82phpu82@CSD4.CSD.UWM.EDU (John Vamvakas) (02/02/90)
Tha ithela na fero se sizitisi ena ipothetiko yegonos to opio, omos,mpori na simvi (sta ori st'agria vouna). As ipothesoume oti i Tourkia meta ta episodia sti Thraki apofasize na isvali ya na prostatepsi to "katapiezomeno" tourkiko plithismo.Fisioloyika i Ellada tha kirite to polemo ke kanonika eprepe na epistratefsi kosmo. I erotisi mou ine i exis ke an thelete ine ena idos "galop": Posi apo mas pou spoudazoume se hores alles apo tin Ellada tha ta paratagame ola sixila(spoudes,ergasies,lefta, doxa,diaskedasis,gomenes,k.l.p.)ke tha epistrefame na katatagoume ethelontika? Ya na to skeftoume ke as ehoume etimes tis apantisis os avrio,i as xekinisi sizitisi.Oute ke ego o idios den to'ho skefti sovara.Leo sinehos:E!Malakies,den prokite na gini tipota. Afta. Yannis.
V999NZWR@UBVMS.BITNET (Vassilios E. Axaris) (02/02/90)
Giavvn, asto kalutera. To 0ema exei ksavasuzntn0ei sto parel0ov kai eixe givei tns Bampirellas (ntav omws autn n Gabriella; :-)). To 0ema kata tnv gvwmn mou dev snkwvei upo0etika sevaria kai upo tis suv0nkes pou zoume dev vomizw va mporesei kaveis (ektos apo evav :-)) va apavtnsei avtikeimevika. Ektos kai eav 0eleis va givei kai pali tns Gabriellas, opote paw paso kai epavw tous adelfia! Filosofwv meta malakias, Basilns (Barf-alo).
kpstamat@RODAN.ACS.SYR.EDU (02/02/90)
Giannh to upo0etiko gegonos ths epistrateushs den einai ka0olou
upo0etiko. An kai polushzhtemena sto duktio auth thn stigmh H Tourkia
exei uperoplia oson afora ton aera (tis istories me ta F16 thn suzhthsame
to kalokairi) h die0nhs sugkuria thn eunoei (dialush tou symfwnou ths
Barsobias, kai akolou0oumenh dialush tou NATO). Akubernhsia sthn Ellada
sunodeuomenh me oikonomikh krish kai kalumenos e0nikos dixasmos.
Ti allh eukairia 0a zhtouse h Tourkia gia na efarmosh ta sxedia pou
emeis oi Ellhnes prospa0oume na mhn ta skeftomaste gia na kanoume
malakies. Kai opws egrapse O Antwnhs oti ginetai sthn 0rakh
einai prosxediasmena. Mhn xexnamai kai oti h Tourkia aporifthke
kai apo thn EOK kai eukairia einai twra na piesh thn Ellada pros
authn thn kateu0unsh. Kai kati allo pou mou ekane foberh
entupwsh pws exei h Tourkia diapaidagwghsh tous neous ths.
Osoi parakalou0hsan thn suzhthsh sto s.c.t. 0a katalaban
kala pws kanenas Tourkos den bghke na pei anoixta oti
ta ar0ro sto TIME htan probokatsia ths Tourkias alla
oloi tous diakwmodhsane emas tous Ellhnes giati fobomaste
eisbolh apo Tourkia.
Oson afora twra thn epistrateush o loxias pezikou
Kwstas Stamatakhs einai diate0hmenos na paei kai na
plhrwsei tis malakies ths hgesias mas.
Kwstasgeogiou@GN.ECN.PURDUE.EDU (Ioannes T Georgiou) (02/02/90)
Mpa egw den stenaxwriemai. kserw oti polloi 0a ta afisoun kai 0a pane e0elontes. Kai pws na eimai sigouros otan se voh0eia twn atifragikwn (enfylios polemos ispanias) etreksan peripou 500 ellhnes ths amerikhs (ola ta koufa me emas symfainoun). Twra 0a eipeite alloi kairoi tote alloi shmera - kai den 0a exete adiko. ARKAS YG1 O memeths pote den 0a diakyndineysei enan gia 120.000 mousoulmanous. Kai touto prwta apo ola kserei pws ena teteio polemo den mporei na ton kerdisei. Paradeigma o polemos iran-irak.
82phpu82@CSD4.CSD.UWM.EDU (John Vamvakas) (02/03/90)
Tha ithela na xanasizitithi yati tote den parakolouthousa ti lista ke den xero ti apegine.
tasos@GRETAG.AEM.UMN.EDU (Tasos Lyrintzis) (02/03/90)
Tha ithela na ypenthiso oti se minima mou prin apo 20 imeres peripou
eixa provlepsei oti an synexisoume tin idia politiki i Tourkia tha
mas parei tin Thraki kai kana dyo nisia se ligotero apo 20 xronia.
Eixa grapsei malista kai to senario: Taraxes kai provokatsies
sti Thraki kai meta epemvasi tis Tourkias gia na "prostatepsei"
tin Tourkiki meionotita. Oligoimeros polemos kai i Thraki xathike!
(para tis prospathies tou loxia Stamataki!)
To erotima pou theto ego einai ti prepei na kanoume emeis gia na
diatirisoume tin Thraki Elliniki?? p. x. vraxyprothesmi kai
makroprothesmi politiki enanti tou tourkikou epektatismou!
Tha protimousa apantiseis xoris voutura kai sokolates (giati
paxainoun vre paidaki mou!) kai xoris polles istorikes anadromes
(ti egine stin Poli to kseroume!)
Oloi katigoroume tin politiki igesia (kai ego tous katigoro vevaia!)
An eimaste emeis sti thesi tous ti tha kaname sta Ellinotourkika??
Tasos apo Minnesota
(Trifilara OLE, OLE-OLE-OLE)vsn@CC.IMPERIAL.AC.UK (V S Narinian) (02/03/90)
Lamvanontas ypopsh oti polloi apo emas den exoume kanei thiteia, den prokeitai na pame sto metopo se periptosi polemou. Omos, isos xreiastei na katatagoume. An anagastoume na katatagoume, tha einai megalh katastrofh gia mas. An afhseis tis spoudes sou gia merika xronia den prokeitai me tipota na tis synexiseis meta. Gi'afto ego pistevo oti kaneis ma kaneis, exontas thn dynatothta na meinei sto panepisthmio tou den tha phgaine na katatagei ston strato (kai an yparxei sthn HELLAS kaneis pou tha to ekane, na mou to pei). Ego eklpissomai me merikous pou lene p.x. "An theloume, mporoume se mia nyxta na ftasoume mexri ta Tirana". Kai eroto: Tha pas na polemhseis an ginei afto???? H apanthsh einai profanos ena megalo OXI. "Tote poios tha polemhsei?" einai h epomenh erothsh kai h opoia menei fysika anapantiti. "Trellos eimai," leei o allos, "na afhso tis spoudes mou kai na pao na polemhhso?" Fysika aftos perimenei tous allous na pane na polemhsoun kai aftos na kathetai kai na sxoliazei ta gegonota. Ti lete ep'aftou? Se mena exei dhmiourgithei h eikona oti ta pragmata den einai poly sovara sthn Komothnh. Parakalo osous exoun poly "freska" nea na ta grapsoun sthn HELLAS. Vartan <vsn@cc.ic.ac.uk>
sourlas@SEAS.UCLA.EDU (Dennis Sourlas) (02/03/90)
Mia kai ekane mia nuksh o Tasos, exei kanenas sas plhrofories gia ton epanapatrismo Pontiwn ths Georgias (nai apo Sobietikh Enwsh). Kati akousa oti erxontai kata xiliades (exoun er0ei gurw stis 50000 teleutaia) kai xanontai kapou sto Menidi. Ti 0a legate na tous egatasthsei to Ellhniko kartos sth 0rakh. Fusika prepei na dhmiourgh0oun oi proupo0eseis kai kai kai .... Alla etsi deigmatolhptika ti sas leei san idea ? Kai fusika 0a sumfwnhsw me ton Taso kai ton upoloipo Pana0hnaiko lao : Sullogos Megalos den Yparxei allos > Trifullara ole kai aste tous gauroxounoumides na koureuontai. Auta, Dionisis / UCLA /
geogiou@GN.ECN.PURDUE.EDU (Ioannes T Georgiou) (02/03/90)
Kai fysika 0a prepei oi Pontioi na egkatasta0oun sthn 0rakh. Isws na mporesoun na afionoiwsoun thn mousoulmanikh meionothta. Ontws drasthrioi, oi Pontioi einaimia ekykairia gia thn ellada na meiwsei sto elaxisto thn epirroh twn eis Mikra Asia katoikountwn ounnwn. H akrith perioxh 0rakh xreiazetai enisxysh. ARKAS
patrinos@RODAN.ACS.SYR.EDU (Anthony J. Patrinos) (02/04/90)
Nomizw oti erwtiseis tou styl poios tha paei na katatagei an ksespasei polemos den ehoun kai poly noima prin arhisei to panigyri - kai auto giati i psuhologia tou atomou allazei rizika otan ftanei o kompos sto hteni. Me alla logia pisteuw oti kapoios pou twra einai enthousiwdis kai fanatika yper tou na katatagei mporei telika na lakisei kai antistrofa. Geia hara Antwnis Patrinos patrinos@suvm.bitnet
PETROPOULOS@NUACC.BITNET (02/05/90)
Food for thought: Einai eirwniko ma to Dia na pethanei estw kai enas se polemo Elladas-Tourkias sta telh tou 20ou aiwna ! Ean omws xreiastei na uperaspistei h akairewthta ths Patridas tote file Vartan den kserw giati prepei sthn eksiswsh na mpei h kaloperash mas. H oikogeneia mou, oi rizes mou briskontai sthn Ellada, kai an pote auta kundinepsoun ti na thn kanw thn kaloperash ? Giati na to skeftw gia na paw na katatagw thn stigmh pou h xwra pou me filoksenh twra den me ekfrazei kai skopos mou einai na gurisw mhpws kai mporesw na kanw kati gia to rhmadi to Elladistan ? Petros (Northwestern)