[bitnet.swl-l] Tips for connecting VOX recorder to a receiver

parnass@THINK.COM> (01/11/90)

I think those reporting "hum" problems when the CTR-82 is
powered by the AC wall adapter are experiencing a "ground
loop" condition.  This is not a fault of the recorder itself,
rather a system problem that can happen whenever an AC powered
recorder is connected to an AC powered radio.

It happened with my CTR-75s until I connected them properly.

Perhaps a repost of this older article will help you
interface the CTR-82.  Since the time it was last
posted, the Uniden 760XLT has been upgraded with a TAPE
jack.

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                   TIPS ON CONNECTING THE
                  CTR-75 CASSETTE RECORDER

                    by Bob Parnass, AJ9S

 When available  on  sale,  the  Radio  Shack  CTR-75  voice
 operated  (VOX) cassette tape recorder is a good choice for
 scanner and shortwave listeners.  The CTR-75 has been  sold
 since 1985 and was reviewed in a previous article.1

 Another article described a simple modification to  shorten
 the  4  second  post  recording  delay in order to conserve
 tape.2 Dan Doyle, Tony Sarni, and I applied this  modifica-
 tion to our CTR-75s with excellent results.

 Since those articles, some readers have reported difficulty
 in  connecting the CTR-75 to their scanners, and I hope the
 information presented here will help.

 As mentioned in the initial review, the CTR-75 has 2  input
 jacks:  AUX and MIC.  They are not the same.  The MIC input
 is more sensitive than the AUX input, and  performance  can
 vary depending on which jack you connect to your scanner.

 Some scanners, like the Radio Shack PRO-2004  and  Icom  R-
 7000  have  REC  or  TAPE OUT jacks, which are specifically
 designed for connection to a  tape  recorder.   The  output
 levels  at these jacks are fixed at low levels -- enough to
 drive a recorder but too weak to drive  a  speaker.   Since
 the  levels  are fixed, adjusting the volume control has no
 effect on the "loudness" of the  signal  fed  to  the  tape
 recorder.

 Other  scanners,  like  the  Uniden/Bearcat  760XLT,   lack
 recording  jacks,  so  audio  must be taken from the EXT SP
 (external speaker) jack.  The signal level at this jack  is
 much higher than it would be at a TAPE OUT jack.  It is not
 at a fixed level, and varies with the setting of the volume
 control.

 The CTR-75 won't work if its MIC jack is connected directly
 to the EXT SP jack of a 760XLT scanner.  There are at least
 two ways to connect the 760XLT to the CTR-75:

   1.  Connect the  760XLT  directly  to  the  CTR-75's  AUX
       input,  although the radio's volume control has to be
       slightly increased.

   2.  Connect the 760XLT  through  an  attenuator  ("signal
       reducer")  to  the CTR-75's MIC input.  I used an old
       Radio Shack 51 dB attenuator, model  #274-301,  which
       last  appeared  in the 1983 Radio Shack catalog.  The
       closest Radio Shack substitute is the 40 dB  attenua-
       tor  found  in  the  1989 catalog, #274-300 priced at
       $2.79.

 Connections to various radios are summarized in  the  table
 that follows.  In each case, set the VOX SENSITIVITY switch
 on the CTR-75 to HIGH.

__________________________________________________________________
|                CTR-75 Tape Recorder Connection                 |
|                      for Various Scanners                      |
|Scanner    Scanner Jack   CTR-75 Jack   Remarks                 |
|________|_______________________________________________________|
|PRO-2004|  TAPE OUT       AUX           TAPE OUT jack is located|
|        |                               on rear of radio        |
|R-7000  |  REC            MIC           REC jack is located     |
|        |                               on front of radio       |
|R-71A   |  REC            MIC           REC jack is located     |
|        |                               on front of radio       |
|760XLT  |  EXT SP         AUX           radio volume control may|
|        |                               have to be increased    |
|        |  EXT SP         MIC           attenuator pad must     |
|        |                               be used between radio   |
|        |                               and recorder, e.g.,     |
|        |                               Radio Shack #274-301 or |
|        |                               #274-300                |
|________|_______________________________________________________|

__________

 1. See "The Radio Shack CTR-75 VOX Cassette Recorder," by
    Bob Parnass, AJ9S, in The RCMA Newsletter, April 1988,
    page 46.

 2. See "Technical Topics," in The RCMA Newsletter, July
    1988, page 76.
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levin@BBN.COM> (01/11/90)

In article <12520@cbnewse.ATT.COM> parnass@cbnewse.ATT.COM (Bob Parnass, AJ9S)
 writes:
|
|I think those reporting "hum" problems when the CTR-82 is
|powered by the AC wall adapter are experiencing a "ground
|loop" condition.  This is not a fault of the recorder itself,
|rather a system problem that can happen whenever an AC powered
|recorder is connected to an AC powered radio.
|
|It happened with my CTR-75s until I connected them properly.
|
|Perhaps a repost of this older article will help you
|interface the CTR-82. . . .

I didn't see anything that would say how to correctly eliminate the
ground loop.

Anyhow, I think I'm having a different problem.  I saw the note about
the sale on CTR-82s and went out and got one.  I get power from an old
Archer (R.Shack) universal adapter set to 6 volts.  I connect its AUX
jack (chosen after experimenting) to the earphone jack on my old
Regency scanner (I don't recall the model, it was maybe the first
10-channel programmable they sold, at least 7 years old).  So far, so
good.  But after recording maybe half a cassette (a C-90 if it
matters), the cutout stopped cutting out; or rather the machine would
sort of half-stop, and run at variable speeds 1/4 to 1/2 normal,
operating normally whenever a real signal from the scanner came in.
This behavior seemed to get worse, and also occurred even with a dummy
plug in the mic jack!  I took the machine back to RS the next day and
swapped it for a new one.  The new one shows the same behavior.

The design of the think may be half-assed.  It seems as if the cut-out
mechanism is analog in some sense -- the machine seems to fade off
instead of being switched off.  Before I take this one back, either
for one more exchange or for a refund, I'll make sure my 6 volts is
exactly that, and see if there is anything else obviously wrong.  If
anyone knows what's going on please let me know.

        /JBL

(Bob, I'd love to get hold of the information about reducing the
cutoff time from ~5 seconds to <2, if there's a convenient way for
that to happen.  Thanks)
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postmaster@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (01/12/90)

To overcome a ground loop problem with my Panasonic recorder,
I disconnected the shield at one end of the shielded cable
between the recorder and scanner.
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Bob Parnass, AJ9S - AT&T Bell Laboratories - att!ihuxz!parnass (708)979-5414