Greg.See-Kee@f631.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Greg See-Kee) (05/25/90)
Index Number: 8504
CS> part of a message where you were saying
CS> how the people who helped you made you feel like an imposition
CS> (is that word right?) and how you decided to be independent or
CS> die trying. I would like to hear more about this.
CS> I was 17 I had a car accident which left me a C4-C5 quadriplegic,
CS> and I sure as hell would like to be
CS> independent. I just don't know where to start.
I assume that you had the usual rehabilitation tests - on you
aptitude or suitability for different jobs. What did these say?
Are you into gadgets, people or languages, or what?
Also, it helps to know what "role-models" you have seen. So if
your uncle/ father /brother etc are into whatever jobs, that
gives everyone just a little more information about what you
might see for yourself.
Another thing I'd like to know, is What do you see for yourself?
Wife, 2 kids, large house, etc?
There are some people in this conference who believe that you are
because you DECIDED to be that way. I firmly believe that the
environment makes you, and the environment also holds the key to
your future.
For example, we rarely have quadriplegics being created in car
accidents in Australia. The reason is, that all over Australia,
all passengers (even babies) must have a seat-belt on themselves
when travelling in a car.
So instead of quads, Australia now has an avalanche of
head-injured (& brain damaged) people like myself. But then
again, if it was not for Australia's laws, normally I would have
DIED. Instead, I'm now living, but with brain damage.
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Internet: Greg.See-Kee@f631.n712.z3.fidonet.orgCarlos.Steffens@f19.n367.z1.fidonet.org (Carlos Steffens) (06/04/90)
Index Number: 8595
AP> that terminology. The better question might be how do you see your
AP> disability
AP> affecting your choice of jobs? That's "reality" for you. <grin>
That's something I've been thinking about a lot. The only problem
I've had during my university experience, which is relevant to my
future work experience, is that of getting books off shelves. I
figure thasty whomever helps me at home will have to go to work
with me and help out in this and a few other regards (like emptying
the leg bag, etc.)
Another thing that also worries me is how my disability might
affect my chances of being hired and receiving promotions. That is
why I am going to Georgetown. I figure that if I graduate from
there SOMEBODY must be willing to give me a job. You know, that
name says a lot and I'm sure I'm gonna need all the help I can
get.
AP> Sounds good. Explore avenues with your OVR counselor as to what they'll
What is an OVR counselor?
AP> for, etc. Call some of the agencies down in D.C. and see what kind of
AP> Attendant Care other students are using. I know, it's a pain to have
AP> attendants, but as you say, if you want to be independent, (which is
AP> really
I would but I don't know where to call. I have to write to the
Off-Campus Housing Office for info on housing, as the on-campus
housing is limited and I can't live there with attendants as the
rooms have to be shared.
My biggest fear with attendants is having one that one night will
rape me and that he'll have AIDS. I know it sounds paranoic but if
I'm going to get AIDS I want to ast least enjoy the moment. That's
why I want all my attendants to be women. My other fear is that
they'll take everything I got and leave mer in bed, only to be
found a week later dead of dehydration, frozen or something like
that!
AP> BTW---Is Georgetown accessible? You don't want to get down there and
AP> discover
AP> you can't get to your classes. I know it's a pain, but I am just asking.
Yes, it is accessible (at least the Law School). I've spoken with
people who graduated from there, the dean's office, and a friend of
my mother's has a friend who's in a wheelchair studying her masters
over there.
AP> interdependence,
AP> not just independence. If you have an attendant to help you, you help the
AP> attendant by giving him/her a job, etc. But you probablly know all this
I hadn't thought about this. So, in reality, she/him (let's hope
it's a she so my rape fear will go away *8-) ) isn't doing me a
favor...it works both ways. Yeah, you're right!
AP> already and you're thinking who's this blink to tell me how to run my
AP> life. I
AP> ain't, I'm just throwing out ideas.
If I really thought this I wouldn't be asking for help, would I? *8-)
Thanks for your answers, they did provide helpful info.
~~CarloS~~
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Internet: Carlos.Steffens@f19.n367.z1.fidonet.orgFrank.Whitney@f1000.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Frank Whitney) (06/04/90)
Index Number: 8604 > Another thing that also worries me is how my disability might affect my >chances of being hired and receiving promotions. That is why I am going to >Georgetown. I figure that if I graduate from there SOMEBODY must be willing >to give me a job. You know, that name says a lot and I'm sure I'm gonna >need all the help I can get. True, I'd recommend that if possible you co-op that way you get valuable experience ffor the job market and you find if what your training for is what you expected. If it is then go ahead otherwise, try something else while you still can. > > My biggest fear with attendants is having one that one night will rape >me and that he'll have AIDS. I know it sounds paranoic but if I'm going to >get AIDS I want to ast least enjoy the moment. That's why I want all my >attendants to be women. My other fear is that they'll take everything I got >and leave mer in bed, only to be found a week later dead of dehydration, >frozen or something like that! True, you must be very careful with finding the proper attendant. I too have been left in a bad situation but fortunately had a good support group to help me at times. I too brefer women attendants, I tried 3 men all were gay they never harmed me but for other reasons I had to let them go. I've had mixed success with women when I didn't have good commuication. One of the gay men ripped me off but I got most everything back. He had someone return the stolen stuff the next day. I was pissed, I found out where he lived and I was ready to get some of my brothers red neck friends and start exacting my own payment but everything calmed down when everything was returned. > AP> already and you're thinking who's this blink to tell me how to run my > AP> life. I > AP> ain't, I'm just throwing out ideas. > > If I really thought this I wouldn't be asking for help, would I? *8-) >Thanks for your answers, they did provide helpful info. > > ~~CarloS~~ You can never have enough information. Interview on neutral ground NOT AT YOUR PLACE! Agencies are not always that great either. frank -- Via Opus Msg Kit v1.01 -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!261!1000!Frank.Whitney Internet: Frank.Whitney@f1000.n261.z1.fidonet.org
Ann.Parsons@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Parsons) (06/05/90)
Index Number: 8616 Hi Carlos, >" That's something I've been thinking about a lot. The only >"problem I've had during my university experience, which is >"relevant to my future work experience, is that of getting books >"off shelves. I figure thasty whomever helps me at home will have >"to go to work with me and help out in this and a few other regards >"(like emptying the leg bag, etc.) You mean you want your attendant to go with you to school? Hmmmmm. I dunnow. The problem you mention above need not occur at school? I don't think they need to be emptied that often do they? >" Another thing that also worries me is how my disability might >"affect my chances of being hired and receiving promotions. That >"is why I am going to Georgetown. I figure that if I graduate from >"there SOMEBODY must be willing to give me a job. You know, that >"name says a lot and I'm sure I'm gonna need all the help I can get. Good thought, but make as many contacts as you caN while you're there. The more people you know, the easier it's going to be to get a job. AP>> Sounds good. Explore avenues with your OVR counselor as to what they'll >" >" What is an OVR counselor? Oh, Lord, where have you been! An OVR counselor stands for Office of Vocational Rehabilitation. What do they call themselves where you live? tHEY'RE THE ONES FROM THE sTATE WHO CAN GIVE YOU FUNDING FOR COLLEGE, EQUIPMENT, ETC. They'd be your first source for information on who's gone to Georgetown and what kinds of problems they encountered. Check the Placement Office. Tell them you are interested in talking to other folks who have gone there before you and who were disabled. There may be an office for the disabled on campus. Find out. Talk to them. You may not need to pay an attendant at all during school hours. Sometimes there are students on work study programs. These students work, e.g. helping you get books, etc, and they earn money which goes toward their schooling. If The Dean's office said it was accessible, (((DOUBT IT!!!!!))) tHEY MAY NOT KNOW WHAT "ACCESSIBLE" MEANS. They may look at a building and only consider the classrooms. What about the kbathrooms? What about the elevators? Are they the old kind with the gates that you couldn't turn a motorized wheelchair around in? oN THE OTHER HAND, IF YOUR MOTHER'S FRIEND WHO'S IN A WHEELCHAIR SAYS THE PLACE IS ACCESSIBLE, THAT'S ANOTHER STORY, AS IS ANY INFO YOU'D GET FROM THE oFFICE FOR THE dISABLED ON CAMPUS. AP>> for, etc. Call some of the agencies down in D.C. and see what kind of AP>> Attendant Care other students are using. I know, it's a pain to have AP>> attendants, but as you say, if you want to be independent,... >" >" I would but I don't know where to call. I have to write to >"the Off-Campus Housing Office for info on housing, as the >"on-campus housing is limited and I can't live there with >"attendants as the rooms have to be shared. wELL, START WITH dEPARTMENT OF sOCIAL sERVICES DOWN IN d.c. tHEN CHECK PHONE BOOK. yOUR LOCAL LIBRARY SHOULD HAVE THE d.c. PHONE BOOK. cHECK TO SEE IF d.c. HAS A CENTER FOR INDEPENDENT LIVING. tHEY'D BE AN EXCELLENT SOURCE OF INFO, IF THEY'RE ON THE BALL. cHECK WITH YOUR dISABILITY gROUPDOWN THERE, E.G. SPINAL iNJURY ORGANIZATION, SPINABIFIDA, MD, MS, OR WHATEVER YOUR DISABILITY IS. aS FOR OFF-CAMPUS HOUSING, hMMMMM, YOUR REASONS FOR WANTING IT ARE VALID, BUT iF i REMEMBER RIGHTLY, gEORGETOWN ISN'T LOCATED IN THE BEST OF AREAS. yOU MAY WANT TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITIES OF GETTING A SINGLE ROOM ON CAMPUS BEFORE YOU TRY OFF. Some of the newer dormatories have accomodations in suite form, That is, a suite of rooms, say a couple of doubles and a couple of singles which are off a central livingroom. You could have an attendant in that kind of situation. It's been a while since I lived in a dorm, but with the laxness of morals and the increased feeling or non-privacy, your having an attendant, even in a male suite shouldn't be a problem. If you get one of the singles, you just close the door. wHEN YOU TRY OFF-CAMPUS HOUSING, BE SURE IT'S ACCESSIBLE! bE SURE IT'S ON A LIGHTED STREET! bE SURE IT'S NEAR BUS LINE OR WHITHIN ROLLING DISTANCE OF CAMPUS. wHAT ABOUT TRANSPORTATION? dO YOU DRIVE? >" My biggest fear with attendants is having one that one night >"will rape me and that he'll have AIDS. I know it sounds paranoic >"but if I'm going to get AIDS I want to ast least enjoy the moment. >" That's why I want all my attendants to be women. <GRIN> yOU DEVIL! bUT YOU'VE GOT A VALID POINT THERE, THOUGH i DO THINK YOU ARE OVER EXAGGERATING IT. iT IS POSSIBLE THAT THIS MAY HAPPEN TO YOU, BUT NOT PROBABLE. I may be over simplifying this part, I am not conversant with this issue. How about it frank, Zack? >"My other fear >"is that they'll take everything I got and leave mer in bed, only >"to be found a week later dead of dehydration, frozen or something >"like that! wHEN YOU LOOK FOR HOUSING, LOOK FOR A ROOM IN A BUILDING WITH OTHER STUDENTS. gO SOMEPLACE WHERE THERE'LL BE LOTS OF PEOPLE AROUND ALL THE TIME. CHOOSE GROUPY PLACES. cHOOSE OLD BUILDINGS WITH THIN WALLS! <GRIN> On the issue of interdependence, yOU NEED TO REALIZE THAT YOU CAN HELP OTHERS AT SCHOOL TOO. iF YOU NEED HELP GETTING BOOKS OFF SHELVES, MAYBE THE PERSON WHO HELPS YOU DO THAT NEEDS HELP IN A SUBJECT YOU'RE GOOD AT. iT ALL COMES OUT IN THE WASH, AS THEY SAY. <GRIN> >"Thanks for your answers, they did provide helpful info. >" >" ~~CarloS~~ wELL, IF i'VE BEEN HELPFUL THAT'S GOOD. i JUST WANT YOU TO HAVE THE BEST grad school EXPERIENCE POSSIBLE! tAKE CARE, SEE YOU ON-LINE. aNN p. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!260!204!Ann.Parsons Internet: Ann.Parsons@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org
Ann.Parsons@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Parsons) (06/05/90)
Index Number: 8617 GS>>>> I assume that you had the usual rehabilitation tests - on you GS>>>> aptitude or suitability for different jobs. What did these say? >>> >>> Didn't take any tests... >> >> Our Curmudgeon is right here. If you're in doubt as to what career >> to persue, interest testing may help. At least it'll give you a handle >" = >" On the other hand, it may not. The people who gave me the >"local rehabilitation evaluation tests said that I could not be >"trained to use a computer - in spite of the fact that they knew I >"was already using a computer... OH, nuts! Well, that just goes to show that all these tests aren't what they're cracked up to be. They can, give a general idea, but they sure as hell ought not to be used as absolutes. I am the first to say that The System is very often wrong! <grin> I heard one the other day which would freeze you, Stu. I've got a friend in Illinois, Ham radio operator, PC-expert. He has been wanting to go into programming for years. He got himself into a programming school, after the administration and the voc rehab folks promised him the manuals, the right equipment, etc, etc, etc, etc. Well, he gets there and nothing's forthcoming! No manuals, no right equipment for working on mainframes, not even any etc. <grin> Now they have told him that he can't do programming and they want him to become a PC specialist. That means that he'll be learning all the stuff he already knows for a year! He had to explain wild cards to his teacher the other dayk! My God, is there no end to the crap! I know that there are blind people who are working on mainframes using speech. How do you folks do it? Is there any info you can give me I can send to this poor guy? He's using the 5250 emulator. Thanks in advance. Take care Stu, see you on-line. Ann P. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!260!204!Ann.Parsons Internet: Ann.Parsons@f204.n260.z1.fidonet.org
Greg.See-Kee@f631.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Greg See-Kee) (06/05/90)
Index Number: 8638
CS> I've had during my university experience, which is
CS> relevant to my future work experience, is that of getting books
CS> off shelves.
Put another way, you could claim to have worked in large
organizations, and found that you don't or do mind such working
conditions (give the interviewer the reply they are seeking).
CS> to go to work with me and help out in this and a few other
CS> regards (like emptying the leg bag, etc.)
Most interviwers might not be aware of this, so don't mention
it. Like single parents, this personal problem hopefully will
not interfere with your work output.
CS> on-campus housing is limited and I can't live there with
CS> attendants as the rooms have to be shared.
Some students are very well-suited & needing "attendant-type"
work.
CS> My biggest fear with attendants is having one that one night
CS> will rape me and that he'll have AIDS. I know it sounds paranoic
CS> but if I'm going to get AIDS I want to at least enjoy the
CS> moment. That's why I want all my attendants to be women.
My fifteen years in the "Caring Industries" shows me that true,
most of the men seem to be mainly homosexual - but any fear about
aggression from these men is not true.
We have seen the occasional scare story about aggressive gay men.
But generally, the men who choose the Caring Industries are much
more sensitive than other men.
In fact, in my experience, we disabled people have much more to
fear from women than the men in the Caring Industries. So many
women are so obviously better suited to a "trade" or to
administrative jobs, but the sexism of this society has forced
them, very unwillingly, into the Caring Industries.
CS> My
CS> other fear is that they'll take everything I got and leave me in
CS> bed, only to be found a week later dead of dehydration, frozen or
CS> something like that!
A very common fear - but nothing to do with real men or real
women. Unless you have had such a very limited experience with
men, and what little you have seen has been very disappointing.
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Index Number: 8644
FW> True, you must be very careful with finding the proper
FW> attendant.
As I prepared disabled people (before my own accident) for giving
orders to attendants, I suddenly became aware of the enormity of
the task.
The professional do-gooders in the agencies still seem unaware of
the difficulties.
1) Clear communication
2) Naming EVERYTHING in "words". Not even ABs (able-bodieds)
need to do this.
3) Dealing with social taboos eg certain types of cleanliness,
and dealing with actions that ABs associate with "adult
love" or "intimacy".
4) In the morning & late evening, trying to give clear &
explicit instructions, trying to make complex plans. For
everyone, this is very difficult to to be a "boss".
5) Supervising, with good and bad feedback to the attendant.
Very difficult for everyone to do, unless they are highly
skilled senior-managers.
6) Maintaining "professional distance" between the atendant &
yourself. Usually we disabled people need such intimate &
emotional supports for our private, inner selves.
FW> I tried 3 men all were gay they never harmed me but for
FW> other reasons I had to let them go.
Now I know why the other senior staff thought I was gay! Only ny
own car accident, resulting in myself becoming disabled, stopped
me from further employment as Personal Attendant to Australia's
most high-powered quadriplegics.
FW> I've had mixed success with
FW> women when I didn't have good commuication. One of the gay men
FW> ripped me off
And the women do similar things too. The most common is "sloppy
work", especially in not cleaning where they think you will never
find out, or in using the time that they should be with you, to
do their own personal business.
In fact, the full range of office politics is usedagainst us
disabled people who personal attendants who are working for us.
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FW> Yes, I think many times those tests are complete rubbish. The only
FW> true way is to let the individual try and then let them sink or
FW> swim based on their own merits.
You haven't seen the "results" of this kind of philosophy.
Depressed, bitter disabled people, waiting to die.
When I talk to them, eventually I get a whole life history of
their attempts at self-directed rehabilitation.
In hindsight, some of them realize the mistakes they made,
because now they can see that there were alternatives at the
time.
"sink or swim based on their own merits"
is very cruel and uncaring. Hopefully, we can somehow devise
these unnecessary "trials-by-torture".
If possible, I'd like this conference to devise rational and
deliberate strategies, so that disabled people will no longer be
so deprived of alternatives.
If we can stop the emotional-masturbators, perhaps we can finally
get around to very deliberate and very definite long-term
solutions.
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Internet: Greg.See-Kee@f631.n712.z3.fidonet.orgFrank.Whitney@f1000.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Frank Whitney) (06/05/90)
Index Number: 8647 >As I prepared disabled people (before my own accident) for giving >orders to attendants, I suddenly became aware of the enormity of >the task. WOW! >The professional do-gooders in the agencies still seem unaware of >the difficulties. > 1) Clear communication This occurs everywhere. > 2) Naming EVERYTHING in "words". Not even ABs (able-bodieds) > need to do this. It does help and I give a person a written list of whats expected, we then negotiate from there. That way nothing is a surprise. > 3) Dealing with social taboos eg certain types of cleanliness, > and dealing with actions that ABs associate with "adult > love" or "intimacy". What does this mean? > 4) In the morning & late evening, trying to give clear & > explicit instructions, trying to make complex plans. For > everyone, this is very difficult to to be a "boss". People learn at least I did. I don't know bout you. > 5) Supervising, with good and bad feedback to the attendant. > Very difficult for everyone to do, unless they are highly > skilled senior-managers. I've done it for over fifteen years and I'm no senior-manager. > 6) Maintaining "professional distance" between the atendant & > yourself. Usually we disabled people need such intimate & > emotional supports for our private, inner selves. Speak for yourself. My only concern for my attendant is that she's punctual and does her job right. She does both and is compensated well for a job well done. Outside of humanitarian concern I don't care if she lives or dies as long as the job's done. > FW> I tried 3 men all were gay they never harmed me but for > FW> other reasons I had to let them go. > >Now I know why the other senior staff thought I was gay! Only ny >own car accident, resulting in myself becoming disabled, stopped >me from further employment as Personal Attendant to Australia's >most high-powered quadriplegics. Why did they think you were gay? Personal Attendant to Australia's most high-powered quadriplegics. Whose ego's being stroked now? > FW> I've had mixed success with > FW> women when I didn't have good commuication. One of the gay men > FW> ripped me off > >And the women do similar things too. The most common is "sloppy >work", especially in not cleaning where they think you will never >find out, or in using the time that they should be with you, to >do their own personal business. True, I didn't say that. I was only relating what happened to me. At present I have a person for just my morning care. I have other help for other tasks that way the problems are minimized. >In fact, the full range of office politics is usedagainst us >disabled people who personal attendants who are working for us. > This doesn't make sense but what else is new? -- Via Opus Msg Kit v1.01 -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!261!1000!Frank.Whitney Internet: Frank.Whitney@f1000.n261.z1.fidonet.org
Curtis.Oglesby@p13.f1.n360.z1.fidonet.org (Curtis Oglesby) (06/06/90)
Index Number: 8674 CS> Thanks for the input, I hope it works out that way. BTW, what CS> is an electric bag emptier? I have never heard of this before. How it works out is largely (but not entirely) in your control. There are various configurations, but the basic idea is to replace the plastic clip or valve at the outlet of the legbag with an electric-actuated valve. By activating a switch, the valve opens and the bag can drain. The power source can be a small, rechargeable battery pack or you can use the batteries of an electric wheelchair. The switch can be a reed switch (closes when a magnet is placed near it), a regular toggle switch, or any number of other switches. The major difficulty is finding a valve with large openings (for fast draining) but is light-weight and has a low power draw; it is harder to find than it sounds. I'll try to find the address of a supplier for a complete system if you're interested. It is expensive, but what isn't when it is stamped "medical?" The answer to your next question is that floor drains or full length "stall" urinals work great when indoors. > CO> Personally, benefits are more important than the salary and so I consider > CO> large companies, government agencies, and other employers with good > CO> health plans, sick time, and vacation time. A small company will likely CS> I think that what you mention should probably the main concern CS> of anyone looking for a job, not only disabled people. What you get CS> here can more than make the difference of CS> what you might not receive in salary. True, but my main point is that you and I are virtually uninsurable unless a group plan is available. The requirement for a good health care plan leaves all small- and most moderate-sized businesses out of the picture for my consideration. Take care, Curt -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!360!1.13!Curtis.Oglesby Internet: Curtis.Oglesby@p13.f1.n360.z1.fidonet.org
Carlos.Steffens@f19.n367.z1.fidonet.org (Carlos Steffens) (06/06/90)
Index Number: 8675
GS> CS> to go to work with me and help out in this and a few other
GS> CS> regards (like emptying the leg bag, etc.)
GS>
GS> Most interviwers might not be aware of this, so don't mention
GS> it. Like single parents, this personal problem hopefully will
GS> not interfere with your work output.
You are right about this, it shouldn't interfere, but the time will
come when the bag will have to be emptied. What then? It's hard
for me to ask just anyone to do this as I think that they will feel
forced to say yes when in reality they'd rather just say no.
GS> Some students are very well-suited & needing "attendant-type"
GS> work.
Joe said the same thing but how do I find these students, put a
notice on a bulletin board?
GS> My fifteen years in the "Caring Industries" shows me that true,
GS> most of the men seem to be mainly homosexual - but any fear about
GS> aggression from these men is not true.
Well, I don't want to become a victim to the exception. There was
a story in the newspaper of a guy who was in a hospital because of
a motorcycle accident and woke up in the middle of the night to
find a male nurse stroking his behind.
GS> CS> My
GS> CS> other fear is that they'll take everything I got and leave me in
GS> CS> bed, only to be found a week later dead of dehydration, frozen or
GS> CS> something like that!
GS>
GS> A very common fear - but nothing to do with real men or real
GS> women. Unless you have had such a very limited experience with
GS> men, and what little you have seen has been very disappointing.
This actually happened TWICE to a guy I met in Miami. The first
time his attendant just stole his money and TV. He was found that
same day. The second time, They stole that plus his van and he
wasn't found until two days later. This was very real!
~~CarloS~~
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Internet: Carlos.Steffens@f19.n367.z1.fidonet.orgera@ncar.ucar.edu (Ed Arnold) (06/09/90)
Index Number: 8740 In article <12220@bunker.UUCP> Frank.Whitney@f1000.n261.z1.fidonet.org quotes Greg See-Kee: |Index Number: 8647 ||Now I know why the other senior staff thought I was gay! It should be obvious to the casual observer, that the senior staff thought Greg was gay because he's so happy, excited, bright, exuberant, and lively. -- Ed Arnold era@ncar.ucar.edu [128.117.64.4] * era@ncario.bitnet * era@ncar.uucp
Bill.Burgess@f101.n229.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Burgess) (05/16/91)
Index Number: 15676
[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]
Margo, as my resource person, a guide dog user in my company once
told me when discussing the first guide gog user who got me started
with the blind, "Bill, independence requires dependence, and any
blind person who thinks they can have one without the other is
wrong". In reality, that statement applies to all, be they blind or
sighted. What I consider to be independence may differ from others,
but in each case there is a varying degree of dependence. This
statement has echoed in my mind for the past 5 years. Something to
think about. Your thoughts will be appreciated on this one. Keep
smiling. Love and hugs always, Bill
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