[bit.listserv.hellas] stratos kai pali.

nadon@CAEN.ENGIN.UMICH.EDU (nikolaos adoniadis) (02/17/90)

 Poly yliko epese kai den exw xrono na
kritikarw ola osa 0a i0ela, alla as pw
ksana dyo logia.
 1) Ti na kanoume, re paidia, me esas pou idi ergazeste
kapou eksw? An den kanw la0os, osoi einai monimoi katoikoi
ekswterikou ( kai aytoi pou ergazontai einai ), mporoun na
pigainoun stin Ellada, gia periorismeno xroniko diastima.
E, to eipa ksana, an sas aresei toso poly i Ellada, pou
na min mporeite na zisete eksw, nomizw oti mporeit e na
kanete kai ti 0ysia na ypiretisete. Giati diladi na min
exei to idio pronomio kai o neos pou apetyxe stis eisagwgikes,
o opoios ypoxrewnetai na paei fantaros? 0a sou pei o agrotis
" egw prepei na kalliergisw ta xwrafia tou patera mou kai an
den ginei auto twra, 0a katastrafw oikonomika". 0a tou dwsei
kaneis anaboli?
 2) Symfwnw basika me ton Aki sto 0ema twn mis0oforwn. O stratos
mias xwras dimokratikis, xwris epektatikes blepseis, einai
amyntikos kai 0a prepei na epandrwnetai apo tous polites tis.
Den eida kai pollous apo autous pou ypostirizoun tin anagkaiotita
tis 0iteias na amfisbitoun to rolo tou stratou mas san agrypnou
frourou tis NA pterygas tou "eleu0erou dytikou politismou"
apo tis epiboules twn anarxo-kommounisto-komitatzidwn tou borra....
 3)Egrapse kapoios filos gai tis katigories pou diakrinei stis peri
stratou apopseis. Kai eipe na tou pei kaneis an blepei alles.
Nai, egw blepw. Einai aytoi pou blepoun to strato san ypoxrewsi
pou aporreei apo tin idiotita tou Ellina politi, syni0ws tin timoun
kai dinoun ti maxi kai mesa sto strato gia na beltiw0oun oi syn0ikes
zwis, o prosanatolismos tou kai gia na ginoun sebasta ta pio
stoixeiwdi dikaiwmata tou. E, s'autous nomizw 0a eprepe kaneis
na perilabei tous kommounistes kai genikwtera tous aristerous
(alla kai osous sebontai ton eauto tous kai tin proswpikotita tous,
aneksartita apo politiki topo0etisi). Nomizw oti aytoi pou trwne tis
fylakes gia efimerides, arnisi se kapsonia, arnisi gia emfyliopolemika
tragoudia kai kyrigmata mallon den einai albanofagoi, tourkofagoi
i e0nikofrones, oute lene    "Den pane na g.....ne ola". Gia na leme
ta pragmata me to onoma tous diladi...

                                              Nikos Antwniadis

DALEVRAS@NYBVX1.BITNET (Dimitris Alevras) (02/17/90)

Gia katse re Niko(Antwniadh)
Dhladh an katalaba kala, apo th stigmh pou uphreteis
sto strato ws mis0oforos xaneis thn idiothta tou
polith ths xwras?(auto paei kai gia ton Akh). Poios
eipe oti 0a koubalhsoume Roumanous 'h Zimpampouanous?

Oso gia tis kathgories: an ksanadiabaseis ti egrapses, 0a
deis oti diakrineis metaksu allwn:
1) kommounistes
2) genika aristerous
3) osous sebontai ton eauto tous
Dhladh 1 kai 2 den anhkoun sto 3?

Kai mia parathrhsh gia thn idea ths 0hteias amesws meta to
Lukeio(de 0umamai poios thn proteine).
 Eite oi eisagwgikes einai prin, eite meta to strato
dhmiourgeitai mia anisothta se baros twn andrwn, apo th stigmh
pou oi gunaikes 0a  exoun mia sunexh foithsh. Kai opws kai
na to kanoume den einai to idio.... Akoma ki enas xronos
diakophs metraei.

Dimitris
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nadon@CAEN.ENGIN.UMICH.EDU (nikolaos adoniadis) (02/17/90)

 File Dimitri, elikrina den perimena apo sena ayti
tin paratirisi, sxetika me to an oi 1) kai 2) anikoun sto
3). Apo kapoious allous tin perimena... Den to skeftika ti
stigmi pou to egrafa( prosekse oti i seira teleiwnei ekei
pou lew "opoisdipote sebetai ton eayto tou") kai
meta lew "as prolabw kai kanena kalo0eliti pou 0a to
petaksei amesws" ( dytika tou Michigan pige to myalo mou...)
kai grafw "aneksartita apo topo0etisi" stin epomeni seira.
Nomizw oti ayto ta kseka0arizei. En pasi periptwsei,
sxetika me tin ousia: oi mis0oforoi einai ki autoi polites
alla ena kratos pou den exei epi0etikes blepseis oute
ntailikia styl Panama kai Grenadas den 0a eprepe na prosfygei
se epaggelmaties fantarous, alla 0a eprepe na zitaei tin
prosfora twn idiwn an0rwpwn pou to apoteloun. Stin Ameriki p.x.,
oso kai an i e0nikistiki malakia exei xtipisei katakefala
arketa ekatommyria, 0a itan arketa dyskolo na breis an0rwpous
pou na pigainoun xwris ti 0elisi tous na skotwnoun amaxous
sti Grenada, i na kanoun ton tsampouka stin Ellada. Kai ena
teleytaio, pou fainetai na parablepoun arketoi. Den mporeis
na eksasfaliseis, se kammia periptwsi, to oti o mis0oforikos
stratos den 0a aksiopoii0ei san meso katastolis, to opoio
polu eukola 0a elegxetai apo tous arxigous tou kai den 0a distazei
mprosta se tipota. Kai doksa tw 0ew, i Ellada exei pikri peira
apo tous ka0e logis stratokrates...

                                        Nikos