Pou thn pame thn episthmh Daskale?" Isidwros p.s. A kai kati pou eida phgainontas gia to aerodromio. Apenanti apo tis sthles tou Olumpiou Dios kai sthn taratsa enos ktiriou uparxei mia terastia epigrafh pou einai fwtismenh thn nuxta kai leei: _ phi | _ wmega | | V V A F T W K I N H T A M. STAMOU Lewf. Suggrou XXX ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Isidore Rigoutsos |Internet: rigoutso@cs.nyu.edu Computer Science Department |BITNET:rigoutso%robroy@NYUCIMSA Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences|UUCP: ...!cmcl2!robroy!rigoutso New York University | 251 Mercer Street |FAX: (212) 995 4122 New York, NY 10012 |Voice: (212) 998 3471 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LEON%tiger@ENG.ENG.OHIO-STATE.EDU (01/14/90)
Kala ta les Isisdwre: >....auto pou sunebh sthn xwra mas to teleutaio eksamhno htan mia dioxeteush >(hthelhmenh h oxi den to eksetazw) apo ta mesa mazikhs enhmerwshs >( kai dh TV kai radio) mias allhs nootropias kai enos allou tropou zwhs... Enw omws o ishyrismos einai swstos, katalhgeis sto na kathgoreis ton (de facto) pathtiko dekth ths apoprosanatolistikhs koultouras kai ohi ton dhmiourgo kai diavivasth ths. Einai moiraio na ephreasteis apo thn plhroforia pou sou parehei mia phgh mazikhs enhmerwshs, alla den eisai oute o idiokthths ths, oute askeis kathoristiko elegho sto preiexomeno kai th morfh ths. Einai san na kathgoroume, sthn periptwsh enos diastrevlwtikou ekpaideutikou systhmatos ohi tous empneustes tou, alla to mathntn pou diaplathetai. >Ta **polla** lefta dustuxws sthn Ellada auth th stigmh ta exoune sta xeria tous >atoma pou den ta dikaiountai (aksiokratika milwntas panta). Symfwnoi kai edw! Omws pio oikonomiko systhma (toulaxiston sth Dysh) eggyatai aksiokratia. Mou einai dyskolo na pistepsw oti oi idiokthtes ths X epixeirhshs ston dhthen "eleuthero" kosmo einai pio "aksioi" apo tous episthmones h tous ergates pou apasxoloun, asheta an idiopoiountai to megisto meros ths aksias pou paragei h epixeirhsh. Oute oti oi ftwxoi kai oi astegoi ktl. tou idiou kosmou einai "aksioi" ths moiras tous. >Sta megala magazia blepeis na pouliountai mono montelakia "oikwn" kai oxi >ntopia. Turopitadika ths Fwkiwnos Negrh metallasontai se pararthmata tou >Giorgio Armani kai zaxaroplasteia se pitsa&pasta magazia poluteleias. Sth >Xarilaou Trikouph ta papoutsadika poulane apo Timberland kai panw. Sta >diskadika oi bitrines einai gemates me ekswfulla mono ksenwn diskwn, pou kai >pou mporeis isws na deis kanena disko twn Katsimixaiwn ksexasmeno kato apo to >teleutaio single ths Paula Abdul. Sta estiatoria, ta Agglika (h Gallika >analoga me to magazi) arxizoune na ektopizoune ta Ellhnika. H alusida twn >xampourgeradikwn Wendy's exei anoiksei pararthma sthn Khfisia kai gia na >doulepseis ekei prepei na diatheteis gnwseis Agglikhs (epi toutou pio eidikos >einai o Papa-Petros). Den kserw ti prospatheis na peis edw. An pisteveis (den kserw!) sthn eleutherh oikonomia tha eprepe na dexteis ta parapanw sa physiologikh synepeia ths symmetoxhs ths Elladas se ena oikoumeniko systhma oikonomikou antagwnismou. Ti tha 'leges; Na apagoreuame tis eisagwges Timberland; An yponoeis oti oi Ellhnes "kalopernane" (to akousame ki' auto!), ta stoixeia pou anaferontai stous deiktes tou viotikou epipedou se sygkrish me xwres ths Dytikhs Evrwphs mallon to antitheto apodeiknuoun. Oson afora tis proswpikes sou empeiries sevastes alla den apodeiknyoun tipote. Mporw na sou anaferw paromoia, an ohi pio tragelafika, peristatika apo th zwh sthn Amerikh h thn Agglia. Tha katalhgame sta idia symperasmata kai gia tis xwres autes; Filika, Lewnithas
PETROPOULOS@NUACC.BITNET (01/14/90)
31 Dekembriou, 8pm, enarksh Antenna TV. Parousiasths (Abantadoros) o Terence Quick (sic!). Oi atheofoboi anoiksan kainourgio kanali me to thle-paixnidi...Nai... Kathiste mhn sas erthei Tamplas...WHEEL OF FORTUNE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Malista o en logw abantadoros to epaize kai Mastorakis, "Ti protimate ? To dwro h auto to fakello pou molis twra bgazw apo thn tseph mou ?" (Xamos apo to akrwathrio) Kai san na mhn ftanan ola auta, se mia stigmh gurnaei kai leei se mia apo tis bohthous tou (thewgkomenes, I give him that): "No, not that one, hand me the other one please". Dhladh mallon afairethike h bohthos gia ligo kai den katalabe ti zhtage o Makantashs mas me to Body Language tou... Kai sto pneuma tou karagiwzh "Fere kefteeeedes, Bale saaaaltsa", rixnoune kai to "The Young & The Restless" etsi gia na mhn einai mono to Mega-Channel wraio. Loipon paideia...Gia osous gnwrizoun paw aerodromio na parw thn Bera, kai tha epistrepsw... Petros (Northwestern) YG. Re Dhmhtrh Koubatse, o Theo Koubatsos tou PLAYBOY ti sou einai ????
souvaliotis@DONALD.CHE.UDEL.EDU (01/14/90)
Ante, na po kai go ta dika mou. Aformi mou edosan ta teleutaia posting
tou Petropoulou kai tou Rigoutsou. Xekino apo ton deutero:
a)Prota ap'ola den pisteuo pos oi allages to teleutaio examino itan
ragdaies Isidore. Eidika an tis sugrineis me to proteleutaio, as
poume, examino. Isos na min tis eides to kalokairi giati, pao
stoichima, tote etreches sta nisia kai den emeines stin Athina.
b)Akoma kai an ontos ginan antiliptes sto xafniko tora, pali itan
ekei edo kai polu kairo. Kai exigoume: I xenomania itan ekei
apo ta chronia pou thumamai ton eauto mou sto gumnasio. Ta fainomena
tupou Mega Chanell kai den summazeuetai, den einai tipota allo apo
tin apodosi tis "koultouras" tupou "Tachudromou" epi to tileoptikoteron
(p.ch. "In kai out", Iakchos, "exotika nisia Goupa-Goupa"). Ta
protupa tis koinonikis kataxiosis tou Ellina einai tou idiou tupou
osa chronia thumamai ton eauto mou -merikoi ischurizontai kai akoma
pio piso. To mono pou allazei einai to antikeimeno (TV, autokinito,
exochiko, video, video-camera, eisagomena montellakia). Isos mono
auti i tasi na echei diachuthei se eurutera stromata. Oi kompines, o
oxaderfismos, to dimosioupaliliki, to rousfeti einai pragmata pou
den emfanistikan ta teleutaia chronia alla talaiporoun tin chora mas
pantote. Mipos apla, emeis den ta vlepame giati, thes ta eichame
sunithisei, thes den "pixei to mualo" mas otan eimaste ekei.
c)Akoma kai an eginan ola etsi opos ta les, poio to provlima diladi;\
Anamesa mas (stous Ellines tis apo do merias tou Atlantikou) sunantas
pollous pou theoroun opisthodromiko na min echei i Ellada to "Wheel
of Fortune". Kai sto kato kato (sovara tora) peri amerikanikis
koultouras milame kai den thelo na archiso ta gnosta peri tou poios
kai giati tin emporeuetai.
Fantazomai tha mporousa na po kai alla, alla den perisseuei o chronos.
Gia ton k. Petropoulo kai "to gnosto tou uphos" ithela na po ta exis:
Petro, to thema tis tourkikis i mousoulmanikis meionotitas den einai opos
to vlepeis. Polu fovamai oti auta pou akoustikan sti lista peri apagoreuseon
kai periorismon einai alithina. Mallon i episimi elliniki politeia echei
leromeni ti folia tis.(Makari na vgo pseutis).
Akis Souvaliotis
YG Gia tin proti sunantisi, perimeno kai ego ton Metaxa. Gia na vgalo sti
fora ta apluta tou opos kai auta tou "gnostou k. Petropoulou"