James.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.org (James Womack) (10/26/90)
Index Number: 11278
Was your permit or handicapped sticker prominently displayed? I ask
because I too am guilty of blwoing out people who have no handicapped
license plate or sticker on their car using these spaces. i have seen
non-hanidcapped people use them. Somehandicapped people do not seem
handicapped, whichis understandable to me. But when there is no permit
or other I.D. displayed, you can't help but question what the heck
they are doing using that space. I always thought such cars were required
to display such information so officers would know whether or not to
cite the car.
If you have such a sticker, simply point it out to any loudmouth who
asks. Speaking for myself ( I am not an orthopedic), I resent people
who use those spaces but have no permit to do so.
I don't know if this helps, but do make sure your permit is obvious
to people who do care about who uses those spaces.
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Internet: James.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.orgChristine.Selfe@p0.f147.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Christine Selfe) (10/30/90)
Index Number: 11362
Disabled In Action ,.. in Phialdelphia , Pa came up with this
brainstorm when trying to figger out a good way to handle this problem..
What we did was have a couple hundred "Tickets" printed up. The
tickets state very clearly that it is not a Police ticket.. but a
"reminder" that the person is parked in a handicapped parking space.
That it is against the law to park there as the personis blocking
people who have a real need of this space... and in the future , please
be more considerate... we then, with the cooperation of the police dept,
began placing them in windsheilds of illegally parked cars. it really
helps. Why not try something like that ?
I Know that you canprobably get a few copies of those "tickets" from
the Offic of Civil Rights bearest to you. The people who invented this
all also work for OCR. If you cannot get any tickets from either of
those places, let me know and I will see if i can scratch up a few for
you.
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Internet: Christine.Selfe@p0.f147.n109.z1.fidonet.orgAaron.Feldman@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Aaron Feldman) (11/02/90)
Index Number: 11448
Yes just to end this discussion I handed the guy my permit so he could
not only see it but see my name on the back. I guess this was the
biggest reason behind my anger that I felt I had to go to such lengths
to defend myself and *still* he was not satisifed. Many times I have
been asked and I usually just point to it or show it to the person and
tell them thank you for their concern. Thank you for your interst, aaron
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Internet: Aaron.Feldman@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.orgJames.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.org (James Womack) (11/05/90)
Index Number: 11514
Aaron, I know this can be a crock. I also thank you for understanding
people like me. People who don't like to see non-handicapped people
use those spaces. Believe me, this attitude is better than apathy which
could lead to worse things.
Now for your anger, itis reasonable. I do think that prominently displaying
a plate or sticker entitling you to the space is a fast solution to
your problem. Well, like you said, let's end this. I think you have
recovered rather well from this mess.
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Internet: James.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.orgAaron.Feldman@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Aaron Feldman) (11/06/90)
Index Number: 11553
[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]
Could not resist adding this addenduim to my story. I borrowed my
friend's 1989 White Mercedes and (it was inadvertly) went back to the
parking lot. Again I had my permit displayed in the open and again who
should I see but *Rocky*. I really belive he did not recognize me for I
did not get out of the car for fear of another confrontation. Well he
walked right bye as did everyone else without as much as a question as I
usually get. This is when I started to ask myself is there another
variable involved, i.e., socioeconomic status. You see my car is a
rusted old orange Datsun. To test my new hypothesis I took my permit
down and sat for about 15 minutes listening to a tape and no one said a
*word*. If nothing else I found it interesting and it did add another
point of view (at least for me). Shalom, Aaron
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Internet: Aaron.Feldman@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.orgJames.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.org (James Womack) (11/06/90)
Index Number: 11565
Aaron, I am sure you will bump into a bunch horse's a**es on that issue.
There are people with one sided points of view and even lifestyles.
Unfortunately, we must sharethis planet with them.
I insist on believing that most people are like me when it comes to
handicapped spaces. We dislike seeing them used by anyone other than
those who they are for-handicapped persons. Of course, you are going
to find some people who are more statusly selective in who they publically
reprimand for using those spaces.
I hope you never go through what you did again, but I just believe
that most people are fairly decent intheir concern about who uses the
space. Some times maybe a bit misplaced. Such as when a permit is not
obviously displayed for some reason and etc. But there are a bunch
of us out there who care. I don't think I can say more than I already
have about the horse's --- who humilated you before except hang in
there, bud, there are more of us on your side than against you.
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Internet: James.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.orgcas@mtdcb.att.com (Cliff Stevens) (11/09/90)
Index Number: 11645 To park in a handicapped space you need legal permission! And if you park in a space without permission (either plates or a placard) you should be shot dead! And by state law your license plates have to be easily visible and also by state law your placard should be in the front window. ------------ Militant Handicapped Survivor! Cliff Stevens MT1E228 att!cbnewsj!ncas (908)671-7292
dlg@riacs.edu (David L. Gehrt) (11/16/90)
Index Number: 11710 In article <15331@bunker.UUCP>, Aaron.Feldman@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Aaron Feldman) writes: |> Index Number: 11448 |> |> Yes just to end this discussion I handed the guy my permit so he could |> not only see it but see my name on the back. I guess this was the |> biggest reason behind my anger that I felt I had to go to such lengths |> to defend myself and *still* he was not satisifed. Many times I have |> been asked and I usually just point to it or show it to the person and |> tell them thank you for their concern. Thank you for your interst, aaron |> I don't know about this whole thread, and I may have even missed an important part of it, but... I too have MS, and a handicapped parking placard. Like many who have MS, I sometimes don't look impaired even when I am feeling especially lousy. When I first read about this event, my initial reaction was that it was an interesting turn of events that a normally disabled person, would be on the lookout for the parking priviledges of the handicapped. This discussion has gone too far in my opinion. Without intending any insult to you Aaron, why in blazes to you feel set upon. My course of action would have been to tell the person that I was authorized to park in the handicapped spot and then moved off smartly (well, as smartly as my condition allows). Why sign up for the anger and hurt you obviously feel? You owed the bozo no further explanation, and the fact that you are now angry (at him, you?) because you, "...felt [you] had to go to such lengths to defend [yourself] and *still* he was not satisifed...." seems to me to be silly. You owed him absolutely no explanation (legally, ethically or any other way that I can see), and now you have made yourself a victim because you volunteered to be a victim. Don't do it anymore... take charge of your own li fe, and don't let the bastards get you down. If you don't you are in for a long and emotionally painful existence.