Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6041
SB> When you infer a missing word from the context, is it
SB> something you just do automatically and effortlessly after a
SB> while or do you have to think about it a little sometimes?
It has to be done in real-time to keep up with the flow, Steve.
I think I'm, if not excellent, pretty damn good at speechreading.
But my effectiveness varies as a function of my level of alertness.
First thing this morning my wife said to me "I want a tossed salad".
Now that is a fairly strange thing for someone to say at 6:30 am,
particularly someone who never eats tossed salad. But that IS what
I heard. What she actually said was "I want to call Sally", which
made a lot more sense under the circumstances. After a cup of
coffee, I think I would have read it correctly the first time.
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Internet: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.orgLaurie.Wilson@f13.n119.z1.fidonet.org (Laurie Wilson) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6058 > Ha, ha! Boy, am I glad to know someone is like ME!!! > It > really does work and so does turning your head. (Gee, > did I > give out our secrets, Laurie?) > > > Ha, ha ! So that makes two of us! Welcome to the club. (grin) Don't worry about giving out our secrets because they are still in a lot of full surprises when it comes to dealing with us women. I wonder if you did the same thing....when I was a child, I'd close my eyes so that I'd not have to listen to my parents' and teachers' scolding. Well, I admit I still do that once awhile when I am really mad. That is one of the reasons why I love being deaf. (grin) Smile, Laurie -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!119!13!Laurie.Wilson Internet: Laurie.Wilson@f13.n119.z1.fidonet.org
Stephen.White@f853.n681.z3.fidonet.org (Stephen White) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6080 > First thing this morning my wife said to me "I want a tossed > salad". > Now that is a fairly strange thing for someone to say at > 6:30 am, Gee! I reckon that I am one of the people that get 90% or 95% with people I know - and I cannot see any similarity between THAT and "I want to call Sally"!!!!! Even in my dreariest moments - like when I'm using the computer and mum wants to talk to me - I never make mistakes that big! I limit my virtousity to really gigantic whoppers! Did you start lipreading later on in life - or are you just one of these people that find it harder than easy and natural? I'm interested in the particular problems you have with lipreading as I may POSSIBLY make some suggestions! Steve! The Child of a Lesser God! -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!3!681!853!Stephen.White Internet: Stephen.White@f853.n681.z3.fidonet.org
Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6087
SW> Gee! I reckon that I am one of the people that get 90% or 95%
SW> with people I know - and I cannot see any similarity between
SW> THAT and "I want to call Sally"!!!!!
Steve, you have to consider the circumstances. I think I am a
fair-to-good speechreader, but speechreading alone won't hack it
for me. I need help from my residual hearing, and I need a clear
view of the preson I'm reading. I also must have my speechreading
processor activated.
In the instance mentioned, I was just waking up, did not have my
glasses on, did not have my hearing aids on, and my speechreading
processor requires a minimum of one cup of coffee to activate it
each morning.
Under those circumstances I think I did pretty damn good to
come as close as I did!
SW> I'm interested in the particular problems you have with
SW> lipreading as I may POSSIBLY make some suggestions!
Mostly my problems are with the high-pitched consonant sounds where
I get *NO* help from residual hearing and must rely entirely on
speechreading and context. I have a daughter who is a speech and
language pathologist, and she has helped me quite a bit. But I
fear I would not be counted on her list of stellar pupils. Any
suggestions from you would be more than welcome.
OBTW. I watched an excellent television show last evening, produced
by Austrailian public TV. It was called "Miracle Down Under" set in
Austrailian Outback at Christmastime in the 1880s. Quite entertaining.
One character was a displaced brit who had a Yule Log imported from
ol' blighty (because, according to him, Austrailian Ash would not
burn properly). Then he drove all out of the house by insisting on
lighting it in 94 degree F. heat. To keep this on topic, I'll add
that I was able to speechread all except the character of the young
boy, whose pitch was entirely out of my range. Wish our public
television produced more works of that quality.
Have a Happy New Decade!
Jack.
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Internet: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.orgStephen.White@f853.n681.z3.fidonet.org (Stephen White) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6122 > view of the preson I'm reading. I also must have my speechreading > processor activated. Speechreading processor activated? Do you regard that as a seperate part of you? When did you start speechreading, and were you born deaf? > I get *NO* help from residual hearing and must rely entirely > on > speechreading and context. I have a daughter who is a > speech and Well, the problem there would seem to be that you rely too much on your residual hearing. Also, I would suggest not trying so hard to get every little bit, coz that could be emphasising the "module activation" feeling that you have. Some suggestions could be:... "nk" word endings, like "think".. you'll notice that the tounge is put to the teeth, then withdrawn, but the jaw and lips dont move.. etc.. When I was learning, as a little boy, I used to dream about this disemboided lips floating around, saying all kinds of garbage. I think those lips helped a great deal, as I was forming the shapes out of my knowledge, and thus was able to fit that knowledge into reconizing them... See how that goes.. Oh by the way, I dont keep on thinking - "that tounge was over there, so that must be an 'e'" etc.. It just comes naturally and doesnt require thought, when you can do it properly. Steve! The Child of a Lesser God! -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!3!681!853!Stephen.White Internet: Stephen.White@f853.n681.z3.fidonet.org
Laurie.Wilson@p0.f5.n119.z1.fidonet.org (Laurie Wilson) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6125 > lips across > the room...uh...er...nosy, aren't *I*? (smiles) > > Oh yes, we all are nosy!! Love to watch people talking and to 'oversee' their conversation. I'll say the same of some hearing people who know sign language. They caught my girlfriend and me talking dirty in signs at a restaurant. Oh boy, we thought we were safe until one good looking man came to our table with a smug look on his face and signed to us "Good evening". We went into a terrible fit of giggling with embarrassment. Oh well, that's life in these days!! Smile, Laurie -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!119!5.0!Laurie.Wilson Internet: Laurie.Wilson@p0.f5.n119.z1.fidonet.org
Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6149
SW> Speechreading processor activated? Do you regard that as a
SW> seperate part of you?
No, Steve, all my processors are fully integrated - but they all
need a jump-start with the morning caffeine fix :-) . They work
much more effectively after that.
SW> Well, the problem there would seem to be that you rely too much
SW> on your residual hearing.
Hey, I gotta use whatever works for me. Every speechreader I know uses
any residual hearing they may have, and it's quite rare to get it all
without a bit of help. Even hearing people speechread - more than
they realize.
SW> Some suggestions could be:... "nk" word endings, like "think"..
SW> you'll notice that the tounge is put to the teeth, then
SW> withdrawn, but the jaw and lips dont move.. etc. . . . .
SW> It just comes naturally and doesnt require thought, when you
SW> can do it properly.
Thanks for the suggestions, Steve. I'll work on it.
... Illegitimus non Carborundum!
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Internet: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.orgJack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe) (01/17/90)
Index Number: 6275
SW> What I was trying to say is that the occasional glimpses of the
SW> tounge and the pauses in which you cant see anything, are just
SW> as important as the lip shapes.
I'm starting to understand that, Steve. But can anyone really
function entirely on speechreading with NO residual hearing?
I am heavily dependent on my low frequency hearing for the
vowel sounds.
Jack.
... Live, from Beaver County, it's . . . .
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Internet: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.orgLaurie.Wilson@p0.f222.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Laurie Wilson) (01/17/90)
Index Number: 6286
Yeah, you can say that again about how hearing people wanting to learn dirty
signs. Ha, ha...you wouldn't believe how my hearing friends beg me to teach
them those signs. Funny how they are more interested in dirty signs than
others!!
Smile, Laurie
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Internet: Laurie.Wilson@p0.f222.n105.z1.fidonet.orgRobert.Mchale@f1045.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Mchale) (01/19/90)
Index Number: 6334
If you knoe anyone who wants to learn to lip read, tell the to watch
TV with the sound turned off. Soap operas and sitcoms are the best
for beginners cause anyone with 2 brain cells knows what they're
gonna say next anyway. I've been diong it for years(with the stereo
on).
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Internet: Robert.Mchale@f1045.n261.z1.fidonet.orgJoe.Chamberlain@f302.n141.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain) (01/19/90)
Index Number: 6338
LW> Yeah, you can say that again about how hearing people wanting to learn
LW> dirty signs. Ha, ha...you wouldn't believe how my hearing friends beg me
LW> to teach them those signs. Funny how they are more interested in dirty
LW> signs than others!!
This is normal for all languages. Almost everyone want to
learn to cuss first. Teach them. Then they will have one piece of
the language and maybe learn more. Most people are not satisfied with
learning to say "fu*k" in spanish. They want to ne able to say it
with meaning. Then they want other words, then sentences.
-=joe=-
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