TSATSOUL%tisl@UKANVAX.BITNET (03/01/90)
Opws isws akousate prosfata, oi Sandinista mallon arnountai na paradwsoun th dioikhsh tou stratou kai tou ypourgeiou eswterikwn pou apotelei ta headquarters (ypoxrewtikh agglikh leksh) ths mystikhs astynomias. Emena auta mou 0ymizoun ligo Panama (ypoxrewtikh ispanikh leksh), pou o Noriega den dex0hke na ypotax0ei sta apotelesmata twn ekei eklogwn. Senario: Oi Sandinista arnountai na paradwsoun thn eksousia aneu orwn kai apaitoun elegxo tou stratou kai ths astynomias. Episodeia. Nekroi. Gia 1-2 mhnes h amerikanikh kybernhsh diamorfwnei thn edw koinh gnwmh: "...oi dhmokratikes dynameis katapiezontai..", "... h laikh boulhsh den afhnetai eleu0erh ...". Telika, oi HPA eisballoun sth Nikaragoua. Mia kai oi Sandinista den exoun mon 15.000 fantarous san tous Panamezous, h eisbolh krataei toulaxiston 1 xrono. Neo Vietnam (ypoxrewtikh bietnamezikh leksh). ktl ktl ktl Kai mh nomizetai oti to senario einai teleiws api0ano. Den sas ekane entypwsh oti sxedon KANENAS (typos, laos, politikoi) den diamartyrh0hke gia thn eisbolh ston Panama; Opws fainetai, ean kaneis kalh propaganda gia arketo xrono, o laos 0a dex0ei ta panta! Den sas ekane entypwsh oti o amerikanikos typos - pou den mporei na kathgorh0ei oti einai pioni ths Washington - anefere synexeia tous 23 amerikanous nekrous marines san na htan oi mones apoleies; Posoi apo tous en USA foitountes kseroun oti h eisbolh kostise apo 600-2000 nekrous (analoga me to poios metraei); Otan h Washington exei th dynatothta na prattei anekselegxta, giati na mhn eisbalei sthn Nikaragoua, ypo ths zhtwkrayges tou amerikanikou laou; --- Kwstas Tsatsoulhs
kostas@RAL.RPI.EDU (Kostas Kyriakopolous) (03/01/90)
As afhsoume thn Washington kai ta gnesta ths tertipia sthn pagosmia politikh... To 0ema einai auto pou eipa to prwi kai mallon to epibebaiwnei o kwstas o Tsatsoulhs twra: Ti 0a ginei ? O DHMOKRATHS (sic ..... epimenw!) ORTEGA 0a ta dwsei ta kleidia ? As afhsoume kurioi toulaxiston twra, ta sunais0hmata ths efhbiko-foithtikhs mas periodou, kai as apodex0oume thn megaliothta tou Orwell.... kos(kw)tas RPI
nadon@CAEN.ENGIN.UMICH.EDU (nikolaos adoniadis) (03/01/90)
As grapsw kai egw merika pragmata gia ti Nikaragoua, me aformi ta
postings tou Tsatsouli kai kapoiou allou filou, pou den 0ymamai to onoma.
Loipon, katarxin ta apotelesmata twn eklogwn itan sigoura ekpliksi, an
kai mporoun na dikaiologi0oun. 0a tolmousa na pw oti oi Santinistas
syspeirwnan tin megali pleiopsifia tou laou kata ti diarkeia tis epanastasis
kai kratisan ayti ti syspeirwsi gia arketa xronia epeita. Mono pou einai arketo
dyskolo enas laos pou ksesikwnetai gia na diwksei tous tyrannous tou kai , mazi
me ayto
ti ftwxeia tou na polemaei synexeia epi 10 xronia, me mia yperdynami kai tous
praktores tis. Oi Contras kai oi amerikanoi mis0oforoi, para to elaxisto laiko
ereisma pou die0etan sti Nikaragoua, kataferan na f0eiroun tin pisti gia kapoia
kalyteri zwi, boi0oumenoi bebaia kai apo tous ypermaxous tis dimokratias
Reagan kai Bush ( as min ksexname ton aneleito oikonomiko polemo ka0ws kai
energeies ka0ara gkagsterikes, opws tin narko0etisi twn limaniwn tis
Nicaragua, prin merika xronia ). Enas laos loipon pou kourastike na maxetai
mia maxi pou pleon nomizei oti den mporei na kerdisei edwse tin pleiopsifia
se enan synaspismo pou ypostirix0ike anoixta apo tis HPA. Fysika, i katastasi
edw
den einai idia me ton Panama kai ayto fainetai apo to oti oi Amerikanoi
epixeirisan tin eisboli ston Panama molis 2-3 xronia meta tin emfanisi tou
"problimatos" Noriega, enw stin Nicaragua den exoun tolmisei na eisbaloun gia 10
kai pleon xronia. Kai ayto giati kseroun oti poly eykola mporei na exoun ena
neo Vietnam. Pantws, proswpika, den 0ewrw tin ypo0esi tis Nikaragua teleiwmeni.
Ta tromera oikonomika problimata pou eixe dimiourgisei i apoikiaki ekmetalleysi
tis xwras apo ton Somoza kai tis HPA den prokeitai na ly0oun, osi oikonomiki
"boi0eia" kai na dwsoun oi kalopsyxoi kyrioi tis Washington. Mipws 0a allaksoun
oi oroi pou dinetai ayti i "boi0eia", i 0a exei kammia diafora i katey0ynsi
tis anaptyksis tis xwras, afou pali oi Amerikanoi 0a tin elegxoun?
Na pw kai kati gia ta amerikanika mesa enimerwsis kai gia to kata poso dinoun
pliri eikona. Einai entelws aploiki i gnwmi tou Tsatsouli oti ta amerikanika
mesa
enimerwsis den einai pionia. Elegxontai, i oxi, apo terasties oikonomikes
dynameis kai trust, pou, aneksartita apo tis metaksy tous diafores, exoun
ligo-poly koini antimetwpisi sta zitimata ekswterikis politikis? An dei kaneis
to pws antimetwpizoun ola ta media ta sobara gegonota den 0a brei diafores.
Ti eipan ta media gia ton bombardismo tis Libiis? Ti eipan gia ton Panama ?
Ti eipan gia tis "dimokratikes" ekloges tou Salbador? Kai fusika, autos o
laos pou den exei kanena allo meso pliroforisis, pisteyei oti tou serbiroun.
( gia na min paranoi0oun auta pou grafw, sto idio symperasma kataligei kai
o filos Tsatsoulis, ksekinwntas omws apo diaforetiki apopsi gia to rolo
twn media ).
Ayta gia twra, giati makryne arketa.
Nikos AntwniadisLEON%tiger@ENG.ENG.OHIO-STATE.EDU (03/01/90)
>Re seis, n Nikaragoua upnrxe to 1821, `n o Lewvidas ta etsoukse prwiviatika; >Mporei bebaia kai o Ortega va mnv kserei ti leei... >Koita file mou! >Basilns (Buffalo). Gia nremnse, re Basiln, va poume. Oi dnlwseis tou Ortega uparxouv se oles sxedov tis Amerikavikes efnmerides tns Tritnsi oai o Ortega kserei ti leei ki egw dev ta etsouksa prwiviatika. Lewvidas
D1D@PSUECL.BITNET (Dimitris Daskopoulos) (03/01/90)
File Kosta,
den einai zhtokrauges alla xasmourhta, kai malista oxi
tempelias alla adiaforias. Ta tou amerikanikou laou. Kai mou fainotan
periergo poso metraei h zwh tou amerikanou edw sthn Amerikh alla
kai exw. Mporeis na shkwseis 0yella diamartyriwn gia to paramikro
pou mporei na vlapsei kapoion polith ayths ths xwras. Omws,
diylizoume ton konopa kai katapinoume thn kamhlo...
Dimitris.V999NZWR@UBVMS.BITNET (Vassilios E. Axaris) (03/01/90)
Re seis, n Nikaragoua upnrxe to 1821, `n o Lewvidas ta etsoukse prwiviatika; Mporei bebaia kai o Ortega va mnv kserei ti leei... Koita file mou! Basilns (Buffalo).
kostas@RAL.RPI.EDU (Kostas Kyriakopolous) (03/01/90)
To ti skeptontai .h. prattoun oi Amerikanoi, parolon pou einai endiaferon giati exoun- dustuxws- thn ikanothta na ephrreazoun thn zwh allwn lawn, den einai to 0ema pou h0ela na 0iksw, eks arxhs... To 0ema einai, mhpws ta oneira pou pla0ame ws efhboi kai foithtes htan mono oneira? Kai an den ta katakrinoume gia thn epoxh tous, twra ti leme? Kapote peiraze otan dipla stis listes tis Die0nous Amnhstias gia tia 0umata apo tis apantaxou xountes, parousiazontan kai 0umata kapoiwn "dhmokratwn" "laikwn epanastatwn" etc. Tote legame oti eixame sumferonta tou typou , monopwliwn kai ola ta sunafh... Twra bebaia " anakalupsame" kai ton Tsaouseskou, ton Xoneker etc. !!!! Prin orismena htan aples dhmokrates hgetes "laokratikwn dhmokratiown" !!! Auto pou lew egw einai: "Mhpws den einai tyxaio to gegonos oti o Ortega hth0hke apo ENWMENH antipoliteush?" Einai tyxaio oti Somozikoi kai Kommounistes einai sthn idia parataksh? Elpizw oti den 0a labw apanthseis tou styl "ETEROKLHTES" dynameis! Opws kapoioi mas elegan ta idia gia kapoies alles symmaxies se mia allh "Banania" ths notioanatolikhs Eurwphs. Eks arxhs den h0ela na uposthriksw oti h metabash den 0a ginei omala. Auto pou h0ela na suzhthsoume (kai mexri twra to kaname epityxhmena!) einai to plegma to sxesewn sthn teleutaia epanastash tou planhth (an den kanw lathos!) kos(kw)tas RPI