jcostas@IHLPB.ATT.COM (02/10/90)
Papa-Petro, sorry alla 0a skasw ama dev to pw: > Twra to an o politismos ksekinhse apo tnv Afrikn nomizw > oti einai eukolo na elex0ei: As riksoume mia matia sthn > shmerivh tns katastasn...Den nomizw na diaferei kai para > polu apo thn katastasn pou epikratouse prin 3.000 xronia. Avtikatestnse tn leksn Afrikn me tn leksn Ellada, kai bale ta logia sou sto stoma kapoiou Afrikavou kai 0a deis oti isxuouv episns. Nomizw oti eidika n Ellada dev mporei va xrnsimopoiei auto to epixeirnma. > E0vika Upernfavos > Petros (Northwestern) E0vika Adiaforos Costas Tsioras - AT&T Bell Labs P.S. Kaveis dev dialekse ti e0vikotnta 0a gevvn0ei, swsta ? Dev 0umamai kavevav va me rwtnse av n0ela va gevvn0w Ellnvas, Tourkos, Afrikavos, klp. I didn't have much choice. Opote apo filosofikns apopsns 0ewrw e0vikismous, eksarseis e0vikns upernfaveias klp evtelws paralogous.
ST401843@BROWNVM.BITNET (thanasis kehagias) (02/10/90)
paidia mia pou hrqe h koubenta sthn afrikh ton politismo ktl, uparxei ena polu endiaferon biblio legomeno "Black Athena", grammeno apo ton M. Bernal, pou suzhta thn epirroh asiatikwn (foinikikwn) kai afrikanikwn (aiguptiakwn) stoixeiwn ston arxaio ellhniko politisimo. proswpika den sumfwnw me ta epixeirhmata tou kai den peiqomai, alla pantws h apoyh tou einai oti o ellhnikos politismos (a) sthrixthke se megalo baqmo ston aiguptiako kai (b) ephreasthke apo foinikikes egkatastaseis sthn ellhnikh endoxwra. ta epixeirhmata, canalew, den mou fainontai polu peistika, alla pisteuw oti o tupos exei mia toulaxisto swsth qesh: an koitacoume kai tis arxaies ellhnikes phges alla kai arxaiologika stoixeia blepoume piqana shmeia epafhs me tous aiguptious. auta, leei o Bernal htan dekta mexri kai ton dekatogdoo aiwna pou oi eurwpaioi qewrousan tous aiguptious prodromous tou eurwpaikou politismou (blepe kai Masonous, ton magemeno aulo tou Mozartt, thn puramida me to mati sto xartonomisma tou enos dollarioou ktl.). alla ston dektaoenato aiwna me thn entatikopoihsh ths apoikiookratias kai tou Areio-kentrikou ratsismou, xreiazootan kai ena ideologiko montelo pou na upobaqmizei to rolo ths afrikhs kai asias (me ecairesh ths Indias) sthn anaptuch tou eurwpaikou (ellhnikou) politismou. gi' auto kai anaptuxqhke h apoyh twn apo borra eisbolwn twn dwriewn kai allwn indoeurwpaikwn fulwn kai ths ellhnikhs anagennhshs meta tous skoteinous 11o,10o kai 9o aiwna.
vlo@XYDECO.SIEMENS.COM (John Vlontzos) (02/10/90)
Re paidia, to thema ths katagwghs tou ellhnikou politismou exei apokleistika arxaiologiko endiaferon. Profanws oi ellhnes ephreasthkan apo diaforous allous politismous ths perioxhs (vlepe Artemis/Astarth/Ishtar kai alla paromoia). To an oi ellhnikes fules katevhkan apo vorra h oxi den exei shmasia (ektos an yaxnoume na vroume "aries" katavoles). To shmantiko den htan apo pou phran oi ellhnes ta prwta stoixeia tou politismou tous alla TI EKANAN M'AUTA. Paradeigma to puthagoreio thewrhma pou san sxesh gewmetrikh eixe vrethei apo olous tous laous pou eixan kapoio politismo (babylwnioi, aiguptioi, kinezoi kai de summazeuetai). Gia olous autous htan aplws mia sxesh (formula) alla oi ellhnes to apedeixan kai to evalan mesa se mia genikwterh thewria. Akomh loipon ki'an oi ellhnes den anakaluyan tipote kainourio, to gegonos oti xrhsimopoihsan th logikh gia na ta enswmatwsoun se nees thewries einai polu shmantiko (ki'auto pou diaxwrizei ton "dutiko" politismo apo allous). M'ola auta thelw na pw pws to na uposthrizei kaneis pws uphrxe MIA phgh tou politismou einai lathos. Oloi prosthesan kati, alloi mikro, alloi megalo. Sunepws to parapanw thema den einai dunato na apotelei eukairia gia "patriwtikes korwnes" (gia na mh parexhghthw, den kathgorw kanenan, aplws lew thn apoyh mou). Giannhs V Siemens
PETROPOULOS@NUACC.BITNET (02/12/90)
Bre Tsiora, to erwthma htan ean o politismos ksekinhse apo thn Afrikh...Twra ti thn mplekeis thn rhmada thn Ellada ? Einai emfanes oti eisai "practicing xeiroglukanisths" alla mhn prospatheis na mas prosulhtiseis... Petros (Northwestern)