James.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.org (James Womack) (03/28/91)
Index Number: 14534 Humor is a cultural experience. People who share the same cultural background will more likely be inagreement on what is funny and whatis not funny. Regarding the deaf, especially children in deaf schools, hearie type jokes are not funny. Even to Deaf adults for that matter. I have watched deaf children go to a gathering hosted by deaf adults who tell "deaf" stories and these kids almost die laughing while their signing but "not deaf wise" hearing parents sit in complete bewilderment. I and other adult Deaf people have been asked to visit elementary level kids' classes to tellstories. We include "deaf joke" or jokes relevant to the deaf experience and these same kids die laughing. Yet, I once took an incredibly funny story from USA Today (wish I could share it here but it is a bit off color, so. . . .) and shared it with a fantastically intelligent Deaf lady friend of mine. She puzzled over it. So did a Deaf gentleman friend of mine. They asked me many questions about it. You see,it was a hearie joke. Not only that, the humor lay in its phonetics. When I told them what made it funny, they said, "Oh, that's cute but it something for hearing people." Thepoint is that they did not share the cultural experience that would have made it funny to them. Deaf kids are not humorless. I have seen other people refer to them and Deaf adults as well as humorless. This shows either complete lack of understanding of what humor is or a deep seated disrespect for deaf people as capable intelligent people. In all fairness, I must admit that people who make such statements mean no harm. They are just uninformed. Often, we as individuals, are utterly unaware of the social dynamics that cause of to make such disrespectful statements about other people. It just shows that Deaf people M U S T educate the public about who and what we are. Otherwise, we will just continue to be labeled interms that imply that we are somewhat less than human. A deaf motorist was in a hurry. He came to a railroad crossing. The barriers came down. he stopped and waited but no train came by.He waited some more and still no train came. He saw a main in the control booth. The deaf motorist got out and went to the booth. He wrote on a piece of paper and gave it to the main in the booth. Thepaper said, "Please BUT." Told in ASL, this story is hilarious to may culturally Deaf people. To others, especially not deaf wise hearing, it makes no sense. Why. The cultural experience necessary to make it funny is not shared. It belongs to non-hearing and ASL people, not to hearing and non-ASL users. However, it would be a great wrong to label the hearing humorless or their children humorless merely because they do not comprehend Deaf jokes. Deaf people and our children should be accorded withthe same respect. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!300!14!James.Womack Internet: James.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.org
jhall@ihlpm.att.com (John R Hall) (04/02/91)
Index Number: 14594 James Womack's telling of the "Please, but" ASL Deaf joke reminded me of something I've been curious about. Does anyone know of classes offered in "Deaf humor"? I think it would be a great idea as a way to achieve better understanding of ASL as well as have fun. I know that a local junior college in my area near work has offered a class in "American humor" with the idea (I think) being that recent immigrants to America who are learning spoken English would learn more about English- speaking American culture by learning some of its humor. I think the same would apply for Hearing people like me who are learning ASL. I've only seen one Deaf comedian/storyteller - C.J. Jones - when he came to my neighborhood in Chicago. The performance was interpreted, and there wasn't any humor of the "Please, but" joke variety that Hearing non-signers don't understand. Here's the converse problem. Translate this joke into ASL and see if anyone laughs: "What's black and white and red all over? (ans: newspaper)". --John
StEpHeN.wHiTe@p1.f853.n681.z3.fidonet.org (StEpHeN wHiTe) (04/11/91)
Index Number: 14725 [This is from the Silent Talk Conference] JW> Humor is a cultural experience. Humour is culturally independant. Culture merely provides a "database" of known things to ensure understanding of the joke. JW> Deaf kids are not humorless. I have seen other people refer to JW> them and Deaf adults as well as humorless. This shows either JW> complete lack of understanding of what humor is or a deep seated JW> disrespect for deaf people as capable intelligent people. In all JW> fairness, I must admit that people who make such statements mean JW> no harm. They are just uninformed. You seem to be missing an essential point here: _I_ am not uninformed. I just happen, by pure chance of course, to be profoundly deaf myself, and have been so from birth. Are you trying to say that I have a deep seated disrespect for myself as a capable and intelligent person? James - I think you're manipulating what you read, so you can go off into another spiel. You are showing disrespect to _me_ by using me as your soapbox. JW> A deaf motorist was in a hurry. He came to a railroad crossing. JW> The barriers came down. he stopped and waited but no train came JW> by.He waited some more and still no train came. He saw a main in JW> the control booth. The deaf motorist got out and went to the JW> booth. He wrote on a piece of paper and gave it to the main in JW> the booth. Thepaper said, "Please BUT." Doesn't mean anything to me. I don't know ASL - I know Auslan. (Incidentally, I happen to be related to the man who did the Auslan dictionary) How about a deaf joke that doesn't require any knowledge of a specific sign language? I'll tell it two ways - the way you told it, and the way that it can be understood. The way you told the joke: A man was going away on holiday to Italy. He was looking forwards to all the Italian cusine. His friends saw him off at the airport, waving farewell, adieu, and all that. Two months later, the friends went to the airport to welcome the man home. <fx: deaf people crack up laughing, Womack and Womack looks bewildered, and Steve throws accusations of not understanding deaf culture> The way to tell the joke: A man was going away on holiday to Italy. He was looking forwards to all the Italian cusine. His friends saw him off at the airport, waving farewell, adieu, and all that. <fx: hand walking along with first and second fingers, enters plane, flies off> Two months later, the friends went to the airport to welcome the man home. <fx: plane lands, hand exits, walks back on first and fourth fingers> JW> However, it would be a great wrong to label the hearing humorless JW> or their children humorless merely because they do not comprehend JW> Deaf jokes. Deaf people and our children should be accorded JW> withthe same respect. I based my observation that "deaf children at Strathmont seemed rather humourless" on the fact that I very rarely saw any of them smile or laugh. They did not make many jokes, and the jokes that they did make were of an extremely juvenile level. I'm absolutely positive that this is because of the repressive regime that the teachers laid over their students, and specifically pointed that out in my original message. I also said that deaf adults were an entirely different story altogether. I suggest that you read what I write, not what you want to read. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!3!681!853.1!StEpHeN.wHiTe Internet: StEpHeN.wHiTe@p1.f853.n681.z3.fidonet.org
Tim.Smith@f429.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Tim Smith) (05/30/91)
Index Number: 15833 [This is from the Silent Talk Conference] Hey dude.. I am flexible.. I know, it's hard to believe, but I AM flexible... You see, I just want the BEST for the deaf! Let them be themselves! What bothers me, is the fact that the deaf are being constantly opressed as an "inferior" population... Getting no respect for their language... I feel very strongly about this- so that's why I might sound in-flexible... I am willing to compromise.. But I'm not willing to give up my stand. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!275!429!Tim.Smith Internet: Tim.Smith@f429.n275.z1.fidonet.org