Danny.Keys@p0.f5.n119.z1.fidonet.org (Danny Keys) (12/07/90)
Index Number: 12392
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
Actually the best screen reader is, VOCAL - EYES from GW MICRO.
It can be made to work with almost any program, because it has keyboard
mapping.
You can use set files, and put them in batchfiles, and then when you
load a new program, or switch between programs, the screen reader, VOCAL
- EYES, will configure to work with that program.
Also, the Vocal - Eyes program will work with colors as well as light
bars, and a whole lot more.
Again the best screen reader is VOCAL - EYES from GW MICRO.
Also, the program has some other neat features like; HYPERACTIVE
WINDOWS, AND SILENT WINDOWS, OR SPEAK WINDOWS as WELL AS NEWTRAL
WINDOWS.
Boy, that is some powerfull stuff.
Because i am now using a screen reader like VOCAL-EYES, i now have a
completely talking and interactive Wordperfect 5.1 now how do you like
that.
--
Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!119!5.0!Danny.Keys
Internet: Danny.Keys@p0.f5.n119.z1.fidonet.orgTandy.Way@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org (Tandy Way) (12/29/90)
Index Number: 12604
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
SG> control-l for some thing else. Yes I know that flipper has a
SG> way arround this but it takes to much time and extra key
SG> strokes.
SG> The bottom line is that flipper is not only a half-way supported
SG> program (supported when the company feels like supporting it),
SG> it is a slow program that should be placed on the shelf right
SG> along with the old raised print books that blind people had to
SG> use in the old days before braille. Flipper should move aside
SG> and let a real program take its place, namely, "JAWS (The
SG> Best)".
you must be kidding or just crazy don't know which. you actually
think jaws is monumentally better than flipper 3.0 ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha sounds to me like you have some personal axe to grind with
flipper and your comments are not objective. I don't like flippers
method of copy protection and yes there onsight support leaves
something to be desired but it still has more going for it than the
current crop and I use a variety of software applications that try
its upper limmits. jaws is memory hungry around 80k for the new
version but I would like to measure that for myself not take ted
hinters word for it. the oder version was 125k or more. its support
of the vast array of synthesizers is poor. it concentrates on
supporting ssi263 based boards only and marginally supports some
others. wake up and smell the coffee
... Ben Franklin wasn't the ONLY one lightning got
--
Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!377!6!Tandy.Way
Internet: Tandy.Way@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.orgWalter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren) (01/03/91)
Index Number: 12618
DK> Actually the best screen reader is, VOCAL - EYES from GW MICRO.
It is a good one, but I can't say it is the best. Really I can't
say which one is the best, since they each have their advantages.
DK> It can be made to work with almost any program, because it has keyboard
DK> mapping.
So does jaws.
DK> You can use set files, and put them in batchfiles, and then when you load a
DK> new program, or switch between programs, the screen reader, VOCAL - EYES,
DK> will configure to work with that program.
So can jaws.
DK> Also, the Vocal - Eyes program will work with colors as well as light bars,
DK> and a whole lot more.
Again so will jaws.
DK> Again the best screen reader is VOCAL - EYES from GW MICRO.
Again that is a matter of opinion. AS I said before, I won't say
which one is the best. Just like foods, I am sure that we like
different foods. To say what I like is better, would be wrong.
DK> Also, the program has some other neat features like; HYPERACTIVE WINDOWS,
DK> AND SILENT WINDOWS, OR SPEAK WINDOWS as WELL AS NEWTRAL WINDOWS.
DK> Boy, that is some powerfull stuff.
DK> Because i am now using a screen reader like VOCAL-EYES, i now have a
DK> completely talking and interactive Wordperfect 5.1 now how do you like
DK> that.
I think that is great. Have you tried jaws. If you wish to
compare them you should try both of them. I have tried both, and
that is why I can say that both are good. It just so happens that
I like jaws better at this time. That doesn't mean that I
couldn't change my mind in the future.
Walter
--
Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!396!5.18!Walter.Siren
Internet: Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.orgBill.Koppelmann@f114.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Koppelmann) (01/04/91)
Index Number: 12637
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
Jeff, I would definitely agree with you on the best screen reader issue.
When I figot my Toshiba, I liked flipper. Now that I have an AT keyboard
available to me, I really like Jaws.
Bill.
--
Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!104!114!Bill.Koppelmann
Internet: Bill.Koppelmann@f114.n104.z1.fidonet.orgDave.Tanner@p0.f210.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Tanner) (01/04/91)
Index Number: 12646
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
Well, it was tempting to quote part of the message I am responding
to, but I decided it wasn't worth trying to decide what to quote.
Let's just say that there are several good screen access packages
around today, but everyone of them come up short in one way or
another. Jaws takes too much memory unless you have Jaws 2 which
is only available for the Accent, yes, there is a Artic version
being beta tested, and I understand from one fellow who has been
testing it that it is really buggy. Flipper is nice as long as you
don't need any support and plan on keeping the same computer for
the next five years or so. Artic is nice if you don't mind being
chained to never changing to another synthesisor made by another
company other than Artic Technologies. Vocal-eyes is a great
program, but I can think of a few things it could have that it
doesn't. Vert is even a nice software if you don't mind having a
speech software that reflects where the leading speech software
packages were two or three years ago.
I could go on and list a few others, but the real problem is that
none of the IBM speech software packages has even begun to deal
with the biggest problem that is going to become even bigger over
the next several years; GRAPHICS!!!
I think the speech developers need to take some lessons from
Outspoken speech for the Apple Mac. If some way is not found to
break through this problem of being able to read graphics on the
IBM screen we are soon going to be into a real problem convincing
employers that a blind employee can use the newest software
packages. It seems that every new release of a widely used
softtware package in the business world is moving more and more
toward a graphics interface. Businesses are jumping on the Windows
wagon by the flocks and there is absolutely no speech software that
will work with windows because of the graphics interface.
Speech developers, if you are reading this, windows are great and
we do need them, but all the windows in the world won't do anything
to tell us about a screen that is bit mapped. With all the memory
now available it would seem of prime importance to do whatever
needs to be done to get the graphics interface as accessable to us
as posible. If it takes a lot of memory to make a software that
will handle that then put the software in expanded or extended
memorywhere memory constraints are not as critical a
consideration.
--
Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!273!210.0!Dave.Tanner
Internet: Dave.Tanner@p0.f210.n273.z1.fidonet.org