Jaime.Fradera@f60.n382.z1.fidonet.org (Jaime Fradera) (03/26/91)
Index Number: 14160
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
Airport security: En
refference to A Carla
Campbell's post about dogs
going through metal detectors.
But what about when they
insist on confiscating your
cane cane so they can X-ray
it? I tell them that it's
hollow and that it's not like
a piece of luggage, but I've
never persuaded them to let me
keep it. Are sighted people
asked to remove their
ear-rings or their glasses or
even their contacts? And what
about people than that have
pace-makers or metal plates
implanted surgically as a
result of some skelital
injury?
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Internet: Jaime.Fradera@f60.n382.z1.fidonet.orgTed.Filteau@f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Ted Filteau) (03/26/91)
Index Number: 14190
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
Are sighted people
JF> asked to remove their
JF> ear-rings or their glasses or
JF> even their contacts? And what
JF> about people than that have
JF> pace-makers or metal plates
JF> implanted surgically as a
JF> result of some skelital
JF> injury?
My parents have both had hip replacements, and they are given a document
stating that they have a metal implant. Hope this answers this
question.
... Ted
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Internet: Ted.Filteau@f460.n101.z1.fidonet.orgDan.Kysor@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Kysor) (03/26/91)
Index Number: 14191
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
i would think you'd be comforted by the fact that such strict
security measures are in effect. a cane is a large object and is
actually capable of being a repository for terrorist smugglers.
plastic explosives "could" be placed inside a "hollow" cane. how
many plastic explosives could be placed inside ear rings? dan...
looking at the world only from a blind persons view!
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Internet: Dan.Kysor@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.orgCarla.Campbell@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Carla Campbell) (04/05/91)
Index Number: 14641
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
JF> But what about when they
JF> insist on confiscating your
JF> cane cane so they can X-ray
JF> it?
I never let the situation arise: I voluntarily hand over anything which
might cause the sensor to beep. I then walk through the arch (it is, after
all, all of one foot-- not to terribly difficult or even awkward to do
without a cane/dog/human guide) I then repossess my X-rayed or
hand-searched items and continue on my way. Therefore, they never have to
"insist" or "confescate" anything.
JF> I tell them that it's
JF> hollow and that it's not like
JF> a piece of luggage, but I've
JF> never persuaded them to let me
JF> keep it.
I think you're missing the point of a security check, here. It is not a
matter of whether something is like luggage or like a part of your body. It
is a matter of whether it is metal and hence could easily hide a weapon
which could endanger the lives of all of the passengers on the flight!
This is not "well, I ought to be able to take it on without being searched,
because, to analagize, it's just like my eyes..." It's "there could be a
knife or explosives in this and I don't want someone to pose as a blink
just so he can be exempt from a search"!
JF> Are sighted people
JF> asked to remove their
JF> ear-rings or their glasses or
JF> even their contacts?
Yes, if they are large enough to contain metal which would set off the
sensor and might possibly contain a hidden weapon, a sighted person would
be asked to remove earrings, contacts, (??) or anything else-- or he/she
would be subjected to a hand scan/search. This is a safety issue, not a
matter of personal independence, folks!
JF> pace-makers or metal plates
JF> implanted surgically as a
JF> result of some skelital
JF> injury?
They probably have to undergo hand searches whenever they go through
security. No, it would not be fun. So what? It insures that they have a
much better chance of getting where they are going in one piece. I have
seen terrorism first hand. Have you? Have you ever seen an entire street
covered with blood and broken bodies? Ever heard a bomb go off? I have.
Trust me, it is not worth it to subject ourselves to any greater risk than
we already do. At several hundred miles up in the air, I'd just as soon
people weren't able to sneak aboard with things that make big holes in
metal. Call me weird...
<clambering off soap box>
--Carla
... Read what I mean, not what I write!
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Internet: Carla.Campbell@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.orgshafer@skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) (04/10/91)
Index Number: 14645 In article <18515@bunker.isc-br.com> Carla.Campbell@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Carla Campbell) writes: [A very sensible article about airport searches] JF> Are sighted people JF> asked to remove their JF> ear-rings or their glasses or JF> even their contacts? Yes, if they are large enough to contain metal which would set off the sensor and might possibly contain a hidden weapon, a sighted person would be asked to remove earrings, contacts, (??) or anything else-- or he/she would be subjected to a hand scan/search. This is a safety issue, not a matter of personal independence, folks! My husband, who wears bilateral leg braces is frequently patted down, in a hand-search, after the portable metal detector discovers that the braces are made of metal. At several hundred miles up in the air, I'd just as soon people weren't able to sneak aboard with things that make big holes in metal. Call me weird... The highest any passenger airliner flies is 60,000 feet, which is only about 12 miles in the air. That's the Concorde. Subsonic airliners like the 747 only go to about 40,000 feet or about 8 miles. Several hundred miles up in the air describes where the Space Shuttle is, but I don't think that you have to go through a metal detector if you're flying on it. (There are enough hoops to go through in being selected as an astronaut that they don't need anything more.) -- Mary Shafer shafer@skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov ames!skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov!shafer NASA Ames Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA Of course I don't speak for NASA "A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all"--Unknown US fighter pilot