[bit.listserv.hellas] STRATOS KAI LYSEIS

ktena@HENRY.ECE.CMU.EDU (Aphrodite Ktena) (02/21/90)

Pithanon kapoioi apo sas na nomizete pws auto to thema de me
afora kai sigoura de me afora amesa to thema ths strateusimhs
hlikias h to thema ths diarkeias ths thiteias. Par'ol'auta,
to keimeno tou Papanastasiou m'evale se skepseis oxi sxetika me
tis protaseis autes kath'autes alla to olo pneuma twn protasewn
kai ths epixeirhmatologias pou tis sunodeue.

Oson afora thn protash gia thiteia amesws meta to lukeio gia olou
kai to epixeirhma oti etsi tha ekseleipe kai to kathara ellhniko
fainomeno, "epaggelma `upopshfios foithths'" exw na pw ta
ekshs:
- Kat'arxhn, einai lathos na vgainoun sumperasmata toso genika apo
uparkta, alla memonwmena, peristatika. Arnoumai na dextw oti h
pleiopshfia twn apofoitwn lukeiou pou apetuxan stis eksetaseis
eksakolouthoun na dinoun eksetaseis apla kai mono gia na paroun
anabolh h giati tous aresei na to paizoun "upopshfioi". Vlepete,
den exoun oloi thn euxereia na fugoun gia to ekswteriko otan den
perasoun (auto to anaferw ws gegonos kai me kamia kritikh diathesh
apenanti s'autous pou to epraksan - de ftain oute oi men oute oi de
gia to xali ths paideias).                                                    -
 Etuxe na zhsw duo xronia se Ellhniko Panepisthmio (Fusiko Athinas)
kai etuxe na doulepsw kai me arketa paidia pou edinan eisagwgikes.
To mono sumperasma pou evgala apo
auth mou thn empeiria htan oti toso autoi pou den eixan perasei akoma
oso kai egw pou eixa hdh perasei se kapoia sxolh eixame to idio
agxos gia to "ti tha ginei avrio?". To agxos tou na ksekinhseis
th zwh sou apo kaluterh thesi. To provlhma ths ekpaideushs sthn
Ellada kai h elleipsh dieksodwn kai epilogwn gia tous neous me h
xwris ptuxio einai ena megalo thema tou opoiou to thema "stratos"
einai mia mikrh uposhmeiwsh. De tha'prepe loipon na legontai
me megalh anesh fraseis opws "Oloi episthmones tha ginoume?",
idiaitera malista apo nun h mellontikous episthmones.

Oso, twra, gia to an kai poso boreis na diavaseis sto strato
gia na dwseis eksetaseis as milhsoun osoi etuxe na to zhsoun.
De lew oti einai adunaton. Lew oti einai xontro palouki. Vevaia,
an o stoxos tou stratevmatos, ths ekpaideushs, kai ths koinwnias
genikotera einai na kataskevazei sklhrotraxhla teratakia pou de
masane me tipota, pou epizoun kai APODIDOUN katw apo opoiesdhpotes
sunthikes, tote ti na pw... Apla parapempw se orismena polu glafura
keimena pou eixan grafei prin merikes vdomades gia tis sunthikes
diaviwshs sto strato.

Grafthke akoma oti "se authn thn protash (...) tha antidrousan
ta diafora kommatoskula, oi 'swthres psuxwn' pou paralamvanoun
tous neous foithtes kai tous allazoun ta fwta sthn kathodhghsh".
Egw, sumfwna me ta osa egrapsa parapanw, nomizw oti s'authn thn
protash tha antidrousan oloi osoi pisteuoun oti o proorismos
tou anthrwpou einai na ginei Anthrwpos kai oxi YPanthrwpos.
De thelw na epixeirhsw na eksiswsw tis parapanw duo protaseis....

Re paidia, exw varethei n'akouw oti oi Ellhnes foithtes den patane
sto Panepisthmio kai gia ta frikia pou den exoun ti na kanoun kai
spane vitrines. To an oi foithtes patane h den patane sta mathimata
einai diko tous provlhma. Den anaferomai stis periptwseis isoviwn
foithtwn alla mh mou peite pws oloi oi foithtes sthn Ellada einai
etsi, mh mou peite pws eseis oloi eisastan upodeigmatikoi foithtes.
Pws na to kanoume... Alloi diavazoun perissotero ki alloi ligotero.
Xwris auto na shmainei pws h gnwsh tous einai perissoterh h ligoterh.
Ws gnwsto h sxesh gnwshs kai diavasmatos den einai grammikh kai
epipleon den einai posotikh alla poiotikh. Me thn idia logikh
oi foithtes st'amerikanika panepisthmia pou einai spasmata (giati perasa
kai apo undergraduate edw) tha'prepe na einai fwsthres....
Oso gia ta frikia... Den nomizw oti uparxei pleon anthrwpos pou
na pisteuei sta sovara pws to fainomeno "frikia" exei na kanei
me thn egklwvismenh, pou enagwniws psaxnei gia dieksodo, energeia
kapoiwn atomwn. Auth einai mia toulaxiston asteia apopsh pou
an kai fainomenika anwdunh odhgei se sullogismous tou tupou:
- ef'oson ta "paidia" ta spane apo magkia prepei na tous spasoume
th magkia. Pou spane magkies? Sto strato. Ara, riks' tous olous
stis mulopetres (parapempw pali se merika keimena pou grafthkan
paliwtera) na tsakisei o tsampoukas , kai malista kalo einai to
alesma na ginetai se oso to dunato mikroterh hlikia gia na spaei
pio eukola o tsampoukas. Etsi, kai to provlhma tou stratou lunoume
kai me to provlhma ths koinwnikhs vias ksemperdevoume...-


Epikinduna paixnidia se ponhrous kairous kathodhgoumenous apo
arrwsta muala.


To provlhma twn sxesewn Tourkias-Elladas den prokeitai na luthei
me ligotero h perissotero strato kai de tha eprepe sta epixeirhmata
peri stratou na emfanizetai panta o kindunos "eks'anatolwn".
Den upotimw to provlhma alla arnoumai na to sundesw me to zhthma
"stratos" kat'auton ton tropo. Sxetika me ton pragmatiko rolo tou
stratou sthn koinwnia kai thn politikh exoun grapsei kapoia melh
ths listas palaiotera kai den exei nohma na ta epanalamvanw.
Otan, loipon, kapoios xrhsimopoiei thn pipila ths Tourkias san fovero
epixeirhma uper ths kafrilas tou stratou kinduneuei na parei fora kai
na vlepei ton Attila se Rodo, Xio, Samo, Thrakh (ante kai to 2000 ston
Parthenwna!!!...). Psuxraimia paidia... H allh loumpa pou epifulassoun
tetoioi sullogismoi kai sthn opoia areskontai na peftoun pleista osa
melh ths listas einai h eksiswsh:
                   agapw thn Ellada = thelw na uphrethsw
Osoi de goustaroun to strato einai anthellhnes kai prodotes.
AIDWS ARGEIOI!
H Ellada to ligotero pou xreiazetai einai h pisth sthn timh
twn oplwn. Exete dei, teleutaia (vl. meta apo to 1922),
sto xarth ti ektash katalamvanei? Exei tuxei na proseksete pou mas
grafoune oi etairoi mas sta diafora sumfwna, prosumfwna, proikosumfwna,
koinothtes, kai sumvoulia pou summetexoume? Sas exei tuxei na niwsete
tmhma partidas skakiou? Kai den kserw, vre paidia, alla kapou sthn
istorioula me to David kai ton Goliath, kapou de mas exoun pei olh
thn alhtheia. (Den ennow oti h Tourkia einai o Goliath... Na
ekshgoumaste...).
Vasika, h Ellada tha ofelhthei perissotero an papsoume na xwrizoume tous
Ellhnes se prodotes kai patriwtes, an papsoume na afhnoume ton kathe
balkona na mas pataei se plhges pou entexna mas futepsan apo ta
mikra mas kai meta na mas fouskwnei sa mpallonia gia na eimaste pio
elafrioi. Kai telika xreiazetai na katalavoume pws h Ellada den einai
mia idea (opws o Thrylos gia merikous) pou na xreiazetai fanatikous
opadous, ghpedokraxtes gia na paei mprosta.  H Ellada eimaste emeis.

Edw stamatw giati den exw kamia diathesh na ginw melodramatikh (an kai
nomizw pws den to apofuga) kai thelw na tonisw pws oti egrapsa
de strefetai enantia ston Papanastasiou oute kai se kanena
allon pou pithanon na prosvlithike apo ta grafomena mou. To keimeno
tou Panou apla mou edwse to enausma na ekfrasw kapoious provlhmatismous
pou exoun susswreuthei apo tote pou diavazw th lista.
Omologw oti vghke ligo makry to keimeno...
Suggnwmh...

Aphrodite Ktena
Magnetics Technology Center
Carnegie Mellon University

thanos@RAL.RPI.EDU (Thanos Tsolkas) (02/22/90)

Ox re Afroditoula mou ti katebata mas grafeis ....
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>- Kat'arxhn, einai lathos na vgainoun sumperasmata toso genika apo
>uparkta, alla memonwmena, peristatika. Arnoumai na dextw oti h ...
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kai meta

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> Etuxe na zhsw duo xronia se Ellhniko Panepisthmio (Fusiko Athinas)
>kai etuxe na doulepsw kai me arketa paidia pou edinan eisagwgikes.
>To mono sumperasma pou evgala apo ....
>

Mnpws grafeis movo kai movo gia va paizeis me tov povo mas ?
Afou to jeroume n lusn eivai mia
Tosa xrovia pngaivave oi avtres sto strato
Eivai kairos loipov na pave ( kai ) oi guvaikes.

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