Schelia.Lahti.@hnews.fidonet.org f8.n10.z1 (Schelia Lahti 911/302) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6101 Derk, concerning your question about how much you can make,when i was on SSI i was told i could only make $75.00 a month and still recieve it,I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD FORGET THE BUSNESS THO, GOOD LUCK, TYPE BACK LATER Schelia Lahti # Origin: 012 The Hawk's Nest - LaQuinta, CA 210 (8:911/302.0) -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!10!8!Schelia.Lahti.@.911/302 Internet: Schelia.Lahti.@.911/302@f8.n10.z1.fidonet.org
Joe.Chamberlain@f302.n141.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6113 D> From: Derk@cup.portal.com (Derk) D> Message-ID: <9234@bunker.UUCP> D> Index Number: 5922 D> I am willing to take a cut in SSI in hopes of increased income D> from the business but how much of a cut will it be? how much can D> I earn before SSI stops? should I forget the business and try to D> be paid under the table? If you demonstrate that you are employable, either by yourself or others, then you no longer will qualify for SSI. I *think* that maybe you have a five month trail period. Your best bet is to call Social Security and asked your questions using a fake name. Then decide what to do. It is unfortunate but many handicapped individuals settle for earning a living by getting paid under the table. -=joe=- -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!302!Joe.Chamberlain Internet: Joe.Chamberlain@f302.n141.z1.fidonet.org
Ron.Rothenberg@f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Ron Rothenberg) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6143 D> want go INC. so we can advertise and get a business phone and D> not worry and hiding from the IRS and phone co. Hi Derk, I know this is not the question you asked, but you may not want to Inc., unless you're making a large amount of money or doing things that have a large amount of liabliity, you may want to be a sole propietorship or partnership. It's worth sitting down with a CPA to figure this out. You don't need to INC. to advertise or get a phone, just file the proper forms with the town or county, depending on where you live. -rsr- ... There is no fate that can not be surmounted by scorn - A. Camus -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!101!460!Ron.Rothenberg Internet: Ron.Rothenberg@f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org
Tom.Baughman@f13.n119.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Baughman) (01/05/90)
Index Number: 6148 > Derk, concerning your question about how much you can make,when > i was > on SSI i was told i could only make $75.00 a month and still > recieve it, Actually, it is much more complicated than that. If you make $75.00, then money that you earn after that is deducted from your entitlement on a $1 for $2 baisis. That is, for evey two dollars that you earn, one dollar is deducted from your SSI check. But there are other things that may affect how Social Security looks at earned income. For instance, if you need a car to become self-sufficient and you work, then it is possible that no earned income will be deducted from your SSI if you are putting it aside for the purchase of a car. If you have to pay for certain services inorder to maintain a job, then it is possible that one half the cost of those services will not be deducted from your SSI check. There are other regulations that affect Medicaid. The system is more flexible than it was in the past, there are less disincentives to work. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!119!13!Tom.Baughman Internet: Tom.Baughman@f13.n119.z1.fidonet.org
Ann.Stalnaker@f14.n385.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker) (01/10/90)
Index Number: 6178 Pardon me for butting in but I believe you could make the maximum which is $300 a month before they would start deducting $1 for every $2 a person earned. That has since been increased to $500 (as of 1 Jan 90). But...then you were discussing SSI and it could be that SSDI works a bit different. I'm not really sure. It's really not a fair system because I feel more disABLED persons would take a part time job if their SSI or SSDI was not affected and besides who could live on $300 a month or even $500 a month? -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!385!14!Ann.Stalnaker Internet: Ann.Stalnaker@f14.n385.z1.fidonet.org
Robert.Norstrand@f8.n10.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Norstrand) (01/12/90)
Index Number: 6220 AS> Pardon me for butting in but I believe you could make the maximum whic AS> is $300 a month before they would start deducting $1 for every $2 a AS> person earned. That has since been increased to $500 (as of 1 Jan AS> 90). But...then you were discussing SSI and it could be that SSDI AS> works a bit different. I'm not really sure. It's really not a fair AS> system because I feel more disABLED persons would take a part time AS> job if their SSI or SSDI was not affected and besides who could live AS> on $300 a month or even $500 a month? AS> --- Ann, I'm a Quadraplegic (sp?) on SSDI (Social Seccurity Disability Insurance) and I know I can't live on the $579 a month I get, thus I am in a nursing home. I tried to find a job through Voc Rehab (worked with the Soc. Sec. office for a bit on a non-paid work experience project) but no dice. Now having problems with pressure sores which make for limited sitting time. When I was at the Soc. Sec. office SSI recipients couldn't work at all withoutlosing ALL benefits. The rules may have changed since then, though. Bob # Origin: The Magic RBBS, Lakeland, FL (813) 688-8151 (1:137/600) (8:925/10) -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!10!8!Robert.Norstrand Internet: Robert.Norstrand@f8.n10.z1.fidonet.org
Jerry.Pickup@p33.f1.n360.z1.fidonet.org (Jerry Pickup) (01/17/90)
Index Number: 6252 In a message to Ann Stalnaker <09 Jan 90 12:06:00> Robert Norstrand @ 925/10 wrote: RN> Ann, I'm a Quadraplegic (sp?) on SSDI (Social Seccurity Disability RN> Insurance) and I know I can't live on the $579 a month I get, thus I am RN> in a nursing home. I tried to find a job through Voc Rehab (worked RN> with the Soc. Sec. office for a bit on a non-paid work experience RN> project) but no dice. Now having problems with pressure sores which RN> make for limited sitting time. When I was at the Soc. Sec. office SSI RN> recipients couldn't work at all withoutlosing ALL benefits. The rules RN> may have changed since then, though. RN> Bob Bob, I'm a quad too and was on SSDI until I got my job. I received $350 a month and paid $13 per month for a $400/month appartment. Voc rehab paid for my attendant care and medicare took care of my medical bills. I didn't work so I had no regular transportation expenses or special expenses associated with work. I got a job netting about $800 a month. Lotta money, right? Well, voc rehab said goodbye to me right away because I was working now so I no longer needed them, right? Section 8 housing? Don't qualify any more. I work now. SSDI? Nope, I'm no longer disabled. I've proved it by going back to work. Transportation to/from work by private cab company with lift vans $425/month. Because I work I need attendant care to get me up/ dressed/ groomed in the morning. $200/month. I was alot richer when I didn't work. Welfare bums? People who would rather collect SSDI and not bother trying to get a job? Not my style and I couldn't do it but I have a new appreciation and understanding for those who do. I'm too poor to work! -Jerry -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!360!1.33!Jerry.Pickup Internet: Jerry.Pickup@p33.f1.n360.z1.fidonet.org
Tom.Baughman@p0.f13.n119.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Baughman) (01/17/90)
Index Number: 6253 > Tom, just saying hello. Was reading your message could you > tell me > more. When I ask if I could work, they told me what I couldn't > do not > what I could earn. It would be best if you contacted your Social Security office and asked them to provide you with the guide lines. If you are going to get additional training, then you would be eligible for a couple of programs that offer incentives in terms of keeping earned funds without loss of benefits. This are the PASS and IRWE programs. These programs are described in the Social Security Administrataion publication No. 64-030, ICN 436900, October 1988, entitled A Summary Guide to Social Security and Supplemental Security Income Work Incentives for the Disabled and Blind. I hope this is of some help. Type to ya later! -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!119!13.0!Tom.Baughman Internet: Tom.Baughman@p0.f13.n119.z1.fidonet.org
Ann.Stalnaker@f14.n385.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker) (01/17/90)
Index Number: 6297 Hi, Robert. Yes, it is true that one cannot draw SSI when they start working full time but the SSDI program works a bit different. You can draw SSDI for a year after you start working (if you make over $500 a month) which is what they consider a trial work period. If your job doesn't work out, then your SSDI is not affected and will not be stopped. I realize it is hard for some to work and I think the benefits should be for those who need it. I have problems dealing with those who refuse to work when they can or refuse to take a job because it is not what they want. Sometimes we have to do things we don't want to do until something better comes along. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying one should take a job that doesn't pay enough for them to live on. If the ADA ever passes, I think we'll see some changes for the better. I hope so. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!385!14!Ann.Stalnaker Internet: Ann.Stalnaker@f14.n385.z1.fidonet.org
Joe.Chamberlain@f302.n141.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain) (01/17/90)
Index Number: 6302 SL> Just thought I'd jump into this conversation, I also fell more disabled SL> when I try to live by the systems rules, so for right now I draw only SL> SS and I work at least part time, I know some people can't work, and I know a girl in Florida who tried to work with her disability and just could not earn enough to cover her expenses. She had gone to work on a trail basis and quit when it became evident that she wasn't going to earn a living wage. It is unfortunate because she was earning good money but her expenses because of her handicap were too much. She needed morning attendent care, special transportation, and numerours medical supplies. Today, she collects her SS and earns an nice income under the table doing bookkeeping at home for several small businesses. One of them bought her a computer system in return for services. Another pays her rent in exchange for services. So she has found a way to be productive and still live on social security. -=joe=- -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!302!Joe.Chamberlain Internet: Joe.Chamberlain@f302.n141.z1.fidonet.org
Pat.Goltz@f3.n300.z1.fidonet.org (Pat Goltz) (01/17/90)
Index Number: 6306 There's something wrong with a system that makes it more expensive for a person to work than not to. I think that a person who works should only lose a total of $1 for every $2 he earns, in benefits, combined, and that taxes should be taken into account in determining this figure. Pat -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!300!3!Pat.Goltz Internet: Pat.Goltz@f3.n300.z1.fidonet.org
Robert.Mchale@f1045.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Mchale) (01/19/90)
Index Number: 6335 There is a SSA program called P)lan to A)chieve S)elf S)upport that allows you to exclude your working income for up to 36 months. and retain your Medical Insurance indefinitely. The PASS ia years of Congressional legislation that has until now been unused. If Your local SSA office cannot give you the data you need(and many cant cause they dont know what a PASS is) leave me a message and I will send you an Info packet and give you some numbers. A PASS is not for every disabled person who wants to work, but perhaps you will find it helpful. Sincerely, Bob McHale Peer Advocate for Disabled Maryland -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!261!1045!Robert.Mchale Internet: Robert.Mchale@f1045.n261.z1.fidonet.org
Ron.Rothenberg@f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Ron Rothenberg) (02/02/90)
Index Number: 6556 RR> I operate my business mostly from my bathtub (particularly in RR> the summertime), using a cordless phone. What sort of work RR> would you like to do? RR> Hi Robert, I reread my response this morning (after sending it of course) and realize that it may be a bit curt and insensitive. If it came across that way, I'm sorry. My serious point was that there are many types of alternative employment that you can make for yourself, or with the help of the employer. I've molded a job that way for myself. Just keep in mind that not every job is 40 hours per week behind a desk. What sort of work are you looking for? What have you done in the past? What do you like doing (not just at work)? -rsr- e ... Most Improved BBSer (1989) American Sighted BSers' Association. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!101!460!Ron.Rothenberg Internet: Ron.Rothenberg@f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org
Robert.Norstrand@f8.n10.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Norstrand) (02/10/90)
Index Number: 6632 RR> I operate my business mostly from my bathtub (particularly in the RR> summertime), using a cordless phone. What sort of work would you like RR> to do? RR> -rsr- RR> ... The world is a vast temple dedicated to Discord. - Voltaire Ron, I don't really know what options are open to me as I'm not that good with the computer (I can load the programs and figure out how to run them, but forget the technicaal stuff like programming) and other things are rather difficult. Could you give me any ideas? (I tried Amway, but the administrator woulldn't let the people who brought me my orders onto the prooperty after they found out about it and banned the employees from doing business with me.) Am looking forward to a reply. # Origin: The Magic RBBS, Lakeland, FL (813) 688-8151 (1:137/600) (8:925/10) -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!10!8!Robert.Norstrand Internet: Robert.Norstrand@f8.n10.z1.fidonet.org
Robert.Norstrand@f8.n10.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Norstrand) (02/10/90)
Index Number: 6633 Curt, I have NEVER sold myself short (which is more than I can say for other people, I've been sold short many times, once by my first wife). As I've stated in previous messages, I intend to check into Voc Rehab again. And as for the hunt-'n'-peck system, I use the same method but can do it faster due to typing classes in high school. And my arms are limited to a large extent, also (biceps work fine, triceps are useless. And my hands are of little help I mainly use my thumbss to type when I'm up (both hands) and only one when in bed. # Origin: The Magic RBBS, Lakeland, FL (813) 688-8151 (1:137/600) (8:925/10) -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!10!8!Robert.Norstrand Internet: Robert.Norstrand@f8.n10.z1.fidonet.org
Ron.Rothenberg@f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Ron Rothenberg) (02/23/90)
Index Number: 6904 GG> Ron, a most interesting message (re you finding out what you GG> like to do and do the best). Maybe everyone graduating from HS GG> should go thru the same thing. Even I am thinking of going thru GG> it; maybe I should find out what I could/should do (for profit, GG> otherwise I know quite well ...) after retirement. It is quite GG> a ways yet, but it is never too early to prepare for it. I took the tests when I got out of high school. They said I would be happiest as a printer, a funeral director or a builder. I never tried directing funerals, but I've dabbled with the other two. I worked 10 years as a software developer. For the first 6 years that made me very happy. For the last 2 years it made me very unhappy - - - people change, professions change. I think it's more than the tests though, I think you need a very perceptive vocational counselor like I had. Most of the really important insights came from him in the first 15 minutes. The money I paid him was money well spent. Now I'm off doing work I love, work I consider play and find immensely gratifying. Work that may someday soon even turn a profit. My rabbi said to me when I was in college: Happiness is doing work you love. True happiness is doing work you love and getting paid lots of money for it. It sounded kind of simple and silly then, but it took me 15 more years to learn that for myself. For those who can't afford or can't find an appropriate vocational counselor, I suggest starting with taking the Myers-Briggs Personality Inventory for some insight into your personality and your needs. A subset of the test is available in computerized form in the file KIERSEY.ZIP on the VIBUG bulletin board and on BLINKTALK. Have your sysop FREQ it today! -rsr- ... We are all in this together -- by ourselves. - Lily Tomlin -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!101!460!Ron.Rothenberg Internet: Ron.Rothenberg@f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org