Ann.Parsons@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Parsons) (10/26/90)
Index Number: 11283 Hi James, >"Maybe you will reconsider that rose after you read my recent post >"on the contest. I think the aim is noble enough. And,I'd likethe >"50,000. It would help pay for the PH.D I hope to begin studying >"for next fall. >" Well, I looked at the contest and I think that if that is the only way those organizations can figure out to spend money when there are so many persons with disabilities with real needs, then I haven't got much to say for 'em. Why not start a good training program in computers? Why not start a rental agency for special equipment? Why not use the money to demonstrate specialized adaptations for the disabled to clubs who might be willing to sponsor somebody's equipment? Why not start a JOB AGENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??? Why should you be the only beneficiary of $50,000.00. Sorry, James but this one really gets my goat. See you on-line. Ann P. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!260!204!Ann.Parsons Internet: Ann.Parsons@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org
James.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.org (James Womack) (10/26/90)
Index Number: 11337
I can see your point. Actually 50,000 is not all that much and won't
allow any of the things you suggest. It simply would either not be
enough money to start up such programs or not enough to continue them.
Usually with contests like this, an agency works with a sponsor, usually
a company that has some association with the concept behind the promotion.
To get attention to a product or service, they sponsor contests. NCF
and agencies like them do not normally havethat kind of money tothrow
away. I suspect perhaps some computer company made the money available
specifically for this contest.
As I said I can see your point. However, I don't thinkwe should come
down so hard on them. It was an idea in which I honest believe their
hearts were in the right place. It's just too bad if they did not take
time to check on how disabled people ourselves viewed the concept as
a group. For my part, as a contest buff, I saw no problem with it.
For your part, I think you see it as an affront to disabled people's
dignity and a gross misdirections of a substantial amount of funds.
Now, we stand a rather opposite ends in our overall view onthis ( as
does Vixen who sides with you), but we are not the majority of the
disabled. Still, the views of the disabled might have been consulted
before the contest began. It would prove interesting to see what the
result would have been.
I respect your views and Vixen's as well ( how can you not?). But I
insist that the sponsors meant not a bit of harm to us whenthey came
up with this idea. There will always be people who either like or dislike
an idea for a variety of reasons. I guess the thing to do then would
be for disagreeing persons to send NCF a note on their views and in
additionnot bother to enter the contest.
I myself, would not mind 50,000. I could certainly use it to attend
the Ph.D. program of my choice so I can realize my goal of becoming
a superintendent of a deaf school and helping to make real changes
that benefit deaf kids educationally. I'd like nothing more than to
work with a faculty and staff at forming a model program that addresses
thereal needs of the deaf without all that oral/aural focused bagagge
that has not progressed deaf education at all inthe last 200 years.
Ok, Ann. Your turn. But after this, I am going to talk to you about
morepleasant things. I enjoy your electronic company too much to spedn
more thime on this contest subject anymore. :-)
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Internet: James.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.orgAnn.Parsons@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Parsons) (10/30/90)
Index Number: 11371 Hi James, >"I can see your point. Actually 50,000 is not all that much and >"won't allow any of the things you suggest. Well, that's my point, don't ya see, if they'd apply the funds to making better programs...... >"As I said I can see your point. However, I don't thinkwe should >"come down so hard on them. It was an idea in which I honest >"believe their hearts were in the right place. It's just too bad if >"they did not take time to check on how disabled people ourselves >"viewed the concept as a group. Well, you see that is again what I meant in the previous message when I talked about misdirection and misinformation. Having "good intentions" is no excuse for perseverating a mistake. As an educator you know that one of the things they watch for in dealing with emotionally disturbed children is perseveration. Well, this kind of assinine behavior on the part of an organization who or maybe it's which should know better leads me to question their collective emotional stability. This is not the first of this kind of mistake and will probably not be the last. >"For my part, as a contest buff, I >"saw no problem with it. For your part, I think you see it as an >"affront to disabled people's dignity and a gross misdirections of >"a substantial amount of funds. Now, we stand a rather opposite >"ends in our overall view onthis ( as does Vixen who sides with >"you), but we are not the majority of the disabled. Still, the >"views of the disabled might have been consulted before the contest >"began. It would prove interesting to see what the result would >"have been. Thanks, glad you see our point, James. >"I respect your views and Vixen's as well ( how can you not?). But >"I insist that the sponsors meant not a bit of harm to us whenthey >"came up with this idea. There will always be people who either >"like or dislike an idea for a variety of reasons. I guess the >"thing to do then would be for disagreeing persons to send NCF a >"note on their views and in additionnot bother to enter the contest. Right, be happy to do so. What's there address again? >"I myself, would not mind 50,000. I could certainly use it to >"attend the Ph.D. program of my choice so I can realize my goal of >"becoming a superintendent of a deaf school and helping to make >"real changes that benefit deaf kids educationally. I'd like >"nothing more than to work with a faculty and staff at forming a >"model program that addresses thereal needs of the deaf without all >"that oral/aural focused bagagge that has not progressed deaf >"education at all inthe last 200 years. How interesting that you want to be a superintendant. What would you like to see done with the communication methods of deaf kids? I live in the same town with the Rochester School for the Deaf. I understand that they are orally based in their views. Speaking as an outsider, I would think that learning as many means of communication possible would be the way to go with each kid. But, of course you would want to make each kid's program different because each kid is different. I think one should consider the kid's wants too, if he/she is able to make them known. Maybe there's a deaf kid out there weho only wants to learn sign. There may be another who wants to learn only speech/oral/aural communication. I dunnow. What do you think? >"Ok, Ann. Your turn. But after this, I am going to talk to you >"about morepleasant things. I enjoy your electronic company too >"much to spedn more thime on this contest subject anymore. :-) How right you are. Take care, see you on-line. Ann P. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!260!204!Ann.Parsons Internet: Ann.Parsons@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org