Patrick.Gormley@p0.f143.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Patrick Gormley) (12/05/90)
Index Number: 12265
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
Jamal you must have something more than to just express opinions to
warrant such behavior. I can distinctly remember lengthy discussions
with the late John McCraw concerning disability insurance back in the
late 70's where he supported the NFb position but privately he felt
free to let his views that people would abuse the system as it was
proposed. Lloyd has not seen your message yet but We definitely
discussed it last night. We need more information and if I get to New
Orleans next year, it probably won't be acted on until that time anyway.
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Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!109!143.0!Patrick.Gormley
Internet: Patrick.Gormley@p0.f143.n109.z1.fidonet.orgJamal.Mazrui@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Jamal Mazrui) (12/05/90)
Index Number: 12293
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
Pat, I understand your wondering what else may be behind the
attempt to expel me. Goodness, I never would have expected such
actions against myself or any other member for dissenting views.
In order to have a semblance of a credible case, the national
office is making charges of organizing blind people against the
Federation. These charges, however, are trumped ones, which, if
you would hear me out, I think I could convince you of. I have
indeed expressed my views to others, but have done so openly and
within the organization itself. It is only now that I am going
public with this situation because the cards are so stacked
against me. In another message I explain that the national and
state president already tried to expel me without notice at a
state board meeting about 10 days ago. Failing in that attempt,
the national board is seeking to override the decision of the
Massachusetts affiliate. I have heard a rumor from a reliable
source that the national board did in fact vote to expel me and
that a letter is on the way. This the Wednesday after the
Saturday board meeting at the national center. I still have not
received official word of the decision.
To some extent, you and other Federationists who have known me
have to trust me when I tell you that have done nothing to
deserve such punitive action. I cannot give you all the details
now, mainly for lack of time. I will gladly, however,
distribute information to you and anyone else, documenting
actions done by me and to me since the Dallas convention. I ask
you to find out as much as possible for youself, learning what
you can from all sources and seeking to verify the statements
made by any source. If, after learning as much as you
practically can, you do in fact conclude this to be unjust, then
I would certainly appreciate your help in spreading the word
within Maryland and working to keep me as a fellow
Federationist. I have dedicated myself for ten years to the
Federation as my major extracurricular organizational
involvement, as I'm sure many others listening have also done.
I have believed in our philosophy and essential objectives and
then thought for myself as what is the best way to implement
them in our society. I have never deliberately tried to bring
the organization down. If some of my views have stirred
controversey seen as disruptive, it may be such, but it was
inadvertently so, and that is part of the democratic activity of
any collection of individuals.
Thanks for responding to my earlier message and for continuing
to listen.
--Jamal--
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Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!101!460.0!Jamal.Mazrui
Internet: Jamal.Mazrui@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.orgDaveed.Mandell@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Daveed Mandell) (12/05/90)
Index Number: 12310
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
Jamal: I am sitting here in shock, reading your words. I can well
imagine your dismay and incredible shock! I hope that this matter
can be resolved reasonably. If not, the NFB will only harm itself
and its philosophy. I see nothing wrong with some militancy, and I
feel the philosophy is sound. ACB would do well to adopt much of
it! But NFB is often much too dogmatic and unwilling to hear
others out. The power play in that organization is unfortunate. I
would hate folks to denigrate the NFB's philosophy because of the
way in which it's implemented. I also believe its leaders have
made a substantially positive contribution to the welfare of the
blind. Calling Jernigan and Maurer "Jim Jones" -- which I read
recently on this board -- is absolutely distasteful.
We desperately need another organization.
Who knows!
--Daveed--
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Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!101!460.0!Daveed.Mandell
Internet: Daveed.Mandell@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.orgDave.Tanner@p0.f210.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Tanner) (12/06/90)
Index Number: 12354 [This is from the Blink Talk Conference] In a message of <28 Nov 90 16:09:22>, Jamal Mazrui (1:101/460) writes: > >then thought for myself as what is the best way to implement >them in our society. I have never deliberately tried to bring >the organization down. If some of my views have stirred >controversey seen as disruptive, it may be such, but it was >inadvertently so, and that is part of the democratic activity of >any collection of individuals. Isn't that really the problem? You did the unpardonable sin of thinking for yourself and not following the dictatorship of those at the top of the organization. Haven't you realized that only the leadership of NFB has the right to think. If you are not a leader then you are not suppose to think; you as a member, not a leader, are suppose to be a dumb blind sheep lead around by the nose by the leadership and have no thoughts that conflict with the preached philosophy of the organization. It appears that your intelligence has threatened the leadership. You had the nerve to think, to use your brain for something other than to preach their double talk of independence with threats of legal action if they don't get their way. Look at what they call independence and see just how independant most of those who preach the philosophy really are and make up your own mind. Looks like to me they really did you a favor and payed you a complement for your ability to think for yourself. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!273!210.0!Dave.Tanner Internet: Dave.Tanner@p0.f210.n273.z1.fidonet.org
Dan.Kysor@f999.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Kysor) (12/29/90)
Index Number: 12603
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
how about a third organization comprised of the "independent blind"???
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Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!203!999!Dan.Kysor
Internet: Dan.Kysor@f999.n203.z1.fidonet.orgDaveed.Mandell@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Daveed Mandell) (01/03/91)
Index Number: 12619
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
Yes, the California affiliate is not a particularly warm or
inviting place, so I have found!
That's very unfortunate. And, yes, I'd say both organizaions are
are frightfully politically conservative!
--Daveed--
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Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!101!460.0!Daveed.Mandell
Internet: Daveed.Mandell@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.orgDan.Kysor@f999.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Kysor) (01/04/91)
Index Number: 12639
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
jamel, stand up, stretch, take a deep breath, shake yourself off and forget
about the nfb because "in my opinion" the 90's may see the wall come down
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Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!203!999!Dan.Kysor
Internet: Dan.Kysor@f999.n203.z1.fidonet.orgJamal.Mazrui@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Jamal Mazrui) (01/11/91)
Index Number: 12855
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
Dan, an organizazation of the "independent blind" sounds good if
it had most of the philosophy on blindness of the National
Federation of the Blind and most of the democratic processes of
the American Council of the Blind. But is it possible with two
large organizations already in existence to successfully
organize a third?
--Jamal--
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Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!101!460.0!Jamal.Mazrui
Internet: Jamal.Mazrui@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.orgDan.Kysor@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Kysor) (01/11/91)
Index Number: 12886
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
jamal, i'm not sure but i would think that after a while when
people just get fed up with the raticals of nfb and the complasincy
of acb, something will get done. i do agree with you about
combining the two main features of both organizations to form an
independent organization. dan, not just dan speaking for himself,
it's dan speaking for dan...
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