Walter.Siren.@p1.f8.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren ) (07/21/90)
Index Number: 9388
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
WW> TG> I just had to respond to your mesg. to David. I believe that
WW> TG> in the NFB there is a splitting of blinks into blind guys with
WW> TG> dogs and those without. As a dog user I saw this first hand at
WW> TG> every convention I attended, which was about ten.
WW>
WW> Tom,
WW> I'm not sure that this split is unique to the NFB, as I've also
WW> noted this same thing with most any group of blind people with whom
WW> I've come into contact!
WW> I'll may as well throw all caution to the wind, and take this even
WW> a step further...I've noticed that blind people who are educated via the
WW> "blind school" route appear to most often be the ones who view guide
WW> dogs as unnecessary baggage, or even worse! Ironically, I recently
WW> had a conversation with a young woman of this ilk, and yet she not only
WW> didn't use a cane effectively, she was obviously most use to traveling
WW> with sighted assistance! No big deal, cause I definately don't want to
WW> appear like one of those people who judges a fellow blink according to
WW> their mobility skills, but the fact that someone with very little
WW> ability in this area could be so adimantly anti-guide dog tells me she
WW> was taught to be that way!
Willie, first, when I went to the school for the blind, I did not
find they taught against guidedogs, but they seem to make a cane
shameful, and consequently, I went through college without a cane.
I did have object perception at that time. I had to be convinced
to use a cane after I finished college.
As far as the discrimination against guidedog users, I find that is
more discrimination between partials, and totals. The partials at
times seem to be ashamed of the totals. Now, before you partials
send me mail on this, this is not true of all of you. I don't like
putting people in a class.
Now, as far as at conventions, people not liking the guidedogs. I
Find that it is not that people dislike the dogs, but some of the
users. The way they handle their dogs. I know this is not the way
they were trained. Some don't take their dogs out like they
should, and they mess on the carpets. One day one lady with a dog
was passing up the line at the restraunt, and she was told that
there was a line there. She replied, that her dog did not know
anything about lines, and my wife told her no, but she did. I
think that it is the various reasons that cause the problems.
Walter
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Internet: Walter.Siren.@p1.f8.n396.z1.fidonet.orgDebbie.Hazelton@f19.n369.z1.fidonet.org (Debbie Hazelton) (07/24/90)
Index Number: 9420 [This is from the Blink Talk Conference] > Willie, first, when I went to the school for the blind, I did not find > they taught against guidedogs, but they seem to make a cane shameful, I heard that a lot of schools used to do that. > As far as the discrimination against guidedog users, I find that is > more discrimination between partials, and totals. I find that some, not all, partials try to make sure they are superior, try to "help" whether this 'ehp is wanted or not. > > Now, as far as at conventions, people not liking the guidedogs. I Find > that it is not that people dislike the dogs, but some of the users. The > way they handle their dogs. I know this is not the way they were > trained. Some don't take their dogs out like they should, and they mess > on the carpets. I know. One went in the exhibit hall and/but, managed to do this in an area that covered the territory in front of both guide dog schools who were exhibiting. Some "message" that dog was saying to those schools! <hahaha> It is ashame when a few people don't handle their dogs well. It is remembered and noticed. I felt that by in large there were more well behaved dogs there this year. It also seems to me that there was better mobility in general. Deb -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!369!19!Debbie.Hazelton Internet: Debbie.Hazelton@f19.n369.z1.fidonet.org