Patrick.Gormley@p0.f143.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Patrick Gormley) (12/05/90)
Index Number: 12265 [This is from the Blink Talk Conference] Jamal you must have something more than to just express opinions to warrant such behavior. I can distinctly remember lengthy discussions with the late John McCraw concerning disability insurance back in the late 70's where he supported the NFb position but privately he felt free to let his views that people would abuse the system as it was proposed. Lloyd has not seen your message yet but We definitely discussed it last night. We need more information and if I get to New Orleans next year, it probably won't be acted on until that time anyway. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!109!143.0!Patrick.Gormley Internet: Patrick.Gormley@p0.f143.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Jamal.Mazrui@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Jamal Mazrui) (12/05/90)
Index Number: 12293 [This is from the Blink Talk Conference] Pat, I understand your wondering what else may be behind the attempt to expel me. Goodness, I never would have expected such actions against myself or any other member for dissenting views. In order to have a semblance of a credible case, the national office is making charges of organizing blind people against the Federation. These charges, however, are trumped ones, which, if you would hear me out, I think I could convince you of. I have indeed expressed my views to others, but have done so openly and within the organization itself. It is only now that I am going public with this situation because the cards are so stacked against me. In another message I explain that the national and state president already tried to expel me without notice at a state board meeting about 10 days ago. Failing in that attempt, the national board is seeking to override the decision of the Massachusetts affiliate. I have heard a rumor from a reliable source that the national board did in fact vote to expel me and that a letter is on the way. This the Wednesday after the Saturday board meeting at the national center. I still have not received official word of the decision. To some extent, you and other Federationists who have known me have to trust me when I tell you that have done nothing to deserve such punitive action. I cannot give you all the details now, mainly for lack of time. I will gladly, however, distribute information to you and anyone else, documenting actions done by me and to me since the Dallas convention. I ask you to find out as much as possible for youself, learning what you can from all sources and seeking to verify the statements made by any source. If, after learning as much as you practically can, you do in fact conclude this to be unjust, then I would certainly appreciate your help in spreading the word within Maryland and working to keep me as a fellow Federationist. I have dedicated myself for ten years to the Federation as my major extracurricular organizational involvement, as I'm sure many others listening have also done. I have believed in our philosophy and essential objectives and then thought for myself as what is the best way to implement them in our society. I have never deliberately tried to bring the organization down. If some of my views have stirred controversey seen as disruptive, it may be such, but it was inadvertently so, and that is part of the democratic activity of any collection of individuals. Thanks for responding to my earlier message and for continuing to listen. --Jamal-- -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!101!460.0!Jamal.Mazrui Internet: Jamal.Mazrui@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org
Daveed.Mandell@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Daveed Mandell) (12/05/90)
Index Number: 12310 [This is from the Blink Talk Conference] Jamal: I am sitting here in shock, reading your words. I can well imagine your dismay and incredible shock! I hope that this matter can be resolved reasonably. If not, the NFB will only harm itself and its philosophy. I see nothing wrong with some militancy, and I feel the philosophy is sound. ACB would do well to adopt much of it! But NFB is often much too dogmatic and unwilling to hear others out. The power play in that organization is unfortunate. I would hate folks to denigrate the NFB's philosophy because of the way in which it's implemented. I also believe its leaders have made a substantially positive contribution to the welfare of the blind. Calling Jernigan and Maurer "Jim Jones" -- which I read recently on this board -- is absolutely distasteful. We desperately need another organization. Who knows! --Daveed-- -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!101!460.0!Daveed.Mandell Internet: Daveed.Mandell@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org
Dave.Tanner@p0.f210.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Tanner) (12/06/90)
Index Number: 12354 [This is from the Blink Talk Conference] In a message of <28 Nov 90 16:09:22>, Jamal Mazrui (1:101/460) writes: > >then thought for myself as what is the best way to implement >them in our society. I have never deliberately tried to bring >the organization down. If some of my views have stirred >controversey seen as disruptive, it may be such, but it was >inadvertently so, and that is part of the democratic activity of >any collection of individuals. Isn't that really the problem? You did the unpardonable sin of thinking for yourself and not following the dictatorship of those at the top of the organization. Haven't you realized that only the leadership of NFB has the right to think. If you are not a leader then you are not suppose to think; you as a member, not a leader, are suppose to be a dumb blind sheep lead around by the nose by the leadership and have no thoughts that conflict with the preached philosophy of the organization. It appears that your intelligence has threatened the leadership. You had the nerve to think, to use your brain for something other than to preach their double talk of independence with threats of legal action if they don't get their way. Look at what they call independence and see just how independant most of those who preach the philosophy really are and make up your own mind. Looks like to me they really did you a favor and payed you a complement for your ability to think for yourself. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!273!210.0!Dave.Tanner Internet: Dave.Tanner@p0.f210.n273.z1.fidonet.org
Dan.Kysor@f999.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Kysor) (12/29/90)
Index Number: 12603 [This is from the Blink Talk Conference] how about a third organization comprised of the "independent blind"??? -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!203!999!Dan.Kysor Internet: Dan.Kysor@f999.n203.z1.fidonet.org
Daveed.Mandell@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Daveed Mandell) (01/03/91)
Index Number: 12619 [This is from the Blink Talk Conference] Yes, the California affiliate is not a particularly warm or inviting place, so I have found! That's very unfortunate. And, yes, I'd say both organizaions are are frightfully politically conservative! --Daveed-- -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!101!460.0!Daveed.Mandell Internet: Daveed.Mandell@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org
Dan.Kysor@f999.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Kysor) (01/04/91)
Index Number: 12639 [This is from the Blink Talk Conference] jamel, stand up, stretch, take a deep breath, shake yourself off and forget about the nfb because "in my opinion" the 90's may see the wall come down -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!203!999!Dan.Kysor Internet: Dan.Kysor@f999.n203.z1.fidonet.org
Jamal.Mazrui@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Jamal Mazrui) (01/11/91)
Index Number: 12855 [This is from the Blink Talk Conference] Dan, an organizazation of the "independent blind" sounds good if it had most of the philosophy on blindness of the National Federation of the Blind and most of the democratic processes of the American Council of the Blind. But is it possible with two large organizations already in existence to successfully organize a third? --Jamal-- -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!101!460.0!Jamal.Mazrui Internet: Jamal.Mazrui@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org
Dan.Kysor@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Kysor) (01/11/91)
Index Number: 12886 [This is from the Blink Talk Conference] jamal, i'm not sure but i would think that after a while when people just get fed up with the raticals of nfb and the complasincy of acb, something will get done. i do agree with you about combining the two main features of both organizations to form an independent organization. dan, not just dan speaking for himself, it's dan speaking for dan... -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!203!11!Dan.Kysor Internet: Dan.Kysor@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org