Bill.Baughn@f10.n130.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Baughn) (01/04/90)
Index Number: 6025
Ron,
My original message was simply an attempt to make those on this echo
aware of how often programs which claim to be by and for the disabled actually
systematically exclude disabled employees.
I did not suggest any course of action. In fact I did not name the
foundation. I simply think that those who are looking for grants should be
aware of this and use whatever influence they have to change it.
The grant publicity states: Up to $8.4 million will be awarded to
community based organizations RUN BY AND FOR THE DISABLED. This will pay the
salaries for a lot of people but few will be disabled.
If anyone is waiting for me to apologize for criticizing this; Get
comfortable it's going to be a long wait.
Bill Baughn
North Texas Amputee Support Group
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Internet: Bill.Baughn@f10.n130.z1.fidonet.orgPANDORA.NIGH@f532.n157.z1.fidonet.org (PANDORA NIGH) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6036
Hi Bill, sometimes you have to take a farther look around, there are
agencies that have high proportions of disabled staff. At Services for
Independent Living in Euclid Ohio (close by Cleveland) the majority of the
staff is disabled including the director and manager. In fact it is kind of
a reverse discrimination set up there against the abled. It's like they have
a token abled person to apease the hangups of the builders and other
providers of services and politicos.
Pandora
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Internet: PANDORA.NIGH@f532.n157.z1.fidonet.orgRon.Rothenberg@f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Ron Rothenberg) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6055
BB> The grant publicity states: Up to $8.4 million will be
BB> awarded to community based organizations RUN BY AND FOR THE
BB> DISABLED. This will pay the salaries for a lot of people but
BB> few will be disabled.
Hi Bill,
I still agree with you, but there is one other point. There are
certain disabilities that prevent or cause a person not to be a joiner
or doer. I'm thinking of severe mental illness, schizophrenia in
particular. One of the symptoms is an avoidance of groups and joining,
so most self-help groups are run by caring parents, siblings and
friends, because the disabled persons themselves are not able to, due
to their disease.
-rsr-
... Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. - O. Wilde
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Internet: Ron.Rothenberg@f460.n101.z1.fidonet.orgJoe.Chamberlain@f302.n141.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6057
PN> Hi Bill, sometimes you have to take a farther look around,
PN> there are
PN> agencies that have high proportions of disabled staff. At
PN> Services for
PN> Independent Living in Euclid Ohio (close by Cleveland) the
PN> majority of the
PN> staff is disabled including the director and manager. In fact it
PN> is kind of
PN> a reverse discrimination set up there against the abled. It's
PN> like they have
PN> a token abled person to apease the hangups of the builders and
PN> other providers of services and politicos.
Thank you. In your calmness you got the point I was trying to make
across. We have to look out for ourselves and if we let the do-gooder
agencies get all the grants then we get what we deserve. However, by
going out and chasing down, and competing for, every dollar we can get
we can make a difference.
-=joe=-
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Internet: Joe.Chamberlain@f302.n141.z1.fidonet.orgFloria.Antin@f304.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Floria Antin) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6074 > across. We have to look out for ourselves and if we let the do-gooder > agencies get all the grants then we get what we deserve. However, by > going out and chasing down, and competing for, every dollar we can get > we can make a difference. Don't tarnish all 'do-gooder' agencies withthe same brush. There are people with disabilities who are unable to advocate effectively for themselves. I am the parent of a severely retarded young adult who has no verbal skills and very limited communication skills. He and others like him can not advocate for themselves effectively.. It is because there were people to advocate for him that he is living in a group home and attends a day activities program instead of being warehoused in the back ward of an institution. True there are people with mental retardtion who can advocate for themselves and this should be and has been encouraged, however even they in many instances would have difficulty in advocating with government and or orgnizations, foundations etc that had grant money available if they did not have the help of advocates. I would think that there are others with mental disabilities who can not advocate for themselves. People with disabilities are varied and different folks need different strokes. Of course where possible people should advocate for themselves and be in charge of their lives. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!109!304!Floria.Antin Internet: Floria.Antin@f304.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Joe.Chamberlain@f302.n141.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6095 >> across. We have to look out for ourselves and if we let the >> agencies get all the grants then we get what we deserve. However, >> going out and chasing down, and competing for, every dollar we can >> we can make a difference. FA> Don't tarnish all 'do-gooder' agencies withthe same brush. FA> There are people with disabilities who are unable to advocate FA> effectively for themselves. I am the parent of a severely You're perfectly right. There are a number of very good agencies all across this country. The parents, friends, and dedicated individuals who help those of us unable to speak up for ourselves are to be commended. Hang in there and keep fighting. -=joe=- -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!302!Joe.Chamberlain Internet: Joe.Chamberlain@f302.n141.z1.fidonet.org
Bill.Baughn@f10.n130.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Baughn) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6121
PN> Hi Bill, sometimes you have to take a farther look around,
PN> there are agencies that have a high proporation of disabled staff.
PN> At Services for independent living in Euclid, Ohio (close by
PN> Cleveland) the majority of the staff is disabled including the
PN> director and manager. In fact it is kind of a reverse discrimination
PN> set up there against the abled. It's like they have a tiken abled
PN> person to apease the hangups of the builders and other providers of
PN> services and politicos.
Pandora,
A study of 163 independent living programs examined levels of
compliance with key requirements of Title VII, Independent Living
Provisions of the 1978 Rehabilitation Act. Only 51% of programs
receiving funds meet requirements for consumer involvement in
direction, management, and service delivery. There was no
relationship between compliance and receipt of Title VII funds or
amount of Title VII funds received. It was also shown that
complying programs offer significantly more services and serve
significantly more persons than non-complying programs.
This, in no way, detracts from the many exemplary programs
which are run for and by the disabled. It does indicate a trend
that began over ten years ago when federal funding started creating
desirable paid jobs in the independent living movement. This is a
trend that should concern everyone who hope to improve
opportunities for the disabled.
Bill
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