[misc.handicap] HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN ONTARIO

Julie.More@f223.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Julie More) (01/11/91)

Index Number: 12825

Well, I totally disagree with you, but then that's what makes the
basis of a good discussion. <grin>  I think being disabled already
cost enough to the individual without being charged every time he
goes to see a doctor.  Also doctors tend to refer you to other
specialists, so what may start out as one doctor appointment might
end up seeing 4 different specialists.  If you go to a hospital to
emergency or for a doctor's appointment you already have to pay for
parking, and believe me that can add up, especially if your
appointment is at 1:00 o'clock, but as usual the doctor is behind
schedule and you have to wait about 2 hours to be seen.

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Jean-pierre.Beland@f223.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Jean-pierre Beland) (01/11/91)

Index Number: 12827

yes, it could be very expensive to see several doctors at $5 a throw.

Maybe we should not have to pay $5 every time we see specialist.

The $5 should apply only to familly physicians and emergency room.
I think that most of the cost of the health care system comes from
persons that visit the doctor every time they have a small
ailment.

Or we could have a two tier health car system.  One for the average
person and one for those that can pay for better service.

I would appreciate having the opportunity of paying for the best service.

cheers, J.P.

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Julie.More@f223.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Julie More) (01/11/91)

Index Number: 12833

Well I disagree with you again. <grin>  I disagree with the 2 tier
system.  I think everybody should have the opportunity to get the
best health care regardless whether they can afford to pay or not.
The other point about only having to pay the $5.00 if you see your
family doctor not the specialist.  Do you realize every time you
want to see a specialist you have to see your family doctor first?
It is not good enough to phone your family doctor and ask for a
referral you actually have to go and see him.  Right now all you
are loosing is your time to go and see him, but if your idea goes
through then you are also loosing $5.00.  Now if you also have kids
that means you have to hire a babysitter, and that can be quite a
sum especially if you have to wait at the doctors.  If you work,
and your doctor doesn't have office hour in the evening, you have
to take time off from work and that cost money too.

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Jean-pierre.Beland@f223.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Jean-pierre Beland) (01/11/91)

Index Number: 12835

What I am advocating is no more than what we had to pay when health
care insurance was provided by the employer.  At that time, it was
insurance, and the insurance did not pay a cent until you had
reached a certain amount in expenses and they only paid 75% of your
cost.

When the government took over, they still paid 75% of the doctor's
fees, but from the first dollar.  Eventually, most familly
physician accepted the amount from the government and did not ask
the patient to pay the 25%.

The 25% that the government did not pay, became known as extra
billing by the doctors.  In recent years, only specialist extra
billed, or asked for 100% of their fees.

When the familly physician stopped asking for the 25% they also
increased the number of patients they were seeing, so that now you
wait in the doctor's office for an hour or more, and he sees you
for about 5 minutes.

Of course, if a user fee would be charged, those on welfare and the
seniors would be exempt as they are now.  The only ones paying for
medicare is the middle class and the seniors that have enough
income to pay income tax.

the reason that I think that we should have a two tier system, is
that as things now stand, our health care system will get worsee
and new technology will not be used in order to save money.  We
will receive old procedures, that may be good, but new ones will
not.

If those that can pay, did pay, then new technology will come on
stream as there would be a market to pay for it.  Eventually, this
new technology will also be used by those that cannot afford it.

I would rather have the choice between an EMG and a MRI.  I would
gladly pay $50 to have the MRI than an EMG.  cheers, J.P.

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