[misc.handicap] braille

Gene.Sale@f8.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Gene Sale) (01/06/90)

Index Number: 6158

Hi Pat
 Hope you had a HAPPY NEW YEAR and may it be one of happiness, good 
health , peace and prosperity.
 
 Allen has done quite well with his braile, and I would say has excelled 
beyond the expectations of his Special Ed Teacher. To be honest though , 
the school was reluctant to teach or even introduce braile to Allen.
Last year , when Allen was four, I had asked his teacher when would Allen 
be introduced to Braille? Her reply was, not until he was 6 or 7. My 
next question was, Who was recomending this? Did she feel that Allen had 
a learning disability? Her responce to this was that the educators , the 
ones who were suppose to be the experts in the field, recomended this. 
But she did not feel that Allen had a learning disability. So to prove my 
point that Allen was able to learn this is what me and my wife were able 
to accomplish at home when Allen was four.
 We purchased some three dementional letters and was able to teach Allen 
the ALPHA BET within two to three weeks. He at first had no concept of 
how the letters went as for as position of the letter as a sighted person 
would see them, but he could destinguish at random the letter. The last 
month of school his teacher had loaned us the brailler for the summer. 
I then aquired some plastic cards that were used in making I D cards.
I cut the left top corner of the card to designate as the top and front
of the card. I preceded to make a set of braille flash cards so to speak.
Allen and I would take a letter from his three dementional letters and 
Allen would tell me the letter and I would give him the card for it. 
Before long Allen knew the three dementional letters and the brail letter 
that matched it. So by the time he started back to school he had some 
idea what braille letters were.
 We did this against the advice of Allen's educators because in thier 
view the three dementional letters would only confuse him. And he was not 
ready to learn braille. 
 Around JUNE there was a siminar for the BLIND sponcered by the SCHOOL 
for the BLIND  of RUSTON La. The speakers were all blind...I had also 
envited ALLEN'S teacher.....It deffinately had the desired effect...
Now at the age of five Allen is reading stories in braille and is using 
his cane to manuver around school, within the school grounds only.
 I whish there were more childrens books in braille. I was shocked when I 
call The National Light House For The Blind and was told there were no 
books or tapes available for children.
 I would say that keeping the faith has brought us a long way and will 
take us as for as the imagination will allow. Allen sometimes falls on 
the I can't do it attitude but with a little encouragement and a little 
prodding , Allen is able to do most anthing he wants.
 One of his Teachers' AIDS told me how ALLEN would scare her when he
CLIMBED the JUNGLE BARS by his self.
 I think Allen will go far if the educators do not impose their own road 
blocks upon him.
 Well , I must go for now.
Thanks for the reply and GOD BLESS.
Signed:
 A friend in Louisiana
  
Gene

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Pat.Goltz@f3.n300.z1.fidonet.org (Pat Goltz) (01/12/90)

Index Number: 6188

Hi, Gene!
  That was a neat description of how you helped Allen learn Braille. Isee 
we have another Montessorian among us! These are precisely the kinds of 
methods I prefer to use. They work quite well. The reason most young kids 
don't learn things at early ages is that we don't know how to teach them; 
NOT because they have limitations of their own. My theory is that a baby 
has maximum potential, and it begins to decay unless effort is made to 
help him do something with it. The more you do with it at an earlier age, 
the brighter he will be when he grows up. I've worked with kids a lot 
with this idea in mind, and we have done some experiments, and gotten the 
most remarkable results. For example, I had each of my kids reaching and 
grasping objects within hours of birth (except the oldest, who was born 
before I started this, my LD, who did it at 3 weeks, and my youngest, 
who, it turns out, doesn't like to let people know what he knows: he did 
it at 4 days when I wasn't looking, out of a total of 7, and also the 
newborns of several friends of mine.) Normally babies are not expected to 
do this until they are 3-4 MONTHS of age. More on this when I have more 
time.
  I can sympathize with your inability to find children's books in 
Braille. I like to study foreign languages, and the way I like to do it 
to begin with is to read children's books. I have a limited budget, and 
this means buying used books. Although the bookstores have racks full of 
books in foreign languages, I am lucky if I find five or six children's 
books in all foreign languages combined. And with a child like Allen, it 
would be prohibitive, timewise, to Braille books for him. He'd read you 
out of house and home! Hark, you Brailling volunteers! Here's an unmet 
need.
  Pat

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Barbara.Akin@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Barbara Akin) (01/12/90)

Index Number: 6214

Gene, I just happen to see your message concerning Allen to Pat where you 
mentioned that you were having a hard time finding good children's books 
in Braille.
I have a wonderful solution for you!
Seedlings Braille Books For Children
8447 Marygrove Drive
Detroit, Mi. 48221.
Phone 313-862-7828
Director Debra J. Bonde
This organization is a non proffit origanization that produces all the 
best sellers, etc in Braille, both in Grade 1, and Grade 2 Braille as the 
child progresses along with their reading skills.
The best part of this whole deal is that the books cost no more than do 
the print books. And yes, your child gets to Keep the books!!!
I am a blind parent, and so I use these books in reveerse manner, I read 
them to my sighted children. 
Allen would find them absolutely Wonderful, and they will enhanse his 
interest in reading all the more.
The catalog for these books is available from the above address in both 
print, and in Braille. A grade level is listed after each book title so 
you know wheather or not the book is suitable for your child's level.
Enjoy!
And, by the way, if you'd like to talk with me at any time, my phone here 
at Insight International Inc is 602-956-1459.{
I grew up blind from birth, (was a premature baby) and thus lost my 
sight.
I am now age 37, and have two girls who are sighted, ages 4 and 8. I was 
a "main streamed" kid and went to public schools all my life.
So, would be glad to help with anything you may have questions about.

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Ann.Parsons@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Parsons) (01/12/90)

Index Number: 6218

Hi Gene,
As a certified teacher of the visually impaired I say great! If Allen's 
ready to read, fine! I think that the trouble with many teachers is that 
they have a tendency to say all children, blind or sighted are all alike. 
They aren't.
As a blind braille reader, I say great! I was a grief to my teachers 
because I am a one-handed, one-fingered braille reader. But, I get along. 
No, I don't have another disability, I just read better with one finger. 
<grin>
As for books for kids, try Library of Congress, also try your local 
library for taped books, there are a lot of them around. You can get them 
in bookstores, you know the kind that have the print book accompanying 
them? There are also a lot of albums out too.
The reason you don't find too many braille books is that only about 
twenty percent of all blind people read braille.
As for Allen's teacher being scared about his climbing the jungle jim by 
himself, I had a nursery school teacher who allowed me to climb into one 
of the trees on the playground. Then, she handed me a blanket and a broom 
so I could play that I was Polynesia The Parrot, in nest. <grin>
Keep squeaking, "the squeaky wheel gets oiled." Take care and God bless.
Ann P.

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Carla.Campbell@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Carla Campbell) (01/17/90)

Index Number: 6249

 
 GS> Before long Allen knew the three dementional letters and the 
 GS> brail letter that matched it. So by the time he started back to 
 GS> school h idea what braille letters were.  We did this against 
 GS> the advice of Allen's educators because in thier view the three 
 GS> dementional letters would only confuse him. And he was not 
 GS> ready to learn braille.  Around JUNE there was a siminar for 
 GS> the BLIND sponcered by the SCHOOL for the BLIND  of RUSTON La. 
 GS> The speakers were all blind...I had also envited ALLEN'S 
 GS> teacher.....It deffinately had the desired effect... Now at the 
 GS> age of five Allen is reading stories in braille and is using 
 GS> his cane to manuver around school, within the school grounds 
 GS> only.  I whish there were more childrens books in braille. I 
 GS> was shoc call The National Light House For The Blind and was 
 GS> told there books or tapes available for children.  I would say 
 GS> that keeping the faith has brought us a long way and will take 
 GS> us as for as the imagination will allow.

That's marvelous news!  I'm very glad to hear Allen is progressing so
well, and even more pleased to hear of your ingenious ways of helping
him along in spite of the ol' system's reluctance.  YOu do, indeed, show
imagination, and I suspect that will take you quite far!

I know that Barbara has already given you ideas of places to contact for
Braille books, but if you are also interested in taped books, the
National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped
provides a great many children's titles on cassette.  If you are not
already in contact with your regional library, try calling the state
library in your state's capital and asking for the Department for the
Blind & Phycially Handicapped or "Talking Books Library" and find out
what you need to do to sign up.  While I think the Braille is wonderful
for Allen's continued progress in reading and writing, a few books in
recorded format can suppliment Braille reading and accustom him to
getting written information from several types of source.

Best of luck. Allen sounds like a great kid and he has great parents.
He's lucky to have the type of support you're providing and more power
to you all!

... Happiness is a warm modem.

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Ron.Rothenberg@f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Ron Rothenberg) (01/17/90)

Index Number: 6265

 BA> Gene, I just happen to see your message concerning Allen to Pat 
 BA> where you mentioned that you were having a hard time finding 
 BA> good children's books in Braille.

Hi Gene,

I missed the beginning of the conversation, so this may be a repeat,
but there are also kid's magazines available in Braille.  Here's the
list from "Magazines in Special Media":

Boy's Life

Children's Digest (published by Parent's magazine)

Current Events (for grades 7 & 8)

Expectations (Anthology of books and selected chapters from outstanding
books for 8-13; includes poetry, embossed pictures, and a
scratch-and-sniff section. (annual, free)

My Weekly Reader
Wee Wisdom
Playboy (just kidding)
and many others.  More details on request.

Some are available in both large print and braille for sharing reading
experiences.  -rsr-

... Only the young die good.

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Linda.Iverson@f0.n70.z8.fidonet.org (Linda Iverson) (06/06/90)

Index Number: 8680

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi, Al!  Glad to find another dedicated braille user!  I have never 
seen 20 weight form-feed paper such as you were describing, but I know 
that at one time, at least, American Thermoform Company in California, 
offered a draft quality paper--$21.95 for one thousand sheets.  I have 
never seen it, but I gather it is the type of paper braille magazines 
are done on.  I don't know if it was punched.  Some places will punch 
paper on request; some not at all, and others do it for a fee.  Since 
Blazie Engineering's Braille Blazer is designed for the narrow paper, 
perhaps they would be a good source.  I know Clovernook Printing House 
sells regular lightweight braille paper.  I don't know if they offer 
computer paper or not.  I have a standard hole punch.  I can only do 
about three sheets of braille paper at once, but it works!  I wait 
till there's lots to read from you guys before I start a big punch 
job--some entertainment to alleviate the boredom!  If you need the 
addresses of any of the places I have mentioned, let me know and I'll 
try to find them.  How is the braille with the LED by the way?  What 
translator do you use?  I have a VersaPoint 40 which I am using with 
Hot Dots.  Keep brailling!  Linda
 
 

 # Origin: DD Connection 2, Arlington TX (817/640-7880) (Opus 1:130/10)

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David.Andrews@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Andrews) (06/07/90)

Index Number: 8703

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 LI> Hi, Al!  Glad to find another dedicated braille user!  I have  
 LI> never seen 20 weight form-feed paper such as you were  
 LI> describing, but I know that at one time, at least, American  
 LI> Thermoform Company in California, offered a draft quality  
 LI> paper--$21.95 for one thousand sheets.  I have never seen it,  
 LI> but I gather it is the type of paper braille magazines are done  
 LI> on.  I don't know if it was punched.  Some places will punch  
 LI> paper on request; some not at all, and others do it for a fee.   
 

I have been using the draft paper from American Thermoform.  It is
somewhat thinner then magazine paper, and a little more grainy.  It
doesn't produce great braille because of its thickness, I would
guess about 40 or 50 pounds, but it is good braille for draft
work.  As I said, it isn't as smooth as regular braille paper, and
it is somewhat difficult to rip apart and remove the tractor
strips, but it does save you money.  I don't know whether or not
they will punch it.

David Andrews

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Tom.Gerhart@f210.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Gerhart) (07/19/90)

Index Number: 9331

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 MA> HI, Tom.  Could you tell me what turbobraille lacks that you 
 MA> just can't live without?  I'm interested in how it compares 
 MA> with other programs and would value your opinion.
 MA> marda

Hi Marda,

Your msg was to Al and I so I'll answer for me and he can answer for
himself.  I have a demo of the Turbo braille program, and the only thing
that I wish it could do is multiple copies, other than that I really
think it is the best thing out there for a very good price.  I finally
got my thiel up and running.  It is just incredible to watch. Tom G

P.s.  We should be able to start producing braille for the public in
September. Tom G

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David.Andrews@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Andrews) (07/27/90)

Index Number: 9548

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 AH> David: 
 AH>      Sorry about being so late with a response, but I moved.   
 AH>      Anyway, I really like you'alls attitude about support for  
 AH>  Turbo Braille--its probablly the best out, but Joe still is  
 AH>  nice to me even if my questions have at times taken him a long  
 AH>  time to answer. Let me play with this demo I have a TB and  
 AH>  I'll send you a list of "missings and wanted,".  I sort of  
 AH>  doubt my list would meet a lot of people's expectations, but  
 AH>  if I can make my program do what I want, they'll be surprised.  
 AH>   I don't think I am viewing translation in the same "black  
 AH>  box" mode as most people do, its more a process then just  
 AH>  "make me braille,".  There are a lot of variables as you know,  
 AH>  I think there are a lot of methods to achieve nearly perfect  
 AH>  braille format, composition, and output that haven't been  
 AH>  tried yet.  If I gave out my approach you'd get it done first.  
 AH>   Besides I'm probablly gonna give mine away, source and all.   
 AH>  Hope you like Pascal, thats the source language unless I get  
 AH>  kicked in the butt soon and rewrite this in C++. 
 
Al, Yes, Joe Sullivan is a nice guy.  When we introduced Turbo Braille, he came
up to me and introduced himself and wished us luck.  Duxbury is a good program,
and undoubtedly the most accurate.  It is a little expensive though and can be
complex to use.
I think braille translation is pretty straight forward, but the formatting sure
does get tricky.  Turbo Braille is written in C.  Chuck tells me that Pascal is
easier to write in, but does not have as much available as C, so a good
programmer will eventually runout of steam with pascal.  Looking forward to your
feedback.
David Andrews

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Susan.Wimberly@f5.n382.z1.fidonet.org (Susan Wimberly) (08/12/90)

Index Number: 9767

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Doug,  The Dipner driver within Brailletalk enables me to use a 
modified ink print printer to produce braille.  I think it was 
originally written by the people at Grass Roots Computing.  Someone 
else on the echo might be able to give you further information.
Susan

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David.Andrews@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Andrews) (08/21/90)

Index Number: 9889

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 SW> Doug,  The Dipner driver within Brailletalk enables me to use a  
 SW> modified ink print printer to produce braille.  I think it was  
 SW> originally written by the people at Grass Roots Computing.   
 SW> Someone else on the echo might be able to give you further  
 SW> information. Susan 
  
Susan,
The Dipner Dots method was originally developed by Raised Dot Computing and put
in their Braille-Edit and BEX programs.  It allows an ink-print printer to
produce draft quality braille using the period to punch holes.  It involves
modifying the platen, wraping it with a soft material.  I didn't know that
Braille Talk had such a driver, but it may.
David Andrews

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Al.Hoffman@p0.f143.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Al Hoffman) (01/11/91)

Index Number: 12876

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Bonnie:

     If you are interested I can run a test document through PC Braille 
for you and send it, or you could download it from here.  If you are 
interested, this bbs is at 703-768-2751 24 hours 2400 baud, etc.  
I think it would be nice to put a translator on-line, something like, 
you upload, and call back for the automatic download the next day, 
or in a certain time set.  This could be an interesting idea, but 
probablly won't get too far.  For the very occasional braille user 
this would be great.

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Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren) (01/11/91)

Index Number: 12889

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 AH> it would be nice to put a translator on-line, something like, you upload, 
 AH> and call back for the automatic download the next day, or in a certain time 
 AH> set.  This could be an interesting idea, but probablly won't get too far.

     I wouldn't think so.  By the time you spend all those bucks for an imbosser, the amount in comparison extra for a translator wouldn't make that much difference for the inconvenience of having to send and download text.
  
               Walter 

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