[misc.handicap] Angy and Handicapped parking Permits

James.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.org (James Womack) (10/26/90)

Index Number: 11278

Was your permit or handicapped sticker prominently displayed? I ask 
because I too am guilty of blwoing out people who have no handicapped 
license plate or sticker on their car using these spaces. i have seen 
non-hanidcapped people use them. Somehandicapped people do not seem 
handicapped, whichis understandable to me. But when there is no permit 
or other I.D. displayed, you can't help but question what the heck 
they are doing using that space. I always thought such cars were required 
to display such information so officers would know whether or not to 
cite the car.
 
If you have such a sticker, simply point it out to any loudmouth who 
asks. Speaking for myself ( I am not an orthopedic), I resent people 
who use those spaces but have no permit to do so.
 
I don't know if this helps, but do make sure your permit is obvious 
to people who do care about who uses those spaces.

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Christine.Selfe@p0.f147.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Christine Selfe) (10/30/90)

Index Number: 11362

Disabled In Action ,.. in Phialdelphia , Pa   came up with this 
brainstorm when trying to figger out a good way to handle this problem..
 What we did was have a couple  hundred "Tickets" printed up. The 
tickets  state very clearly that it is not a Police ticket.. but a 
"reminder" that the person is  parked in a handicapped parking space.
That it is against the law to park there as  the personis blocking 
people who  have a real need of this space... and in the future , please 
be more considerate... we then, with the cooperation of the police dept, 
began placing them in windsheilds of illegally parked cars. it really 
helps.  Why not try something like that ?
 I Know that you canprobably get a few copies of those "tickets" from 
the Offic of Civil Rights bearest to you. The people who invented this 
all also work for OCR.  If  you cannot get any  tickets from either of 
those places, let me know and I will  see if i can scratch up a few for 
you.

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Aaron.Feldman@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Aaron Feldman) (11/02/90)

Index Number: 11448

Yes just to end this discussion I handed the guy my permit so he could 
not only see it but see my name on the back. I guess this was the 
biggest reason behind my anger that I felt I had to go to such lengths 
to defend myself and *still* he was not satisifed. Many times I have 
been asked and I usually just point to it or show it to the person and 
tell them thank you for their concern. Thank you for your interst, aaron

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James.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.org (James Womack) (11/05/90)

Index Number: 11514

Aaron, I know this can be a crock. I also thank you for understanding 
people like me. People who don't like to see non-handicapped people 
use those spaces. Believe me, this attitude is better than apathy which 
could lead to worse things.
 
Now for your anger, itis reasonable. I do think that prominently displaying 
a plate or sticker entitling you to the space is a fast solution to 
your problem. Well, like you said, let's end this. I think you have 
recovered rather well from this mess.

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Aaron.Feldman@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Aaron Feldman) (11/06/90)

Index Number: 11553

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

Could not resist adding this addenduim to my story. I borrowed my 
friend's 1989 White Mercedes and (it was inadvertly) went back to the 
parking lot. Again I had my permit displayed in the open and again who 
should I see but *Rocky*. I really belive he did not recognize me for I 
did not get out of the car for fear of another confrontation. Well he 
walked right bye as did everyone else without as much as a question as I 
usually get. This is when I started to ask myself is there another 
variable involved, i.e., socioeconomic status. You see my car is a 
rusted old orange Datsun. To test my new hypothesis I took my permit 
down and sat for about 15 minutes listening to a tape and no one said a 
*word*. If nothing else I found it interesting and it did add another 
point of view (at least for me). Shalom, Aaron

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James.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.org (James Womack) (11/06/90)

Index Number: 11565

Aaron, I am sure you will bump into a bunch horse's a**es on that issue. 
There are people with one sided points of view and even lifestyles. 
Unfortunately, we must sharethis planet with them.
 
I insist on believing that most people are like me when it comes to 
handicapped spaces. We dislike seeing them used by anyone other than 
those who they are for-handicapped persons. Of course, you are going 
to find some people who are more statusly selective in who they publically 
reprimand for using those spaces.
 
I hope you never go through what you did again, but I just believe 
that most people are fairly decent intheir concern about who uses the 
space. Some times maybe a bit misplaced. Such as when a permit is not 
obviously displayed for some reason and etc. But there are a bunch 
of us out there who care. I don't think I can say more than I already 
have about the horse's --- who humilated you before except hang in 
there, bud, there are more of us on your side than against you.

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cas@mtdcb.att.com (Cliff Stevens) (11/09/90)

Index Number: 11645

To park in a handicapped space you need legal permission! 
And if you park in a space without permission (either plates
or a placard) you should be shot dead!  And by state law your license
plates have to be easily visible and also by state law your placard should
be in the front window.
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dlg@riacs.edu (David L. Gehrt) (11/16/90)

Index Number: 11710

In article <15331@bunker.UUCP>, Aaron.Feldman@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org
(Aaron Feldman) writes:
|> Index Number: 11448
|> 
|> Yes just to end this discussion I handed the guy my permit so he could 
|> not only see it but see my name on the back. I guess this was the 
|> biggest reason behind my anger that I felt I had to go to such lengths 
|> to defend myself and *still* he was not satisifed. Many times I have 
|> been asked and I usually just point to it or show it to the person and 
|> tell them thank you for their concern. Thank you for your interst, aaron
|> 

I don't know about this whole thread, and I may have even missed an
important part of it, but...  I too have MS, and a handicapped
parking placard.  Like many who have MS, I sometimes don't look
impaired even when I am feeling especially lousy.

When I first read about this event, my initial reaction was that it
was an interesting turn of events that a normally disabled person,
would be on the lookout for the parking priviledges of the
handicapped.

This discussion has gone too far in my opinion.  Without intending
any insult to you Aaron, why in blazes to you feel set upon.  My
course of action would have been to tell the person that I was
authorized to park in the handicapped spot and then moved off
smartly (well, as smartly as my condition allows).

Why sign up for the anger and hurt you obviously feel?  You owed
the bozo no further explanation, and the fact that you are now
angry (at him, you?) because you, "...felt [you] had to go to such
lengths to defend [yourself] and *still* he was not satisifed...."
seems to me to be silly.  You owed him absolutely no explanation
(legally, ethically or any other way that I can see), and now you
have made yourself a victim because you volunteered to be a
victim.  Don't do it anymore... take charge of your own li fe, and
don't  let the bastards get you down.  If you don't you are in for
a long and emotionally painful existence.