Joe.Chamberlain@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain) (08/10/90)
Index Number: 9674 [This is from the Spinal Injury Conference] With the recent passage of the ADA bill there is going to be a push on to hire the handicapped in the next few years. Several questions come to mind: 1. For the employed, how do you feel about your job and job performance? 2. For the unemployed, what skills do you have which will be useful to an employer? 3. For the employed, do you feel you give more or less hours than those you're paid for? 4. For the unemployed, do you think you can give 40 hours of works for 40 hours of pay? 5. For the unemployed, how are you going to convince an employer you have the skills and ability to perform the job? -=joe=- -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!150!140!Joe.Chamberlain Internet: Joe.Chamberlain@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Frank.Whitney@f1000.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Frank Whitney) (08/10/90)
Index Number: 9675 [This is from the Spinal Injury Conference] > With the recent passage of the ADA bill there is going to >be a push on to hire the handicapped in the next few years. >Several questions come to mind: Joe, these questions are quite valid for both the able-bodied as well as the disabled. One thing that troubles me is that I've met during my hospital stays quite a few disabled that just don't want to work. If these individuals get hired then it's going to be more difficult for the sincere workers. Frank. -- Via Opus Msg Kit v1.01 -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!261!1000!Frank.Whitney Internet: Frank.Whitney@f1000.n261.z1.fidonet.org
Curtis.Oglesby@p13.f1.n360.z1.fidonet.org (Curtis Oglesby) (08/10/90)
Index Number: 9676 [This is from the Spinal Injury Conference] In a message to All <03 Aug 90 19:47:00> Joe Chamberlain wrote: JC> With the recent passage of the ADA bill there is going to JC> be a push on to hire the handicapped in the next few years. JC> Several questions come to mind: JC> 1. For the employed, how do you feel about your job and JC> job performance? Personally, I feel very good about my job and my job performance. What I do makes an impact and I'm recognized in my performance ratings. Accomodations have been made, though they did not happen instantly. I've had my ups and downs, but I currently have few complaints. JC> 2. For the unemployed, what skills do you have which JC> will be useful to an employer? If you don't have marketable skills, utilize whatever resources are available to get them. It won't be easy, but it can be done. JC> 3. For the employed, do you feel you give more or less JC> hours than those you're paid for? I probably give more hours than I'm paid for. But, it's by my choice. I like my job. JC> 4. For the unemployed, do you think you can give 40 JC> hours of works for 40 hours of pay? I had to start out working half-days. But my strength and stamina were nil at the time. JC> 5. For the unemployed, how are you going to convince an JC> employer you have the skills and ability to perform the job? The "skill" or "art" of selling yourself is probably one of the hardest to master. First, you must have the confidence that you can do the job; otherwise, why are you there? You must have a good understanding of what the job requires and how you would overcome any limitations you have; only you know how your particular disability affects your performance. The keyword is Confidence. Curt -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!360!1.13!Curtis.Oglesby Internet: Curtis.Oglesby@p13.f1.n360.z1.fidonet.org
Jerry.Pickup@p33.f1.n360.z1.fidonet.org (Jerry Pickup) (08/10/90)
Index Number: 9677 [This is from the Spinal Injury Conference] In a message to All <03 Aug 90 19:47:00> Joe Chamberlain wrote: JC> 1. For the employed, how do you feel about your job and JC> job performance? I like what I do (computer programmer) and enjoy my work. I work my buns off and I feel I do an excellent job. JC> 3. For the employed, do you feel you give more or less JC> hours than those you're paid for? More. I often stay a little late if I'm working on something important and I always try to be there at least 15 minutes or so before I'm supposed to. JC> 5. For the unemployed, how are you going to convince an JC> employer you have the skills and ability to perform the job? Ok, I'll cheat and answer this one too. Sometimes you aren't sure. I was fresh out of school when I got my job and was not at all certain that I would be a great programmer. I knew I liked it so I took the big chance and gave it all I had. Said lots of prayers and did alot of sweating but figured one of two things would happen. 1) I'd make it or 2) I wouldn't. There was only one way to find out. I'm glad I took the chance. -Jerry -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!360!1.33!Jerry.Pickup Internet: Jerry.Pickup@p33.f1.n360.z1.fidonet.org
Joe.Chamberlain@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain) (08/11/90)
Index Number: 9723 [This is from the Spinal Injury Conference] FW> as the disabled. One thing that troubles me is that I've met during FW> my hospital stays quite a few disabled that just don't want to work. FW> If these individuals get hired then it's going to be more difficult FW> for the sincere workers. This has always been a problem. However, with the ADA I believe there will be a push by some of these individuals DEMANDING their right to employment. On the other hand, the good worker will win out in the end. -=joe=- -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!150!140!Joe.Chamberlain Internet: Joe.Chamberlain@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Joe.Chamberlain@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain) (08/11/90)
Index Number: 9725 BK> Joe, I read your post about employment, and even though I'm employed, BK> I'm definitely underemployed. At this point I'm not really sure where BK> to proceed. I'm in connection with my local rehab now, but don't know Start by developing a good resume. Then read the want ads daily. Send you resume to those places you want a job. Figure you will be turned down at least 99 times before finding a job. DO NOT take the rejections personally. Just keep plugging away. -=joe=- -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!150!140!Joe.Chamberlain Internet: Joe.Chamberlain@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Jerry.Pickup@p33.f1.n360.z1.fidonet.org (Jerry Pickup) (08/14/90)
Index Number: 9807 [This is from the Spinal Injury Conference] In a message to Frank Whitney <07 Aug 90 9:24:00> Joe Chamberlain wrote: > FW> as the disabled. One thing that troubles me is that I've met during > FW> my hospital stays quite a few disabled that just don't want to work. JC> This has always been a problem. However, with the ADA I JC> believe there will be a push by some of these individuals JC> DEMANDING their right to employment. On the other hand, the good Disabled people are individuals like anyone else and some are good some are bad and some don't care. I'm glad ADA passed, but I can see where there is potential for abuse. Just like laws concerning hiring blacks, women, gays, etc. I have always been in favor of hiring the best one for the job no matter. -Jerry -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!360!1.33!Jerry.Pickup Internet: Jerry.Pickup@p33.f1.n360.z1.fidonet.org
Joe.Chamberlain@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain) (08/14/90)
Index Number: 9809 [This is from the Spinal Injury Conference] JP> I have always been in favor of hiring the JP> best one for the job no matter. I saw a nice statement the other day. Should you hire a person with a disability? No! Hire the person who can do the job, if they are disabled and can do the job, then they have an ability. -=joe=- -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!150!140!Joe.Chamberlain Internet: Joe.Chamberlain@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Bill.Koppelmann@f666.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Koppelmann) (08/14/90)
Index Number: 9827 Well Joe, good advice, however, as it's hard for me to read the paper, your advice is a bit challenging to me. However, I'd be interested in your input on a controversial topic for the blind concerning employment. There are those who say that a blind person should let a possible employer know about his disability in either the cover letter or the resume. What does your gut feeling say to you about that? bk. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!104!666!Bill.Koppelmann Internet: Bill.Koppelmann@f666.n104.z1.fidonet.org
Joe.Chamberlain@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain) (08/14/90)
Index Number: 9836 GZ> Like you, I'm a bit confused...perhaps I should say, reticent,. I'm GZ> working with VR trying to get full-time employment. Also, I'm GZ> concerned about them trying to force me into an "under-employment" GZ> situation just so they can add another notch to their "success story GZ> tab." Take the interview and job, but continue to seek better. An employer is more inclined to hire an already employed disabled individual who wants to move up than one who is underemployed and in his perception untested in the workplace. -=joe=- -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!150!140!Joe.Chamberlain Internet: Joe.Chamberlain@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org
pjr@murdu.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Peter Rayner) (08/17/90)
Index Number: 9857 In article <13509@bunker.UUCP> Bill.Koppelmann@f666.n104.z1.fidonet.org writes: >Index Number: 9827 > There are those who say that a blind person >should let a possible employer know about his disability in either >the cover letter or the resume. What does your gut feeling say to >you about that? >bk. Ok, I'm in the middle of applying for jobs at the moment. I am totally blind and fairly early in an academic career. This means that, despite the fact that my professional group is small I am unlikely to be individually known. I have taken two steps to deal with this problem. Firstly I have included the information that I am blind in a letter, preferably to the person who will be conducting the interview. Secondly I have brought the two most important tools I use when meeting them (it's rarely a formal interview, academic jobs don't seem to go like that). So I show them the PC and I show them stereocopier output to indicate that graphics is manageable. Then I deliberately try to deemphasize the issue. Lastly I will prompt my referees to comment on the extent to which they have interacted differently with me than with other employees/students. I realize this is the upfront strategy and not the high moral ground. I should perhaps just stand on my academic record which is adequate. Any employer though deserves to know how I will do the job. There are other reasons too, particularly in an interview. Their reaction to all this stuff seems a good predictor of how much they will make an issue of my blindness in the future. If they're any good they will say something like "hey wow, that's neat stuff now about that paper you wrote ..." and that will be the end of it. Now does the strategy work: Can't tell. Have missed one job so far but that was to one of the most saught-after places on the planet. We'll see. Hope this helps Peter Rayner
Joe.Chamberlain@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain) (08/17/90)
Index Number: 9868 CB> Do you think the provisions of Title One of the ADA will be of any CB> help in getting good jobs ? When President Bush signed the American's with Disabilities Act into law the hopes and expectations of the handicapped became a reality. Many qualified disabled individuals are now seeking employment. According to a Harris Poll study in 1987 disabled workers are superior or comparable to non-disabled in such areas as reliability, productivity, attendance, and willingness to work hard. How does the employer go about finding appropriate employees for your operation? Many states and counties maintain job banks of handicapped individual who are looking for employment and their skills. What benefits can the employer expect? There are special tax credits for hiring many disabled individuals. Some state agencies will pick up part of the expense involved in accomodating special employees and the remainder of the expense is tax deductible. It's good business to hire the handicapped. Remember that the employer is hiring an ability not a disability. Placing the right person in the right job is always the goals of a good employer in any size office. Will the applicant with a disability need extra training for the job? Accomodations are usually not expensive. A DuPont scientist with progressive MS was accomodated by varying his work hours and installing a small ramp. Some companies have guidelines which specify work sharing and alternative arrangements, flex time, two part time people sharing one full time job. They are designed to increase participation of people who cannot work 40 hours/week in the work force. The handicapped have shown that that they can accomplish tough tasks in their personal lives. They are the kind of go getters that are needed in business. The business community has in thier hands the key to the success of this ADA and they can unlock the splendid resource of untapped human potential that will enrich us all The handicapped has in their the key to success of this bill too. They need to enter the work force as dedicated, loyal employees who will bust their buns for the business, for themselves, and the entire handicapped community. -=joe=- -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!150!140!Joe.Chamberlain Internet: Joe.Chamberlain@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Kevin.White@f120.n138.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin White) (08/23/90)
Index Number: 9942 I hope this isnt a restricted area, my cousin is disabled mentally and physically, he's about 10 now, and about the only legible thing he can say is Cookie, he's very short for his age too, or I'm too tall. :-) Here in Washington there are ads for Disabled physically and also from drug abuse, they seem to, and I dont want to sound harsh, get paid more than a "normal" person would but I know that even disabled people are normal, they just have differet ways of doing things or ways that are harder to do things than the rest of society, I'm a caring loving person so please dont assume that I'm saying bad things, i care very much for my little cousin. Thanks for your time! P.S. There once was a "disabled" person who was my age and advertised she wanted someone caring and could live with her small as she called it disabilities, I desperately wanted to meet her and get to know her better, but I was with someone that only lasted a month who was a former drug abuser and I dont know if she still was every once in a while, what should I do? Put an ad in there asking for her, but I dont want to make her feel worse by asking for "the disabled girl who wrote an ad in here a month ago".. thanks. Love to all, Kevin -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!138!120!Kevin.White Internet: Kevin.White@f120.n138.z1.fidonet.org
Joe.Chamberlain@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain) (08/25/90)
Index Number: 9972 KW> P.S. There once was a "disabled" person who was my age KW> and advertised she wanted someone caring and could live with KW> her small as she called it disabilities, I desperately wanted KW> to meet her and get to know her better, but I was with someone KW> that only lasted a month who was a former drug abuser and If you're looking to live with a handicapped individual then you need only to read the want ad section of your newspaper. A young man on the Spinal Injury echo was just looking for attendent. He found one. I'm going to be looking for attendent in the next few weeks. There are always someone looking for help. If you want further information call me at 1-302-323-1790. -=joe=- -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!150!140!Joe.Chamberlain Internet: Joe.Chamberlain@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org
era@ncar.ucar.edu (Ed Arnold) (08/28/90)
Index Number: 9991 In article <13651@bunker.UUCP> Kevin.White@f120.n138.z1.fidonet.org writes: >Index Number: 9942 > >I hope this isnt a restricted area, my cousin is disabled >mentally and physically, he's about 10 now, and about the only >legible thing he can say is Cookie, he's very short for his age too, >or I'm too tall. :-) You're right, it's a restricted area. A platoon of U.S. Marines is on the way to your house right now. :-) >Here in Washington there are ads for Disabled physically >and also from drug abuse, they seem to, and I dont want to sound >harsh, get paid more than a "normal" person would but I know >that even disabled people are normal, they just have differet Let's get this straight, Kevin. None of the persons with moderate disabilities I know, are driving BMWs (or any car, for that matter), or drinking Perrier. As for the severely disabled ... have you ever seen a spastic quad who didn't get physical therapy when he was a teenager, and is now wrapped up into a ball? So what's your point?? I've heard enough crap from Ronnie Ray-guns about welfare chiselers, to last a lifetime. >P.S. There once was a "disabled" person who was my age >and advertised she wanted someone caring and could live with >her small as she called it disabilities, I desperately wanted >to meet her and get to know her better, but I was with someone >that only lasted a month who was a former drug abuser and >I dont know if she still was every once in a while, what should >I do? Put an ad in there asking for her, but I dont want to make >her feel worse by asking for "the disabled girl who wrote an ad >in here a month ago".. Could it have been *your* loss, not *hers*? >Love to all, Don't take this as a flame, Kevin. You might even be a very nice person. But Gloria Steinem said something 20 years ago to the effect of "Don't patronize me". It's still good advice. -- Ed Arnold * NCAR * POB 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 * 303-497-1253(voice) 303-497-1137(fax) * era@ncar.ucar.edu [128.117.64.4] * era@ncario.BITNET era@ncar.UUCP * Edward.Arnold@f809.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
cas@mtdcb.att.com (Clifford A Stevens, Jr) (09/04/90)
Index Number: 10051 In article <13707@bunker.UUCP>, era@ncar.ucar.edu (Ed Arnold) writes: > Index Number: 9991 > In article <13651@bunker.UUCP> Kevin.White@f120.n138.z1.fidonet.org writes: > >Index Number: 9942 > None of the persons with moderate disabilities I know, are driving BMWs > (or any car, for that matter), or drinking Perrier. Ed, No sarcasm intended, I'm just curious. But how do you define severe and moderate disabilities? ------------ Militant Survivor! Cliff Stevens MT1E228 att!cbnewsj!ncas (908)671-7292
Bill.Mccullen@f230.n231.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Mccullen) (09/05/90)
Index Number: 10105 I agree with your post, but take exception to one word, that being handicapped. I have a disability that makes it impossible to do physical labor. This is not a handicap as it does not get me down. I too have had problems getting employment. Even with VA vocrehab sending me to college, the job prospect aren't that great. One think to remember: We are abled in various areas, disable in only a few. We make excellent employees, dedicated and more loyal than most. Have a good positive image of yourselves and you can accomplish your goals. I started my own business because of my unemployability due to the disability I have. It isn't going at full speed but I am learning from my mistakes and eventually, this business will succeed.... -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!231!230!Bill.Mccullen Internet: Bill.Mccullen@f230.n231.z1.fidonet.org
era@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Ed Arnold) (09/14/90)
Index Number: 10354 In article <13791@bunker.UUCP> cas@mtdcb.att.com (Clifford A Stevens, Jr) writes: |Index Number: 10051 | |In article <13707@bunker.UUCP>, era@ncar.ucar.edu (Ed Arnold) writes: |> Index Number: 9991 |> In article <13651@bunker.UUCP> Kevin.White@f120.n138.z1.fidonet.org writes: |> >Index Number: 9942 |> None of the persons with moderate disabilities I know, are driving BMWs |> (or any car, for that matter), or drinking Perrier. | |Ed, |No sarcasm intended, I'm just curious. But how do you define severe and |moderate disabilities? Well, I'm no clinician. But then, you're no Dan Quayle. :-) To me, "profound" means a case in which the brain stem is working, but the cortex isn't. "severe" means a case in which the person has no mobility, including no ability to self-feed. Everything else is moderate or mild. I hope all the blinks and HIs don't jump on me for this definition. :-) Cheers, -- Ed Arnold * NCAR * POB 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 * 303-497-1253(voice) 303-497-1137(fax) * era@ncar.ucar.edu [128.117.64.4] * era@ncario.BITNET era@ncar.UUCP * Edward.Arnold@f809.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Mark.Lang@f10.n130.z1.fidonet.org (Mark Lang) (10/09/90)
Index Number: 10978 The President's Committee on employment for persons with disabilities will hold its annual conference in Dallas, Texas on the weekend of May 22-24, 1991 at the Loew's Anatole. This is only the third time that this conference has been held outside of the Washington D.C. area. The conference is open to the public, and the focus this year will be on the ADA. If you would like additional information, please contact me at (817) 860-9708. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!130!10!Mark.Lang Internet: Mark.Lang@f10.n130.z1.fidonet.org
Bill.Baughn@f10.n130.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Baughn) (02/27/91)
Index Number: 13696 ITSA, an Arizona based nonprofit corporation was formed to offer competetive employment for disabled Americans using computers in their homes. Business services include bookkeeping, income taxes, data entry, word processing, computer aided design, drafting, medical transcription, graphics, etc. Individuals who work through ITSA need their own IBM compatible Computer, 24 pin printer, modem and software. The corporation plans to provide high-tech business solutions that will be processed by home based disabled employees. Executive Director Bob Whetstone would like to know if there is any national interest in the program and if anyone has had any problems doing this type of work on a individual basis. In addition, he would like to hear of any program that is similar to ITSA Write to Bob Whetstone, ITSA, 416 N. Williams street, Suite A, Mesa, AZ 85203 -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!130!10!Bill.Baughn Internet: Bill.Baughn@f10.n130.z1.fidonet.org
madams@ecst.csuchico.edu (Michael E. Adams) (03/07/91)
Index Number: 13835 In article <17848@bunker.UUCP> you write: >Index Number: 13696 > > ITSA, an Arizona based nonprofit corporation was formed to offer >competitive employment for disabled Americans using computers in their >homes. > Executive Director Bob Whetstone would like to know if there is any >national interest in the program and if anyone has had any problems doing >this type of work on a individual basis. >Write to Bob Whetstone, ITSA, 416 N. Williams st., Suite A, Mesa,AZ 85203 [Note from Bill Mcgarry: I don't know of any e-mail address for Bob. Anyone else?] Bill: Can you find out if Bob has an e-mail path? Did he intend to go national with his request for information? I would love to share my success, and failure, with running a home based computer programming business. I often think about how many disabled computer users their must in cubbyholes, here and there, around the country. What a wasted resource. If the business community could just learn how to tap in, we could all benefit. (___) | Michael E. Adams (o o) | Custom Computer Programming /-------\ / | P.O. Box 5027 / | ||O | Chico, California 95927-5025 U.S.A. * ||,---|| | ~~ ~~ | internet: madams@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu No BULL bandwidth |
madams@ecst.csuchico.edu (Michael E. Adams) (03/14/91)
Index Number: 13900 > What I'd like to see get organized is some central clearing > house operated specifically for and by the physically disabled > that would offer up jobs to a pool of > programmers/technicians/designers. Jobs could be done via > telecommuting or on-site. It seems to me that "telecommuters" would be a great niche for a recruiter to get involved with. Finding well qualified and eager candidates, for computing jobs, within the dissabled community is as easy as falling off a log. Finding employers willing to take a small risk and hire someone sight-un-seen is not so easy. Soon the new ADA law will have an impact on the hiring practices of ALL business in America. A smart recruiter, working on the internet, could practically "corner the market" on telecommuting professionals. Job development is what we really need. Smooth talking salesmen (and women) who are able to contact serious employers and show them that there is an alternative workforce in place, and looking for the opportunity to be useful. I wish I could do a better job of it for myself. But then if I was qualified/capable of going around knocking on doors & talking to people face-to-face, I would not be trying so hard to make a carrer based on telecommuting. What do you think? (___) | Michael E. Adams (o o) | Custom Computer Programming /-------\ / | P.O. Box 5027 / | ||O | Chico, California 95927-5025 U.S.A. * ||,---|| | ~~ ~~ | internet: madams@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu No BULL bandwidth |
Joe.Chamberlain@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain) (04/16/91)
Index Number: 14940 To: madams@ecst.csuchico.edu (Michael E. Adams) >> What I'd like to see get organized is some central clearing >> house operated specifically for and by the physically disabled >> that would offer up jobs to a pool of ME> Soon the new ADA law will have an impact on the hiring practices ME> of ALL business in America. A smart recruiter, working on the internet, ME> could practically "corner the market" on telecommuting professionals. LESKO already hires many handicapped. They have an 800 number. Internet has a JOBS echo where you will find just the recuriter you seek. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!150!140!Joe.Chamberlain Internet: Joe.Chamberlain@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org