Jay.Croft@p0.f147.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Jay Croft) (03/01/91)
Index Number: 13811
[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]
A good, but long, message. One quibble--all school programs for deaf
children include speech and lipreading lessons. Like any other subject,
some are more successful at it than others.
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Internet: Jay.Croft@p0.f147.n109.z1.fidonet.orgJames.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.org (James Womack) (03/01/91)
Index Number: 13818
[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]
Fran, I am not all-manual, though IO must seem that way. I would be
the first to advocate a deafie with a good amount of residual hearing
to take speech classes, use a hearing aid, etc. If yougot it, use it
before you lose it, I say.
I am a strong advocate of lettingthe child develop ASL asa first language
so that his/her world experience can happen. Learn things that hearing
kids pick up incidentally for the simple reason that they have and
are developing a first language on which to build future learning.
If the deaf child is allowed this same privilege, s/he will take off
and be one. I see this almost everytime I get a deaf kids from deaf
parents who are ASL users themselves. This kid is quick and it is usually
they who go to college and achieve so highly. They come o school with
a solid foundation on hich to build.
Hearies are learning signs in groves. Recently statistics says there
are more hearing signers than deaf signers in the uSA! Imaginethat.
In anycase, so what? If a deafie has thetype of education s/he should
tobegin with, who needs speech all that much? I talk just fine (or
so I am told) yet, I willoften insist on using a pen and paper (especially
in matter sregarding a goodly sum of money). I havelearned the hard
way how sometimes hearies will seek to take advantage of a deafie's
inability to hear so I say write to make sure we are communicating
on an equal basis. If hearies who talk and hear well have trouble listening
to each other, how muchmore so will a deafie have with ahearie. Put
it on paper I say. :=>
Anne and I will probably never agree, yet the funny thing is, I am
not anti-mainstreaming. I am against the way it is handled. I have
seen it work when used as I described it to Jay some ime back. It is
this drag the "defects" out and lump into the mainstream ( and consequently
, watch most of them drown) philosophy that I abhor so much.
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Internet: James.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.orgJulie.More@p2.f223.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Julie More) (03/12/91)
Index Number: 13859 [This is from the Silent Talk Conference] In a message of <20 Feb 91 06:44:06>, James Womack (1:300/14) writes: >Anne and I will probably never agree, yet the funny thing is, I am not >anti-mainstreaming. I am against the way it is handled. I have seen it >work when used as I described it to Jay some ime back. It is this drag >the "defects" out and lump into the mainstream ( and consequently >, watch most of them drown) philosophy that I abhor so much. I don't have a child with hearing problem, my son has cerebral palsy along with other problems like cataracts, etc. I felt I had to comment on your message about mainstreaming, since over the years we had this problem with Rob too. I found that mainstreaming depends on the child. It also depends on what the child's needs are at that perticular time. We found we had to reassess Rob every year to determine whether mainstreaming is the best for him at that point. We found mainstreaming was good for him when he was younger, but during the last year we had to move him to a special school for learning disabled kids. He is much happier there, and is learning way more than he did in his old school. We still mainstream him in after school activities. He plays hockey with his peers, is in Sunday school, and in the summer is in regular day camps. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!163!223.2!Julie.More Internet: Julie.More@p2.f223.n163.z1.fidonet.org