Nikolaos.Papanikolopoulos@FAS.RI.CMU.EDU (02/10/90)
Antigrafo apo to Kerdos, eidiki ekdosi gia tin ekthesi INDEX C, Ianouarios 1990. Apospasma apo Sunenteuksi tou k. Dimitri Adamopoulou, proedrou tou Sundesmou Ellinikon epixeiriseon Pliroforikis: "Poiotiki kalipsi yparxei simera mono gia: 1 stis 2 theseis ergasies gia programmatistes 1 stis 5 gia mhxanikous ypologiston 1 stis 10 gia Chief Information Officers 1 stis 20 gia pwlites logismikou 1 stis 30 h 40 gia analutes sistimaton 1 stis 50 gia pwlites hardware ". Synexizontas leei oti oi misthoi stin pliroforiki einai 40% megaluteroi apo oti prepei. O k. Manolis Protonotarios kathigitis tou EMP anefere san aitia tis elleipsis eidikeumenou prosopikou ti diarroi pros to eksoteriko twn upsilis stathmis epistimonon (--- Ypogrammisi diki mou: Autoi pou exoun perasei apo to tmima Hlektrologon tou EMP edo tha gelasoun----). Sumfona me ton k. Protonotario, oi 50 protoi tis perisinis xronias tou tmimatos Hlektrologon efugan sto eksoteriko. Erotisi diki mou tora: Poia einai pragmatika i katastasi tis pliroforikis stin Ellada? Nikos Papanikolopoulos Robotics Institute Carnegie Mellon University
V999NZWR@UBVMS.BITNET (Vassilios E. Axaris) (02/10/90)
Apo proswpikns empeirias: O ka0e evas pou ema0e va pataei ta koumpia tou plnktrologiou plasarei eautov ws eidikov (logia ka0ngntou tou aristoteleiou) kai ek dikns mou peiras. Apotelesma autou eivai oti o kosmosexei fobn0ei logw twv adawv kai twv pro- blnmatwv pou autoi exouv dnmiourgnsei. H plnroforikn stnv ellada autn tnv stigmn kumaivetai sto epipedo logistikwv databases apo0nkwv kai diaxeirnsews ksevodoxeiwv. Merikes eksaireseis apo- telouv oi polu liges megales etaireies pou exouv ferei peiv 3 logistnria kai epomevws auksnmeves avavges. O tomeas industrial control kai real time appli- cations eivai mikros ews avuparktos. 0a mou peite, xreiazovtai prwta oi bio- mnxavies... Ta ellnvika software me polu liges eksaireseis eivai aparadekta osov afora to support kai tnv poiotnta. Eukolo kerdos, kai liges evallaktikes luseis gia tous evdiaferomevous. Logw elleipsews atomwv me gvwseis advanced software kai hardware, oi mn epaiovtes katalngouv sto va ksodeuouv lefta kai va mnv kavouv tnv douleia tous. To copywrite violation eivai avnkousto. Dnmo- sies epixeirnseis ka0ws kai pavepistnmia douleuouv me peiratiko software. Exw akousei gia uparksn timokatalogwv twv avtigrammevwv programmatwv. Fusika o vomos peri peiratias software kai copywrite eivai o idios tou 1927 kai dev exei ar0ra peri magvntikwv media epomevws...:-> Osov afora oti auta ta atoma eivai uperamaibomeva kata 40%, auto vomizw isws va exei avtikrusma me to epiperdo gvwsewv pou uparxei. Ektos apo auta, uparxei to 0ema upodomns. Ferei peiv, otav stnv epixeirnsn uparxei eva minicomputer sustnma kai n DEH kobei to reuma se avupopto xrovo katalabaivete ti givetai. Oxi pws oi PC users dev upoferouv, alla allo UPS 0es gia eva pc kai allo gia eva VAX. To kuriotero omws vomizw pws eivai n elleipsn katartnsews tou kosmou, kai n mn apodoxn tns veas texvologias stnv oikovomikn, biomnxavikn, kai paragwgikn (eav upo0esoume oti uparxei) zwn. Treis to ladi treis to ksudi eksi to lado- ksudo tupou avtimetwpisn. To technical support eivai avuparkto. Apo tnv stigmn pou sou ta pnre ta kafe xartia dev 0elei va se kserei. H aln0eia eivai pws epetrapei stov ka0eva va mpaivei s' eva xwro pou apaitei kai orismeves gvwseis. Otav o ka0e evas givetai dealer kai programmatistns n agora givetai komfouzio. Oso gia mis0ous kai eav autoi eivai uperovgoi, n DEC stnv A0nva arxizei me 130K. Oi perissoteres kseves etaireies ap' oso kserw dev asxolouvtai me development alla movo metapwlnsn hardware kai software. Osoi loipov apo mas asxolouvtai me AI, Image processing, DSP, VLSI, DBMS, kai ta resta, prepei va ma0ouv kala logistika otav katebouv katw. Ektos telika ki' av mpoume kai stnv ESA :-) Kai fusika mporei va kavw 157.38629% la0os opote eimai off side :-) Kai kaln sas vuxta Basilns (buffalo) X-Envelope-to: HELLAS@BROWNVM.BITNET X-VMS-To: IN%"HELLAS@BROWNVM.BITNET" Apo proswpikns empeirias: O ka0e evas pou ema0e va pataei ta koumpia tou plnktrologiou plasarei eautov ws eidikov (logia ka0ngntou tou aristoteleiou) kai ek dikns mou peiras. Apotelesma autou eivai oti o kosmosexei fobn0ei logw twv adawv kai twv pro- blnmatwv pou autoi exouv dnmiourgnsei. H plnroforikn stnv ellada autn tnv stigmn kumaivetai sto epipedo logistikwv databases apo0nkwv kai diaxeirnsews ksevodoxeiwv. Merikes eksaireseis apo- telouv oi polu liges megales etaireies pou exouv ferei peiv 3 logistnria kai epomevws auksnmeves avavges. O tomeas industrial control kai real time appli- cations eivai mikros ews avuparktos. 0a mou peite, xreiazovtai prwta oi bio- mnxavies... Ta ellnvika software me polu liges eksaireseis eivai aparadekta osov afora to support kai tnv poiotnta. Eukolo kerdos, kai liges evallaktikes luseis gia tous evdiaferomevous. Logw elleipsews atomwv me gvwseis advanced software kai hardware, oi mn epaiovtes katalngouv sto va ksodeuouv lefta kai va mnv kavouv tnv douleia tous. To copywrite violation eivai avnkousto. Dnmo- sies epixeirnseis ka0ws kai pavepistnmia douleuouv me peiratiko software. Exw akousei gia uparksn timokatalogwv twv avtigrammevwv programmatwv. Fusika o vomos peri peiratias software kai copywrite eivai o idios tou 1927 kai dev exei ar0ra peri magvntikwv media epomevws...:-> Osov afora oti auta ta atoma eivai uperamaibomeva kata 40%, auto vomizw isws va exei avtikrusma me to epiperdo gvwsewv pou uparxei. Ektos apo auta, uparxei to 0ema upodomns. Ferei peiv, otav stnv epixeirnsn uparxei eva minicomputer sustnma kai n DEH kobei to reuma se avupopto xrovo katalabaivete ti givetai. Oxi pws oi PC users dev upoferouv, alla allo UPS 0es gia eva pc kai allo gia eva VAX. To kuriotero omws vomizw pws eivai n elleipsn katartnsews tou kosmou, kai n mn apodoxn tns veas texvologias stnv oikovomikn, biomnxavikn, kai paragwgikn (eav upo0esoume oti uparxei) zwn. Treis to ladi treis to ksudi eksi to lado- ksudo tupou avtimetwpisn. To technical support eivai avuparkto. Apo tnv stigmn pou sou ta pnre ta kafe xartia dev 0elei va se kserei. H aln0eia eivai pws epetrapei stov ka0eva va mpaivei s' eva xwro pou apaitei kai orismeves gvwseis. Otav o ka0e evas givetai dealer kai programmatistns n agora givetai komfouzio. Oso gia mis0ous kai eav autoi eivai uperovgoi, n DEC stnv A0nva arxizei me 130K. Oi perissoteres kseves etaireies ap' oso kserw dev asxolouvtai me development alla movo metapwlnsn hardware kai software. Osoi loipov apo mas asxolouvtai me AI, Image processing, DSP, VLSI, DBMS, kai ta resta, prepei va ma0ouv kala logistika otav katebouv katw. Ektos telika ki' Date: Fri, 9 Feb 90 19:32 EST From: "Vassilios E. Axaris" <V999NZWR@UBVMS.BITNET> Subject: Re: Pliroforiki stin Ellada To: HELLAS@BROWNVM.BITNET Message-id: <DF04343D039F60174C@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-to: HELLAS@BROWNVM.BITNET X-VMS-To: IN%"HELLAS@BROWNVM.BITNET" Apo proswpikns empeirias: O ka0e evas pou ema0e va pataei ta koumpia tou plnktrologiou plasarei eautov ws eidikov (logia ka0ngntou tou aristoteleiou) kai ek dikns mou peiras. Apotelesma autou eivai oti o kosmosexei fobn0ei logw twv adawv kai twv pro- blnmatwv pou autoi exouv dnmiourgnsei. H plnroforikn stnv ellada autn tnv stigmn kumaivetai sto epipedo logistikwv databases apo0nkwv kai diaxeirnsews ksevodoxeiwv. Merikes eksaireseis apo- telouv oi polu liges megales etaireies pou exouv ferei peiv 3 logistnria kai epomevws auksnmeves avavges. O tomeas industrial control kai real time appli- cations eivai mikros ews avuparktos. 0a mou peite, xreiazovtai prwta oi bio- mnxavies... Ta ellnvika software me polu liges eksaireseis eivai aparadekta osov afora to support kai tnv poiotnta. Eukolo kerdos, kai liges evallaktikes luseis gia tous evdiaferomevous. Logw elleipsews atomwv me gvwseis advanced software kai hardware, oi mn epaiovtes katalngouv sto va ksodeuouv lefta kai va mnv kavouv tnv douleia tous. To copywrite violation eivai avnkousto. Dnmo- sies epixeirnseis ka0ws kai pavepistnmia douleuouv me peiratiko software. Exw akousei gia uparksn timokatalogwv twv avtigrammevwv programmatwv. Fusika o vomos peri peiratias software kai copywrite eivai o idios tou 1927 kai dev exei ar0ra peri magvntikwv media epomevws...:-> Osov afora oti auta ta atoma eivai uperamaibomeva kata 40%, auto vomizw isws va exei avtikrusma me to epiperdo gvwsewv pou uparxei. Ektos apo auta, uparxei to 0ema upodomns. Ferei peiv, otav stnv epixeirnsn uparxei eva minicomputer sustnma kai n DEH kobei to reuma se avupopto xrovo katalabaivete ti givetai. Oxi pws oi PC users dev upoferouv, alla allo UPS 0es gia eva pc kai allo gia eva VAX. To kuriotero omws vomizw pws eivai n elleipsn katartnsews tou kosmou, kai n mn apodoxn tns veas texvologias stnv oikovomikn, biomnxavikn, kai paragwgikn (eav upo0esoume oti uparxei) zwn. Treis to ladi treis to ksudi eksi to lado- ksudo tupou avtimetwpisn. To technical support eivai avuparkto. Apo tnv stigmn pou sou ta pnre ta kafe xartia dev 0elei va se kserei. H aln0eia eivai pws epetrapei stov ka0eva va mpaivei s' eva xwro pou apaitei kai orismeves gvwseis. Otav o ka0e evas givetai dealer kai programmatistns n agora givetai komfouzio. Oso gia mis0ous kai eav autoi eivai uperovgoi, n DEC stnv A0nva arxizei me 130K. Oi perissoteres kseves etaireies ap' oso kserw dev asxolouvtai me development alla movo metapwlnsn hardware kai software. Osoi loipov apo mas asxolouvtai me AI, Image processing, DSP, VLSI, DBMS, kai ta resta, prepei va ma0ouv kala logistika otav katebouv katw. Ektos telika ki' av mpoume kai stnv ESA :-) Kai fusika mporei va kavw 157.38629% la0os opote eimai off side :-) Kai kaln sas vuxta Basilns (buffalo)