Wayne.Roorda@f14.n385.z1.fidonet.org (Wayne Roorda) (10/18/90)
Index Number: 11174 [This is from the Silent Talk Conference] Hi Jack, JO> The real tragedy is the dispensers' resistance to JO> true digital signal processing aids. The one attempt JO> at this (Nicolet's Phoenix) appears to be defunct. JO> All because dealers would need to make a modest JO> investment in new fitting equipment. This after JO> the findings that digital signal processing can enhance JO> the clarity of the speech signal and discrimination in JO> many difficult situations. From what I've heard the "modest investment" isn't exactly that modest. I'm not sure how much $$ would be required but I've heard figures of $20,000+. But I think the biggest drawback was that the manufacturers couldn't agree on any standard(s) and that each one would have their own form of fitting equipment. Therefore an investment would have to be made for each manufacturer. JO> The manufacturers marketing efforts are targeted JO> solely at the dealers, not the end users of their JO> products. But that is changing, I think because of the input the manufacturers are receiving from SHHH members. JO> The hearing aid industry is the last surviving JO> enclave of obsolete analog audio technology, JO> in a universe that has long since recognized the JO> advantages digital signal processing. True enough, but I wonder if they could filter out the EM noise from these CRT's while one is trying to use the T-coil on the telephone? And also the radar noise I pick up from the sites that have replaced the old SAGE equipment, not to mention the shrill noise I pick up in the entrances of some banks. Wayne -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!385!14!Wayne.Roorda Internet: Wayne.Roorda@f14.n385.z1.fidonet.org
Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe) (10/18/90)
Index Number: 11177 [This is from the Silent Talk Conference] WR> From what I've heard the "modest investment" isn't exactly that WR> modest. I'm not sure how much $$ would be required but I've WR> heard figures of $20,000+. The price I heard was $27K for the Nicolet Aurora to fit the Phoenix. But there is really no reason why a digital aid could not be fitted (programmed) using a PC. I think part of the problem was that Nicolet was coming from the diagnostic equipment direction and had not previously been directly in the hearing aid business. WR> Therefore an investment would have to be made for WR> each manufacturer. If they would make one programmable with a PC, that obstacle would evaporate. (and I could program my own <grin>). WR> JO> The manufacturers marketing efforts are targeted WR> JO> solely at the dealers, not the end users of their WR> JO> products. WR> But that is changing, I think because of the input the WR> manufacturers are receiving from SHHH members. Wayne, only 2 hearing aid manufacturers (Oticon and Telex) had display booths at Little Rock, and Telex didn't care enough to send anyone to man their booth. I counted 84 companies claiming to make hearing aids in the US last year. Where were they? I'll bet they were all at the NHAS (dealers) convention. WR> JO> The hearing aid industry is the last surviving WR> JO> enclave of obsolete analog audio technology, WR> JO> in a universe that has long since recognized the WR> JO> advantages digital signal processing. WR> True enough, but I wonder if they could filter out the EM noise WR> from these CRT's while one is trying to use the T-coil on the WR> telephone? I spoke with Telex engineering about a 60hz notch filter in line with the T-coil. They seemed interested, but no committment. A digital filter can be made to attenuate specific noise at least an order of magnitude more effectively than analog. WR> And also the radar noise I pick up from the sites WR> that have replaced the old SAGE equipment, not to mention the WR> shrill noise I pick up in the entrances of some banks. Have you ever had to pull your aids out to get thru the security checkpoint at an airport. Mine will trigger the magnetometer, but others do not. I always thought it might be the wireless BiCros I wear. The aid in the dead ear is actually a radio transmitter. ... Jack. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!129!26!Jack.O'keeffe Internet: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org