Ann.Parsons@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Parsons) (06/28/90)
Index Number: 8930 hI gREG, >>>>" What is an OVR counselor? >" FW>> Someone who's supposed to help you with your needs but FW>> generally screws up. >" >"Very true. The EXPERTISE for preparing very good counsellors has >"existed for about ten years. >" >"But there is a very great information gap between those with the >"knowhow, and everyone else. >" >"Eventually I want to develop communication mechanisms, to speed >"the transfer of knowhow. As it now stands, the communication >"channels are so overfilled with "One-Minute-At-A-Time" trivia, it >"is hard to get anything longterm into the overfilled >"communication channels. >" >"In my opinion, the Conference Moderator needs to try to get this >"conference ON-TOPIC. Being disabled is not enough an excuse for >"filling this communication channel with trivia. One quick question, Old Curmudgeon; how can you complain about the relative merits of counselors when you didn't even understand my comment about the terrible need for good communication in living. There are many books on communication skills, but the idea doesn't really sink in unless the person who's sending the communication really understands that the hperson to whom you're sending the information/advice/support may not understand what you're saying. If you get this concept through your head, then you become a good counselor because you "want" to communicate well. No amount of books will do that. Good counselors, like good teachers, are made in Heaven. I do not mean that you must be religious in order to counsel anyone, I merely mean to say that the skill of counseling is a gift. It's a combination of desire to communicate with a good knowledge of the System and its workings. Maybe that's where many counselors fall by the wayside because they didn't take the time to learn their area's resources well enough. I don't know, just a theory. See you on-line. Ann P. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!260!204!Ann.Parsons Internet: Ann.Parsons@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org
Greg.See-Kee@f631.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Greg See-Kee) (06/29/90)
Index Number: 8996
AP> gOOD COUNSELORS, LIKE GOOD TEACHERS, ARE MADE IN hEAVEN.
My counselling agency that I helped administer (Helping Hand
Mission, affiliated with one of the Anglican churches) would
probably like to agree with you.
Each training class, we designed an Interview day. From about 40
applicants on paper, we invited 30 to the "Selection Day".
We stage it so that only half will be there at the end of the
day. After our "selection", we still might lose a few who proved
unsuited to counselling.
The training topics & methods that we use are probably off-topic
to this conference.
AP> i MERELY MEAN TO SAY THAT THE SKILL OF COUNSELING IS A GIFT.
I see it as a stage in Personal Maturation. Some mature earlier
than others.
AP> COMBINATION OF DESIRE TO COMMUNICATE
Counselling is basically one-way: Client -to-dogooder.
Teaching, which I've also done, is mainly in the other direction.
AP> WITH A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF THE sYSTEM AND ITS WORKINGS.
The bookworms finishing some Unversity Social-Work course are
very good on theoretical knowledge.
AP> mAYBE THAT'S WHERE MANY COUNSELORS FALL
AP> BY THE WAYSIDE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T TAKE THE TIME TO LEARN THEIR
AP> AREA'S RESOURCES WELL ENOUGH.
So if they are dealing with a disabled person, say diabetes,
they might not recognize that retardation, "laziness",
hyperactivity, headaches, etc are really part of badly-controlled
diabetes.
Part of the ignorance and low-quality being given to disabled
people, is because the disabled people are TOO INARTICULATE.
There are lots of words being thrown about on this conference,
but the words are carefuully and deliberately avoiding any
information that will ultimately be useful to professional
do-gooders.
Unless Disabled People eventually learn to COMMUNICATE in words,
they will continue to be the victims of ignorance &
misunderstanding.
The victimization of disabled people, like the victimization of
colored people and all women (irrespective of race or
disability), is not deliberate nor rational.
The perpetrators of the victimization would probably like to stop
crippling the people around them.
But how?
So that's why we are here, trying to describe to the Persecutors,
just how they are really victimizing us, and therefore hurting
themselves - in the long run.
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Internet: Greg.See-Kee@f631.n712.z3.fidonet.orgAnn.Parsons@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Parsons) (07/18/90)
Index Number: 9196 Hi Greg, AP>> gOOD COUNSELORS, LIKE GOOD TEACHERS, ARE MADE IN hEAVEN. >" >"My counselling agency that I helped administer (Helping Hand >"Mission, affiliated with one of the Anglican churches) would >"probably like to agree with you. If they didn't, I would think they were backslidin'. <smile> >"Each training class, we designed an Interview day. From about 40 >"applicants on paper, we invited 30 to the "Selection Day". >" >"We stage it so that only half will be there at the end of the >"day. After our "selection", we still might lose a few who proved >"unsuited to counselling. >" >"The training topics & methods that we use are probably off-topic >"to this conference. Plobablly so, though the ineffeciency of rehab counselors is most certainly on-topic here. <chuckle> AP>> i MERELY MEAN TO SAY THAT THE SKILL OF COUNSELING IS A GIFT. >" >"I see it as a stage in Personal Maturation. Some mature earlier >"than others. Well, yes, you can not counsel others until you've examined yourself honestly. Self examination comes with maturity. AP>> COMBINATION OF DESIRE TO COMMUNICATE >" >"Counselling is basically one-way: Client -to-dogooder. >"Teaching, which I've also done, is mainly in the other direction. No, no, that depends on whose counseling methods you're following. It sounds to me like you're a rogerian. I'm an eclectic, myself. AP>> WITH A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF THE sYSTEM AND ITS WORKINGS. >" >"The bookworms finishing some Unversity Social-Work course are >"very good on theoretical knowledge. Ho, yeh, that's fer sher. <grin> AP>> mAYBE THAT'S WHERE MANY COUNSELORS FALL AP>> BY THE WAYSIDE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T TAKE THE TIME TO LEARN THEIR AP>> AREA'S RESOURCES WELL ENOUGH. >" >"So if they are dealing with a disabled person, say diabetes, >"they might not recognize that retardation, "laziness", >"hyperactivity, headaches, etc are really part of badly-controlled >"diabetes. By George, I think he's got it! >"Part of the ignorance and low-quality being given to disabled >"people, is because the disabled people are TOO INARTICULATE. Yes, that is also true, they are taught to be that way. >"There are lots of words being thrown about on this conference, >"but the words are carefuully and deliberately avoiding any >"information that will ultimately be useful to professional >"do-gooders. >" >"Unless Disabled People eventually learn to COMMUNICATE in words, >"they will continue to be the victims of ignorance & >"misunderstanding. Yes, but they need to be taught to do so. If the Do-gooders, as you call them, whould just change their attitude from, "I know what's best for you and I will tell you what is right." to "I can help you to make life changing decisions by giving you the information you need."...... >"So that's why we are here, trying to describe to the Persecutors, >"just how they are really victimizing us, and therefore hurting >"themselves - in the long run. Hmmmmm, welllll, I dunnow. I think that you're a bit too hard on The System here, Greg. They do not persecute us, they merely pursue us and try to mold us in their molds instead of allowing us to mold ourselves. <grin> Hmmmm, still being lazy, I see, not signing your posts. That's ok, we know who you are. <grin> Ann P. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!260!204!Ann.Parsons Internet: Ann.Parsons@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org