Jeff.Salzberg@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jeff Salzberg) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6040 PG> Relative to your comment about leaving stickers on the cars of PG> people who are large, short-tempered, and nearby, I had an PG> incident once. This message thread has inspired me to get off my duff and do something I've long wanted to do. As of yesterday morning, I am the proud owner of 1,000 5.5" X 8.5" pieces of paper that say: "You are parked in a space that is reserved for handicapped drivers only. I know that you were "only running in for a minute", but you should realize that by parking here you may have seriously inconvenienced a disabled driver and may even have prevented him or her from using this facility. "If it were in my power, I would write you a ticket; as it is, I can only urge you to be more considerate in the future." I printed 'em up on the laser printer at work, had Word Perfect draw a box around 'em, and had 'em printed on blue paper so they (sorta) look like parking tickets. A few have already found a well-deserved place under the windshield wipers of certain deserving vehicles. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!129!89!Jeff.Salzberg Internet: Jeff.Salzberg@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Pat.Goltz@f3.n300.z1.fidonet.org (Pat Goltz) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6108 You said that you made up 1000 papers that read "...", and looked like traffic tickets as a result of my message. Good for you! You are a lot bolder than I am. I wouldn't be caught dead doing that after that guy dumped his ashes all over my hood. He might deck me next time. I just watch people take those parking spaces and seethe. There is one pet peeve I have, though. Many businesses put ALL their shaded spaces into handicapped spaces. It gets very hot in Arizona, and I would like the opportunity vie for SOME of those parking spaces with the handicapped. It doesn't seem fair. Another thing that seems unfair is when they put so many handicapped spaces. One time recently I noticed that all the shaded spots at the local building materials store were handicapped. I wondered just what percentage of their clientele is handicapped! While it is not impossible for a handicapped person to need building materials, most of what they sell is beyond MY capacity to use, physically, and I don't qualify to use one of the spaces! My own view is that if four spaces are ROUTINELY empty, the supply is greater than the demand. Of course, I usually shop when the store is less busy, so who am I to talk? <grin> The point of all this is that I am glad you made those papers. More power to you. Now I just wish they'd make parking spaces for people with very young children, so they don't have to carry them so far, or so the youngsters can get into the store without having to cross the parking lot. Pat -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!300!3!Pat.Goltz Internet: Pat.Goltz@f3.n300.z1.fidonet.org
Curtis.Oglesby@p13.f1.n360.z1.fidonet.org (Curtis Oglesby) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6123 PG> You said that you made up 1000 papers that read "...", and looked PG> like traffic tickets as a result of my message. Good for you! You PG> are a lot bolder than I am. I wouldn't be caught dead doing that PG> after that guy dumped his ashes all over PG> my hood. He might deck me next time. PG> I just watch people take those parking spaces and seethe. PG> There is one pet peeve I have, though. Many businesses put ALL PG> their shaded spaces into handicapped spaces. It gets very hot in PG> Arizona, and I would like the opportunity vie for SOME of those PG> parking spaces with the handicapped. It doesn't seem fair. Another PG> thing that seems unfair is when they put so many handicapped spaces. PG> One time recently I noticed that all the shaded spots at the local PG> building materials store were handicapped. I wondered just what PG> percentage of their clientele is handicapped! While it is not PG> impossible for a handicapped person to need building materials, most PG> of what they sell is beyond MY capacity to use, physically, and I PG> don't qualify to use one of the spaces! My own view is that if four PG> spaces are ROUTINELY empty, the supply is greater than the demand. PG> Of course, I usually shop when the store is less busy, so who am I PG> to talk? <grin> PG> The point of all this is that I am glad you made those papers. PG> More power to you. PG> Now I just wish they'd make parking spaces for people with very PG> young children, so they don't have to carry them so far, or so the PG> youngsters can get into the store PG> without having to cross the parking lot. Pat, At first glance of your message, I was seething and was ready to deck you for your little whimpering plea for fairness. How FAIR is it for someone to have a physical condition which makes them NEED those spaces? Would you like to make a pact with the devil so that we could trade places and you could use my electric wheelchair and those spaces? I'll readily walk through some heat, however slow! I want to walk again, period. As for shaded spots, where else would you locate handicap spaces. If a business were to meet accessibility requirements, wouldn't it follow that the accessible spaces would be next to the building? As for numbers of spaces, they probably have so many handicap spaces so that there'll be enough for the physically handicapped (who need them) and the morally handicapped (who don't need them, but don't care about anyone except themselves!) I know from personal experience that this method for deciding numbers of spaces is needed here. But then I read your post again and realized that I'd probably missed your intent. I'm jumping into a discussion that I haven't been following. I hope that I have misread your intentions and, if so, I'm sorry and as the late Emily Latella would say, "Nevermind!" If you intended your message as I've read it, you should rethink your attitude. But stop whining; it doesn't become you. And don't judge the abilities of others based on your own; people are surprisingly resourceful if the spirit and desire are strong enough! <grin> I feel better now. I hope you don't feel worse. Take care, Curt -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!360!1.13!Curtis.Oglesby Internet: Curtis.Oglesby@p13.f1.n360.z1.fidonet.org
Pat.Goltz@f3.n300.z1.fidonet.org (Pat Goltz) (01/10/90)
Index Number: 6169 I assiduously leave the handicapped spaces empty. But there are times when I find the heat debilitating. I once was sufficiently unable to walk that I could have gotten a permit. I didn't for two reasons. One was that I didn't think I'd need it forever, and I didn't want the temptation of being eligible to use them when I didn't need them, and the other, more important one, was that I wanted to vote for the positive side of things, the attitude that I WAS going to overcome my problem, and so I felt that getting a permit would be looking on the negative side. Of course, I understand what you are getting at. I think the thing people need to realize that there are lots of different kinds of problems, and not all of them make a person technically eligible to use those spaces. I don't object to the spaces being next to the building, but I think that it is appropriate to place SOME of them in such a way that some abled parking will be left in the shade. It sometimes gets as hot as 118 here in the shade, you see. So there is a valid reason for concern here. I'm not trying to object to you getting a little compensation for the great loss you have suffered; I'm just telling you that there are other problems that no one recognizes. Pat -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!300!3!Pat.Goltz Internet: Pat.Goltz@f3.n300.z1.fidonet.org
Neal.Griggs@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Neal Griggs) (01/12/90)
Index Number: 6216 I agree with you about the parking stickers. My wife is blind and has a dog and we BOTH have talked about getting a parking permit but since I am not disabled and she is capable of motivating on her own (and sometimes needs to heheheh), I have decided not to get one at the present. If things change later I may but won't unless things get real bad. BUT....I won't hesitate for one moment to leave a note or reminder on someones car that DOESN'T have one or DOESN'T have a license tag!!! I have a friend that has leg braces and walks with great deficulity and his main gripe is with the ones that either park and run in supposedly for only a minute or those that drop off someone and then sit in their car in a marked space!!! Talk about inconsiderate!!! Okay okay...I'll get off my soap box now....(grin) I just had to comment though. Neal -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!129!89!Neal.Griggs Internet: Neal.Griggs@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org