Linda.Iverson@f10.n130.z1.fidonet.org (Linda Iverson) (08/12/90)
Index Number: 9768
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Hi, Al! I haven't heard anyone else around here say they use IBM's
Screen Reader. So, are we it? I didn't understand it, but was interested
in your comments about reconfiguring Screen Reader so that now you
don't use the keypad very much. Would you explain it again? How do
you like Screen Reader? I like it very much. I haven't really used
anything else all that much. I have some demos I've worked with some,
but nothing extensively. I'm fairly new at all this, so am interested
in hearing from other Screen Reader users.
The Easter Seals office in Fort Worth works with IBM, and I called
not long ago asking them about their discounts on adaptive equipment.
The lady I spoke with asked what equipment I had. When I mentioned
Screen Reader--get this, Al--she started asking me questions about
Screen Reader!! Isn't that the way sometimes? They have people with
no disabilities to administer programs and sell equipment they know
nothing about!
Anyway, thanks for what you can share.
Linda
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Internet: Linda.Iverson@f10.n130.z1.fidonet.orgAl.Hoffman@p0.f143.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Al Hoffman) (08/12/90)
Index Number: 9769
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Hi Linda:
For information about Screen Reader, call 1-800-426-2133, ask for
Walt Dean. I don't know if Screen Reader is the program for most
people, its not a simple program, one you can sit down and right
away be computing and having voice output. Its more of a platform
from which you can configure the functions it contains, with the
programs you have, to produce the results you want. Sort of like
Vert's special files for Word Perfect, you can write profiles for
Screen Reader, but the profile access language is the most powerful
out-there--including if I might be presumptuous, any macor program
alive. Screen Reader has more information available to the profile
programmer from the platform, such as things like Starting Row of
changed text, and ?Ending Row of Changed text, "what you might
say?"
Well, the thing is that you can make Screen Reader work really
nicely, but you must do lots of work, and learn how the profile
access language works well enough to accomplish the real good stuff
first. Its sort of one of those situations thats always coming up
in computing, what you put in is what you get out. If you put in
just a little, you will get out little, but if you learn and work,
you will achieve more than you bargained for.
I personally feel that Screen Reader provides a interface method
that can be used accross operating systems, and with some new
functions, and profile access language additions, it could become
useful in the Windowing Interface environment--such as OS/2.
No, I don't work for IBM. I think Screen Reader is not really the
right tool for may people who are only using a limited group of
software, because they usually can make their other program work
well enough with the application. In my case however, after
working with ARtic, and a mainframe edit/work environment called
ISPF, for the past 9-10 months, and after seeing the Screen REader
profile a man in California wrote I can safely say that the Screen
REader profile does things I can't make ARtic do even with the
Macro driver I am using with it!
The unfortunate thing about all this is that most people don't want
to be programmers, yet they want to program, or at least get the
results that at the present stage of things, only personal
programming will provide. For example, to make the ISPF profile,
the profile writer had to learn lots and lots about how he wanted
the voice output from the environment to sound. He had to then go
find all the relavant information, and then make a logical plan for
using the functions providedin ScreenReader to get him the
results--then he had to write the code, and debug his mistakes, and
finally, "bing!" it worked...
Most people want only to get the "bing!" not the steps up to
it--and for most people its not cost effective for them even to try
and program everything they want--they'd never get done.
Oh well, can't say why I am babbling so much today, maybe the
grilled burgers I had a while back are making me typing-happy or
something. Maybe this little babbling will help somebody out there
to understand their own situation with being frustratedwith their
stupid computer. Hope so.
Bye!
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Internet: Al.Hoffman@p0.f143.n109.z1.fidonet.orgDonald.Breda@f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Donald Breda) (08/12/90)
Index Number: 9790
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LI> Hi, Al! I haven't heard anyone else around here say they use
LI> IBM's Screen Reader. So, are we it?
No, your not it.
I also use screen reader upon occation and hopefully in the near future
I will have more time to really dive in too the pal language.
Don
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Internet: Donald.Breda@f460.n101.z1.fidonet.orgAl.Hoffman@p0.f143.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Al Hoffman) (09/14/90)
Index Number: 10381
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Hi Linda:
Well, yes we will maybe get a few days off, without pay of course.
I'll pass along any good tips about Screen Reader when I run accross
them. I will say that one thing to keep in mind when you have the
problem of some programs not scrolling at the bottom of the screen (like
when you are in a word processor and at the bottom of the screen and hit
the down arrow and the thing doesn't read the next line), is to use the
"set up line indicator," option. Its a little tricky, but when you do
it right the ting works perfecdtly from then on. I think it maybe
useful for other things than it was intended for--such as scrolling
windows too.
I don't know the person you refered to, but no problem. Thanks for
the mail, and have a good weekend.
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Internet: Al.Hoffman@p0.f143.n109.z1.fidonet.orgLinda.Iverson@f10.n130.z1.fidonet.org (Linda Iverson) (11/21/90)
Index Number: 11938
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Al, are you saying that it is possible to use all the Screen Reader
functions without using the keypad? Are there advantages or disadvantages
to Screen Reader without the keypad? I don't think I could do what
you described, so tell me what advantages there are to it other than
not using the keypad.
Thanks!
Linda
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Internet: Linda.Iverson@f10.n130.z1.fidonet.orgLinda.Iverson@p0.f33.n130.z1.fidonet.org (Linda Iverson) (11/29/90)
Index Number: 12043
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Hi, Al!
When using the Alt key to stop speech, is it faster than simply
using the keypad stop key? If not, it might not be worth the
time it would take to do it. I'm a fast typist and really
Screen Reader is the only package I've used very much, so I'm
used to it. You know how it goes! We're always looking for
ways to improve what we already have. If you don't mind
answering, what synthesizer are you using? Thanks.
Take care!
Linda
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Internet: Linda.Iverson@p0.f33.n130.z1.fidonet.orgAl.Hoffman@p0.f143.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Al Hoffman) (12/01/90)
Index Number: 12118
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Hi Linda:
I am using Screen Reader with the ARtic type voice card, the
Symphonix 200 series. The driver should be available soon when we
send it back to IBM--if its finally finished. Anyway, If you are
used to the system you have, well, the only way to find out if you'd
like the other way would be to try and if you didn't like it, don't
use it. Maybe there is somebody in your area to help you.
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Internet: Al.Hoffman@p0.f143.n109.z1.fidonet.orgIsaac.Obie@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Isaac Obie) (01/11/91)
Index Number: 12854
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hey, fellas what kind of screen readers aroe you using? is it ralph the
reader?, read.com?, type?, m' more?, or what? i use read.com. i have a
problem with long docum"ents beacuse i cannot turn it off and return. i
guess you cold use list.com, look.com, and there must be others. any
suggestions? i don''t l ike ralph the reader. that'sthe onlyone i
don'tseem to like. i wonder ifvocal eyes or jaws isgoodfor braille
reading? or flipper? i'll be interested in opinions. thanks.
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Internet: Isaac.Obie@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.orgWalter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren) (01/11/91)
Index Number: 12863
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IO> hey, fellas what kind of screen readers aroe you using? is it ralph the
IO> reader?, read.com?, type?, m' more?, or what? i use read.com. i have a
IO> problem with long docum"ents beacuse i cannot turn it off and return. i
IO> guess you cold use list.com, look.com, and there must be others. any
IO> suggestions? i don''t l ike ralph the reader. that'sthe onlyone i don'tseem
IO> to like. i wonder ifvocal eyes or jaws isgoodfor braille reading? or
IO> flipper? i'll be interested in opinions. thanks.
Well, ralph and read, are not exactly screen readers like jaws,
vocal eyes, and flipper. Those last programs are speech programs,
and ralph and the like are text readers. I know what you are
saying about those programs. I like to use jaws along with
wordperfect, and jaws' continuous read program which will allow you
to read to the end of the doccument, or stop it at any time just by
pressing the control key. I think that vocal eyes has the same
feature, but I do not know about flipper.
There is a program that vos use to include with it's program called
htype which would stop at the end of each screen. Also it would
let you move forward to any screen, and it had a search feaature.
You also could use the more command which would allow you to stop
at the end of each screen and review any part of the screen you
wished. I think that you can also do this with ralph, if you don't
use the continuous read command. That is the one thing that I told
Dave that I did not like about ralph, and that was if you go into
the continuous command, you had to read till you finished the
doccument.
Walter
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Internet: Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.orgJeff.Salzberg@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jeff Salzberg) (01/11/91)
Index Number: 12873
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WS> There is a program that vos use to include with it's
WS> program called htype which would stop at the end of each
WS> screen. Also it would let you move forward to any screen, and
WS> it had a search feaature.
SQWINT stops at the end of each screen, although it does have a
non-stop option. It also lets you page backward, as well as supporting
searches and capture.
... Let's have more fun in '91
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Internet: Jeff.Salzberg@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.orgWilliam.Wilson@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (William Wilson) (01/11/91)
Index Number: 12878
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WS> jaws along with wordperfect, and jaws' continuous read program
WS> which will allow you to read to the end of the doccument, or
WS> stop it at any time just by pressing the control key. I think
WS> that vocal eyes has the same feature, but I do not know about
WS> flipper.
Walter,
Yes, Flipper has the continuous read feature, as does Softvert.
Although they differ in how they are implimented, and how effective
they are, I think most of the speech programs have a continuous read
feature of some type now.
Willie
... BlinkTalk, Dr. Deb and Silver in Pittsburgh!
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Index Number: 12905
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walter, i didn't know that ralph could read long documents. i
like read.com because i can use it, but if i turn it off, i'll
have to guess where i was last when i return. now, since speech
is not an option for me, buying jaws, flipper, vocal eyes would
be useless. i got read.com with my versabraille two plus. so
read.com, raplph, type, and the more command are "text" reade=s,
huh? well, the more command doesn't allow you to back upeither.
i guess i'll never find a real satisfactory text reader. i'll
keep my eyes open though. i'll be looking around blinktalk and
elsewhere. thanks again, walter.
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Index Number: 12917
Tandy.Way@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org (Tandy Way) (01/15/91)
Index Number: 12926
Jeff.Salzberg@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jeff Salzberg) (01/15/91)
Index Number: 12948
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WS> I don't know of any of them that do. Have you tried
WS> sqwint? I believe that it will allow you to back up.
Yup. It sure does let you back up. It won't let you save your place,
but the status line tells you how far into the file you are (on a
percentage basis). If you know you were 70% into the file, for
example, the next time you load that file, press "7" and you will jump
to approximately the same place.
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Index Number: 12917
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IO> walter, i didn't know that ralph could read long documents. i
IO> like read.com because i can use it, but if i turn it off, i'll
IO> have to guess where i was last when i return.
I don't know if any of them will bring you back to the place you
stopped without you remembering it for yourself. That is why I
like to read such things in wordperfect. When I stop, I can block
from where I stopped to the top, and cut it off. If I still want
the orriginal in tact, I then save it under another name, and if I
don't want it, I just save it under the same name so that when I
return to it, I will be where I left off.
IO>well, the more command doesn't allow you to back upeither.
I don't know of any of them that do. Have you tried sqwint? I
believe that it will allow you to back up.
Walter
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Index Number: 12926
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you are mixing up the terms of screen reader and text reader. screen
readers are voice packages like vocal eyes flipper jawws ect. text
readers are ralph list readme ect. you might try version 21 of ralph or
jeff salsburgs efforts squint. squint is available on your home bbs as
sqwnt272.zip
tandy
... If it itches - Stroke it!.....It might Work.
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Internet: Tandy.Way@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.orgTURNER@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Art) (01/16/91)
Index Number: 12987 screen reader: has been around a long time, unless I do not get your drift. speech for screen are avaible now art, better known as slydog
campbell%hpdmd48@hplabs.HP.COM (Gary Campbell) (01/17/91)
Index Number: 13006 I like the specialversion of the popular program List distributed on the CBFB disk called listb. It is the normal list program except that it writes through BIOS. I set up a window in artic that excludes the top and bottom lines of the screen and use the u and d commands to move up and down a page at a time (the pgup and pgdn keys in Artic cause a speech function after the pg key is executed which gets in the way of list in that mode). Listb moves backward and forward in a file, and I think it can keep your place in more than one file-- but not after you quit. If you have the appropriate archivers, list can show you a directory (which actually has the system cursor at the right place on the list if I remember right), let you pic a file and show it to you. If that file isan archive, you can view the file list of the archive, choose a file, and have the file dearchived for you while you read it. With the Docupilot feature of the new Artic 3.0 (continuous read) though, I may change to something like WP because I don't think the continuous read feature will work well with list. Gary Campbell