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E3T@PSUVM.BITNET (01/17/90)

Sto teleutaio mou posting stin lista eixa grapsei:


>
> Enas filos mou pou twra einai 32 xronwn pou douleuei stin NASA, enw
> asxoliwtan me tous stratologikous nomous gia paratasi tis anavolis tou,
> emathe oti o palios nomos pou epetrepe se "diakekrimenous epistimones"
> na pernoun extra theitia ( +3 xronia) PALI EINAI SE ISXU!!!....
                   ^^^^^^^
> Auto leei tou to eipan apo to stratologiko tou grafeio apo tin patrida!
> Etsi twra tha prospathisei na ton xrisimopoiisei ton nomo auto!.......
> Mipws kaneis kserei tipote perissotero giato to thema?
>
>
>   -- Vangelis Triantaphyllou
>      Penn State University
>      e-mail: E3T@PSUVM.BITNET
>

 Kai enas filos paratirise:

++ mnpws mporeis va dwseis perissoteres leptomereies giautnv tnv extra
++ 0nteia;  Giati etsi opws to egrapses dev to katalaba.

   Ennousa ANAVOLH anti gia "theitia" pou egrapsa sto arxhiko note!
   Pisteuw na mi mperdeutikan kai alloi mia kai to noima tou
   upoloipou note symplirwne to typografiko lathos, an fysika o
   anagnwstis exei mia stixeiwdi fantasia........................

   -- Vangelis Triantaphyllou

geogiou@GN.ECN.PURDUE.EDU (Ioannes T Georgiou) (02/01/90)

Gia siga K. Soussi kai den eixa kanena skopo na kathgorhsw tous an0rwpous
pou aytoktonoun sto stato. EKEINO POU TINISA HTAN PWS MERIKOI KATAFEYGOUN
STHN AYTOKTONIA ME TO PARAMIKRO. AN EXEIS SWES TAS FRENAS SOU KAI DEN EISAI
MAL0AKOS DEN KATAFEUGEIS STHN AYTOKTONIA EPEIDH KAPOIOS LOXIAS POU TON
EFERAN APO THN PINDO SE APOKALESE MALAKA H MOULARI. Opwsdhpote eksairountai
oi an0rwpoi pou exoun kapoio psyxologiko problhma. Tous sevoumai apolyta
kai kalo 0a htan kai o loxias apo thn Pindo na dixnei katanohsh.

Ante loipon kai mhh akolou0eis thn taktikh ths alepous.

ARKAs

YG1: Petropoule 0a sou apanthsw syntoma twra kaigomai!

geogiou@GN.ECN.PURDUE.EDU (Ioannes T Georgiou) (02/01/90)

Ypostirikse "..o Gewrgiou eksakolou0ei na aradiazei tis idies pararies.."

Gia na doume ti exeis na eipeis

ARKAS

kyriazis@CAEN.ENGIN.UMICH.EDU (Constantine Kyriazis) (02/01/90)

Den echo poliparakolouthisi ti sizitisi sas
gia to thema tou stratou.
Oute exo pai strato.
Tha perigrapso, omos dio suntoma peristatika.
Sunevisan peri to 1981 sto tmima neosillekton tis
Korinthou.
Einai pera gia pera alithina.
Apoteloun marturies tou xadelfou mou.
Peristatiko proto:

Kathos inai mazemenoi oi fantaroi se kapoia aithousa
(den xero akrivos gia poio logo)
o epiloxias leei se kapoio fantaro:
'Re su, ton vlepis to Papaflessa;'  (ipirxe fotografia tou ston toixo)
'Nai', apantaei o fantaros.
'Oraia, xurise ton', apanta o epiloxias  !!!...
'Ma...' prospathi na apantisi o fantaros...
'Re akous ti sou leo... Xurise ton gamo tin P.......', ...apanta o epiloxias

Ta sxolia dika sas...

Peristatiko deutero:
I skini diadramatizetai sto thalamo.
Leptomeries den thimamai. Exallou den exoun kai polli
simasia.
Se kapoia fasi mpaini xafnika, vradi, mesa kapoios anoteros.
Xipnane oi fantaroi, sikonontai souza, kai o anoteros arxizi na
parulaunei.
Se kapoia stigmi stamatai, kai aputhinomenos se kapoio
fantaro tou lei:
'Gamise to mpogo sou'
'Ma, mou...'
kai ta loipa kai ta loipa.

I sinexia diki sas...
Den xero an gelasate i an klapsate...
Ego den sxoliazo.
Auta.

                                 Konstantinos Kyriazis

D1D@PSUECL.BITNET (Dimitris Daskopoulos) (02/01/90)

Ma antrwpe mou,
                gia ayton akrivws to logo sou rixthkan oloi, giati
yposthrizeis oti: autoxeiras(estw kata stigmiaia parormhsh)=malthakos h
"ligaki" psyxologika anisorropos. Kai twra mh mou peis oti pali den
diavazw kala ta grammata sou kai ot olo kai kapoio krymmeno nohma
paramoneuei sth gwnia kai tha se dikaiwsei. Na exoume kai ligo
autokritikh kai ligo sevasmo gia tis gnwmes kai tis boules twn allwn.
                                        Dimitris pros Iwannh ARKA.

geogiou@GN.ECN.PURDUE.EDU (Ioannes T Georgiou) (02/02/90)

Oxi an0rwpe mou,

ypostirizw pws o ma0akos, pou eleipetai swmatikhs kai psyxikhs antoxhs kai
den exei psyxologika provlhmata, mporei se mia "dyskolh" stigmh kata thn
diarkeia ths 0hteias tou na ginei aytoxeiras. kai einai teleiws hli0io
na 0esei kapoios terma sthn zwh tou logw ayhhs ths "dyskolhs" stigmhs.
Ena atomo me mesaia fysiologikh swmatikh kai psyxikh antoxh mporei eykola
na vrei tropo na antimetwpisei tis niles tou loxia apo thn pindo.

Gia na valoume ta pragmata sthn 0esh tous, o mal0akos<=>boutyrompempes
einai to atomo to opoio den exei psyxologika provlhmata alla logw thhs
mal0akothtas tou se swma kai pneyma den mporei na antista0ei se syskoles
stigmes.

Gia na valoume ta pragmata sthn 0esh tous, oudepote ypestiriksa oti
ka0e atoma me psyxologika provlhmata einai mal0akos. Ypostirizw omws
oti polloi mal0akoi profasizontai psyxologika provlhmata gia thn
vgaloun loufa.

ARKAS

marinos%intent1@GMDZI.UUCP (Louis Marinos) (02/12/90)

(Chrisimopio fonitiki grafi-ochi orthografia)

Fili gia sas,

Epidi to thema tou stratou me afora tha ithela na po ta exis schetika
me tin protasi gia to neo nomoschedio:

1. Na epanaferthi i dinatotita anavolis mechri 32 logo ipotrofias.

2. Opos ine i periptosi sta perissotera Evropaika krati, na min
traviete kanis ston strato an gia logous spoudon perasi to 32-34 etos
tis ilikias tou. Afto echi na kani me tin epagelmatiki stadiodromia:
kanenas pou doulevi sto exoteriko (echi monimi thesi) den bori na
lipsi apo tin doulia tou 15-18 mines.

3. Dinatotita thitias se anotera ke anotata ekpedeftika idrimata, i
analoges hi-tech ipiresies tou stratou, me axiokratiki axiologisi tou
ekastote scientific potential.

Efcharisto,

Louis Marinos,

GMD, Bonn,
Germany.

souvaliotis@DONALD.CHE.UDEL.EDU (02/16/90)

 Polu kouventa gia strato teleutaia, as po kai ego ti gnomi mou:

 a) O Stratos mias dimokratikis choras prepei na apoteleitai apo polites
 tis choras kai ochi apo misthoforous. Ara, ta peri "misthoforon" i
 "ethnikofronon" einai epikinduna akomi kai an legontai sta asteia.

 b) O stratos mias dimokratikis choras pou den echei epektatikes vlepseis

 sevetai tis diethneis sunthikes kai anagnorizei ta dikaiomata ton geitonon
 echei, ex orismou, mono amuntika kathikonta. Omos, o stratos pou tha
 analavei tin uperaspisi tis choras den einai oi enstoloi polites alla
 to sunolo ton politon. Ara, osoi upiretoun, upiretoun gia logous
 askisis sta opla kai tautochrona, gia na dimiourgisoun amuntiko teixos
 eos otou oloklirothoun oi diadikasies epistrateusis sta metopisthen
 (an parastei anagi).

 c) Me vasi ta parapano (kai me tin proupothesi uparxis amuntikon
 schedion) o arithmos ton enstolon politon mporei na diatirithei
 sto apolutos anagaio minimum, kai ara, i thiteia na meiothei sto
 minimum. Tha itan endiaferon na mathaine kaneis poio einai auto,
 etsi, gia na xeroume an ontos upiretoume tin patrida i an
 aunanizomaste.

 d) To provlima ton anavolon gia spoudes echei duo opseis: Tin
 uparxi auton pou idi echoun to provlima kai autous pou THA echoun
 to provlima. Os pros tin deuteri katigoria, to zitoumeno einai
 i provlepsi kai ta osa graftikan peri upochreotikis thiteias
 meta to telos tou Lukeiou, isos na einai kali lusi (den tin
 aspazomai pliros gia logous pou echoun na kanoun metis domes
 ston elliniko strato).

 e) Gia tin proti katigoria (emas diladi, pou, vevaia, empiptoume
 se diafores upokatigories) to provlima chreiazetai therapeia.
 Nomizo pos, toulachiston gia merikes apo autes, einai dikaiologimeni
 i eidiki ruthmisi pou tha lamvanei upopsi: ilikia, pithani prosfora
 stin chora mas, anthropistikous logous kai loipa kai loipa.

 f) Gia osous apantisoun me ta peri isotitas, prolavaino na po ta
 exis: O ellinikos stratos einai i apotheosi tis anisotitas. Einai
 gnostes se olous istories me mesa kai "vusmata". Einai gnostes
 se olous oi istories gia tis metatheseis. Einai gnostes se olous oi
 kompines me tis adeies. Kai gia na teleiono, to elliniko kratos
 anagnorizei se orismenes katigories euergetimata oson afora to
 strato: Prostates (alitheia, giati den theoreitai prostatis
 o pateras enos i duo paidion), poluteknoi, athlites, profanos
 epikaloumeno logous koinonikis prosforas stin patrida. Giati ochi
 kai stous epistimones tou exoterikou i esoterikou i opos allios
 to peite. (Sim. :Prosopika den anagnorizo logous koinonikis prosforas
 stin patrida kai alles tetoies varugdoupes papares. Ego tha to elega
 apla "koinoniko provlima")


 Akis Souvaliotis