ktena@HENRY.ECE.CMU.EDU (Aphrodite Ktena) (02/21/90)
Pithanon kapoioi apo sas na nomizete pws auto to thema de me afora kai sigoura de me afora amesa to thema ths strateusimhs hlikias h to thema ths diarkeias ths thiteias. Par'ol'auta, to keimeno tou Papanastasiou m'evale se skepseis oxi sxetika me tis protaseis autes kath'autes alla to olo pneuma twn protasewn kai ths epixeirhmatologias pou tis sunodeue. Oson afora thn protash gia thiteia amesws meta to lukeio gia olou kai to epixeirhma oti etsi tha ekseleipe kai to kathara ellhniko fainomeno, "epaggelma `upopshfios foithths'" exw na pw ta ekshs: - Kat'arxhn, einai lathos na vgainoun sumperasmata toso genika apo uparkta, alla memonwmena, peristatika. Arnoumai na dextw oti h pleiopshfia twn apofoitwn lukeiou pou apetuxan stis eksetaseis eksakolouthoun na dinoun eksetaseis apla kai mono gia na paroun anabolh h giati tous aresei na to paizoun "upopshfioi". Vlepete, den exoun oloi thn euxereia na fugoun gia to ekswteriko otan den perasoun (auto to anaferw ws gegonos kai me kamia kritikh diathesh apenanti s'autous pou to epraksan - de ftain oute oi men oute oi de gia to xali ths paideias). - Etuxe na zhsw duo xronia se Ellhniko Panepisthmio (Fusiko Athinas) kai etuxe na doulepsw kai me arketa paidia pou edinan eisagwgikes. To mono sumperasma pou evgala apo auth mou thn empeiria htan oti toso autoi pou den eixan perasei akoma oso kai egw pou eixa hdh perasei se kapoia sxolh eixame to idio agxos gia to "ti tha ginei avrio?". To agxos tou na ksekinhseis th zwh sou apo kaluterh thesi. To provlhma ths ekpaideushs sthn Ellada kai h elleipsh dieksodwn kai epilogwn gia tous neous me h xwris ptuxio einai ena megalo thema tou opoiou to thema "stratos" einai mia mikrh uposhmeiwsh. De tha'prepe loipon na legontai me megalh anesh fraseis opws "Oloi episthmones tha ginoume?", idiaitera malista apo nun h mellontikous episthmones. Oso, twra, gia to an kai poso boreis na diavaseis sto strato gia na dwseis eksetaseis as milhsoun osoi etuxe na to zhsoun. De lew oti einai adunaton. Lew oti einai xontro palouki. Vevaia, an o stoxos tou stratevmatos, ths ekpaideushs, kai ths koinwnias genikotera einai na kataskevazei sklhrotraxhla teratakia pou de masane me tipota, pou epizoun kai APODIDOUN katw apo opoiesdhpotes sunthikes, tote ti na pw... Apla parapempw se orismena polu glafura keimena pou eixan grafei prin merikes vdomades gia tis sunthikes diaviwshs sto strato. Grafthke akoma oti "se authn thn protash (...) tha antidrousan ta diafora kommatoskula, oi 'swthres psuxwn' pou paralamvanoun tous neous foithtes kai tous allazoun ta fwta sthn kathodhghsh". Egw, sumfwna me ta osa egrapsa parapanw, nomizw oti s'authn thn protash tha antidrousan oloi osoi pisteuoun oti o proorismos tou anthrwpou einai na ginei Anthrwpos kai oxi YPanthrwpos. De thelw na epixeirhsw na eksiswsw tis parapanw duo protaseis.... Re paidia, exw varethei n'akouw oti oi Ellhnes foithtes den patane sto Panepisthmio kai gia ta frikia pou den exoun ti na kanoun kai spane vitrines. To an oi foithtes patane h den patane sta mathimata einai diko tous provlhma. Den anaferomai stis periptwseis isoviwn foithtwn alla mh mou peite pws oloi oi foithtes sthn Ellada einai etsi, mh mou peite pws eseis oloi eisastan upodeigmatikoi foithtes. Pws na to kanoume... Alloi diavazoun perissotero ki alloi ligotero. Xwris auto na shmainei pws h gnwsh tous einai perissoterh h ligoterh. Ws gnwsto h sxesh gnwshs kai diavasmatos den einai grammikh kai epipleon den einai posotikh alla poiotikh. Me thn idia logikh oi foithtes st'amerikanika panepisthmia pou einai spasmata (giati perasa kai apo undergraduate edw) tha'prepe na einai fwsthres.... Oso gia ta frikia... Den nomizw oti uparxei pleon anthrwpos pou na pisteuei sta sovara pws to fainomeno "frikia" exei na kanei me thn egklwvismenh, pou enagwniws psaxnei gia dieksodo, energeia kapoiwn atomwn. Auth einai mia toulaxiston asteia apopsh pou an kai fainomenika anwdunh odhgei se sullogismous tou tupou: - ef'oson ta "paidia" ta spane apo magkia prepei na tous spasoume th magkia. Pou spane magkies? Sto strato. Ara, riks' tous olous stis mulopetres (parapempw pali se merika keimena pou grafthkan paliwtera) na tsakisei o tsampoukas , kai malista kalo einai to alesma na ginetai se oso to dunato mikroterh hlikia gia na spaei pio eukola o tsampoukas. Etsi, kai to provlhma tou stratou lunoume kai me to provlhma ths koinwnikhs vias ksemperdevoume...- Epikinduna paixnidia se ponhrous kairous kathodhgoumenous apo arrwsta muala. To provlhma twn sxesewn Tourkias-Elladas den prokeitai na luthei me ligotero h perissotero strato kai de tha eprepe sta epixeirhmata peri stratou na emfanizetai panta o kindunos "eks'anatolwn". Den upotimw to provlhma alla arnoumai na to sundesw me to zhthma "stratos" kat'auton ton tropo. Sxetika me ton pragmatiko rolo tou stratou sthn koinwnia kai thn politikh exoun grapsei kapoia melh ths listas palaiotera kai den exei nohma na ta epanalamvanw. Otan, loipon, kapoios xrhsimopoiei thn pipila ths Tourkias san fovero epixeirhma uper ths kafrilas tou stratou kinduneuei na parei fora kai na vlepei ton Attila se Rodo, Xio, Samo, Thrakh (ante kai to 2000 ston Parthenwna!!!...). Psuxraimia paidia... H allh loumpa pou epifulassoun tetoioi sullogismoi kai sthn opoia areskontai na peftoun pleista osa melh ths listas einai h eksiswsh: agapw thn Ellada = thelw na uphrethsw Osoi de goustaroun to strato einai anthellhnes kai prodotes. AIDWS ARGEIOI! H Ellada to ligotero pou xreiazetai einai h pisth sthn timh twn oplwn. Exete dei, teleutaia (vl. meta apo to 1922), sto xarth ti ektash katalamvanei? Exei tuxei na proseksete pou mas grafoune oi etairoi mas sta diafora sumfwna, prosumfwna, proikosumfwna, koinothtes, kai sumvoulia pou summetexoume? Sas exei tuxei na niwsete tmhma partidas skakiou? Kai den kserw, vre paidia, alla kapou sthn istorioula me to David kai ton Goliath, kapou de mas exoun pei olh thn alhtheia. (Den ennow oti h Tourkia einai o Goliath... Na ekshgoumaste...). Vasika, h Ellada tha ofelhthei perissotero an papsoume na xwrizoume tous Ellhnes se prodotes kai patriwtes, an papsoume na afhnoume ton kathe balkona na mas pataei se plhges pou entexna mas futepsan apo ta mikra mas kai meta na mas fouskwnei sa mpallonia gia na eimaste pio elafrioi. Kai telika xreiazetai na katalavoume pws h Ellada den einai mia idea (opws o Thrylos gia merikous) pou na xreiazetai fanatikous opadous, ghpedokraxtes gia na paei mprosta. H Ellada eimaste emeis. Edw stamatw giati den exw kamia diathesh na ginw melodramatikh (an kai nomizw pws den to apofuga) kai thelw na tonisw pws oti egrapsa de strefetai enantia ston Papanastasiou oute kai se kanena allon pou pithanon na prosvlithike apo ta grafomena mou. To keimeno tou Panou apla mou edwse to enausma na ekfrasw kapoious provlhmatismous pou exoun susswreuthei apo tote pou diavazw th lista. Omologw oti vghke ligo makry to keimeno... Suggnwmh... Aphrodite Ktena Magnetics Technology Center Carnegie Mellon University
thanos@RAL.RPI.EDU (Thanos Tsolkas) (02/22/90)
Ox re Afroditoula mou ti katebata mas grafeis .... > >- Kat'arxhn, einai lathos na vgainoun sumperasmata toso genika apo >uparkta, alla memonwmena, peristatika. Arnoumai na dextw oti h ... > kai meta > > Etuxe na zhsw duo xronia se Ellhniko Panepisthmio (Fusiko Athinas) >kai etuxe na doulepsw kai me arketa paidia pou edinan eisagwgikes. >To mono sumperasma pou evgala apo .... > Mnpws grafeis movo kai movo gia va paizeis me tov povo mas ? Afou to jeroume n lusn eivai mia Tosa xrovia pngaivave oi avtres sto strato Eivai kairos loipov na pave ( kai ) oi guvaikes. 0avos .